Pat Buchanan: Black Americans should be grateful we brought them over on slave ships!

[Heracles 417]

Huh?

Was that yet another tangent?

Is this the tangent you are talking about

"NO NO NO"

[HAL 9000 96]

Huh?

Was that yet another tangent?

Is this the tangent you are talking about

"NO NO NO"

Sure, and we can eliminate about 30 pages of Boo-Yah! tangents in the process.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

He already stated that the land was lost by these victims and "too bad for them."

Besides, from the little reading I do have of Australian history, there have been far better protections afforded to them as an ethnicity and land entitlements legally than there have been accomodations made for the people in this country that have stood where they stand as a result of the fallout from the slave and post-slave era. Reconstruction included.

It looks like you pick and choose your historical events. Anything about someone black is approved while anything about white hardship is BS, right?

Its about weighing the gravity of certain situations over others. Noone will deny (outside of extremist nutters) for instance that both the Holocaust and the ethnic cleansing in Bosnia were terrible events - but you can't claim in terms of the death toll that both were equivalent. However you slice it - 6,000,000 is a bigger tragedy than 100,000.

He already stated that the land was lost by these victims and "too bad for them."

Besides, from the little reading I do have of Australian history, there have been far better protections afforded to them as an ethnicity and land entitlements legally than there have been accomodations made for the people in this country that have stood where they stand as a result of the fallout from the slave and post-slave era. Reconstruction included.

It looks like you pick and choose your historical events. Anything about someone black is approved while anything about white hardship is BS, right?

No, what I am picking and choosing is to stay on topic in this thread. I mean... the title of the thread is

Pat Buchanan: Black Americans should be grateful we brought them over on slave ships!

Not:

Boo-Yah's inability to stay on one idea.

He wasn't on topic to begin with. If you go back to the start of the thread you will see that BY did not once make reference to Pat Buchanan or his statements.

Edited March 26, 2008 by Number 6

[HAL 9000 96]

He already stated that the land was lost by these victims and "too bad for them."

Besides, from the little reading I do have of Australian history, there have been far better protections afforded to them as an ethnicity and land entitlements legally than there have been accomodations made for the people in this country that have stood where they stand as a result of the fallout from the slave and post-slave era. Reconstruction included.

It looks like you pick and choose your historical events. Anything about someone black is approved while anything about white hardship is BS, right?

Its about weighing the gravity of certain situations over others. Noone will deny (outside of extremist nutters) for instance that both the Holocaust and the ethnic cleansing in Bosnia were terrible events - but you can't claim in terms of the death toll that both were equally bad. However you slice it - 6,000,000 is a bigger tragedy than 100,000.

Extremely true, 6. Even though injustice is injustice... in that sense, we should all be on the same page looking for ways to fight it and teach others that an injustice against one is an injustice against all.

[Heracles 417]

Its about weighing the gravity of certain situations over others. Noone will deny (outside of extremist nutters) for instance that both the Holocaust and the ethnic cleansing in Bosnia were terrible events - but you can't claim in terms of the death toll that both were equally bad. However you slice it - 6,000,000 is a bigger tragedy than 100,000.

6,000,000 where what. Slaves?

6,000,000 Jews where "exterminated" yet I don't see them using this as a justification. Quite the contrary actually.

Edit: I also cannot remember the last Jewish drive-by in Germany.

Edited March 26, 2008 by Boo-Yah!

[HAL 9000 96]

He already stated that the land was lost by these victims and "too bad for them."

Besides, from the little reading I do have of Australian history, there have been far better protections afforded to them as an ethnicity and land entitlements legally than there have been accomodations made for the people in this country that have stood where they stand as a result of the fallout from the slave and post-slave era. Reconstruction included.

It looks like you pick and choose your historical events. Anything about someone black is approved while anything about white hardship is BS, right?

Its about weighing the gravity of certain situations over others. Noone will deny (outside of extremist nutters) for instance that both the Holocaust and the ethnic cleansing in Bosnia were terrible events - but you can't claim in terms of the death toll that both were equivalent. However you slice it - 6,000,000 is a bigger tragedy than 100,000.

He already stated that the land was lost by these victims and "too bad for them."

Besides, from the little reading I do have of Australian history, there have been far better protections afforded to them as an ethnicity and land entitlements legally than there have been accomodations made for the people in this country that have stood where they stand as a result of the fallout from the slave and post-slave era. Reconstruction included.

It looks like you pick and choose your historical events. Anything about someone black is approved while anything about white hardship is BS, right?

No, what I am picking and choosing is to stay on topic in this thread. I mean... the title of the thread is

Pat Buchanan: Black Americans should be grateful we brought them over on slave ships!

Not:

Boo-Yah's inability to stay on one idea.

He wasn't on topic to begin with. If you go back to the start of the thread you will see that BY did not once make reference to Pat Buchanan or his statements.

Neither did most of us. The difference is, however, the wild tangent goose chase that went from light speed to ludicrous speed and is about to go plaid...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

He already stated that the land was lost by these victims and "too bad for them."

Besides, from the little reading I do have of Australian history, there have been far better protections afforded to them as an ethnicity and land entitlements legally than there have been accomodations made for the people in this country that have stood where they stand as a result of the fallout from the slave and post-slave era. Reconstruction included.

It looks like you pick and choose your historical events. Anything about someone black is approved while anything about white hardship is BS, right?

Its about weighing the gravity of certain situations over others. Noone will deny (outside of extremist nutters) for instance that both the Holocaust and the ethnic cleansing in Bosnia were terrible events - but you can't claim in terms of the death toll that both were equally bad. However you slice it - 6,000,000 is a bigger tragedy than 100,000.

Extremely true, 6. Even though injustice is injustice... in that sense, we should all be on the same page looking for ways to fight it and teach others that an injustice against one is an injustice against all.

So he finds one article on White slavery and presents it as something new and shocking. Here's the Monmouth Rebellion for nothing.

So I say.... So what?.

Is the argument now going to be about equivalency?

This just gets more and more delusional.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Its about weighing the gravity of certain situations over others. Noone will deny (outside of extremist nutters) for instance that both the Holocaust and the ethnic cleansing in Bosnia were terrible events - but you can't claim in terms of the death toll that both were equally bad. However you slice it - 6,000,000 is a bigger tragedy than 100,000.

6,000,000 where what. Slaves?

6,000,000 Jews where "exterminated" yet I don't see them using this as a justification. Quite the contrary actually.

Edit: I also cannot remember the last Jewish drive-by in Germany.

Whoah there bucko - that's not my point. I'm (still) addressing the article you posted on white slavery and your apparent suggestion that evidence of white slaves should stand by itself to speak to an equivalent tragedy and historical/social legacy. Many problems with that rationale. As I've said.

But if you want to get into it - the Holocaust did bring about the State of Israel. And yes - there are Jewish militant/extremist groups within that country. Different problems - but certainly there is resentment in the Jewish community.

Edited March 26, 2008 by Number 6

[Heracles 417]

So he finds one article on White slavery and presents it as something new and shocking. Here's the Monmouth Rebellion for nothing.

So I say.... So what?.

Is the argument now going to be about equivalency?

This just gets more and more delusional.

ah of course. So slavery under the ottoman empire does not count. The extermination of Jews also does not compare with having two separate water fountains. White slavery is also water under a bridge. My experiences or anyone I have spoken to does not count. Have I left anything out??

Basically as LuckyStrike put it, slavery is bad unless you're Jewish or White.

I think you guys need to come down to use the latest GE MRI machine. Free of charge..

Edited March 26, 2008 by Boo-Yah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

So he finds one article on White slavery and presents it as something new and shocking. Here's the Monmouth Rebellion for nothing.

So I say.... So what?.

Is the argument now going to be about equivalency?

This just gets more and more delusional.

ah of course. So slavery under the ottoman empire does not count. The extermination of Jews also does not compare with having two separate water fountains. White slavery is also water under a bridge. My experiences or anyone I have spoken to does not count. Have I left anything out??

Basically as LuckyStrike put it, slavery is bad unless you're Jewish or White.

I think you guys need to come down to use the latest GE MRI machine. Free of charge..

I never said it "didn't count". I'm just disputing the suggestion that through a single posted article that you can establish a rationale that the enslavement of whites in the US is somehow an equivalent tragedy to the enslavement of blacks in the US.

All slavery is deplorable, but there is a legitimate question of "degree" which you are apparently ignoring.

[Peikko 1,575]

Clearly, African Americans should shut up and pull themselves up by their boot straps. The reason that more of them haven't done so already is an indication that they are of inferior genetic material. The evidence for this line of reasoning is:

1) The % of African Americans that are in jail is far greater than the % of Other Americans in jail so clearly they are predisposed to criminal tendancies.

2) African American's failed to free themselves from slavery in the beginning. They could easily have said 'no' to being slaves or returned to their homeland. That they did not shows again their inferiority. After all, what sensible person would have stood for this treatment?

3) African American's today rely on the 'race card' to get anything they want. If they don't get something, they'll complain long and loud until they do get it by making Other Americans feel guilty about what happened to them in the past.

4) African American's like living in ghettos because they have a sense of identity with like people, can threaten non African Americans who 'enter' their territory and can indulge in the 'gang' culture that they are so fond of.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Yep - pretty evil reasoning.

[Peikko 1,575]

Did I miss anything?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Did I miss anything?

The anecdotal "when I was on holiday" and "look at the audience reaction in this video" to define "the black community"

[DeadPoolX 9]

But if you want to get into it - the Holocaust did bring about the State of Israel. And yes - there are Jewish militant/extremist groups within that country. Different problems - but certainly there is resentment in the Jewish community.

While I can't speak for Israeli Jews (I've never lived there, so I don't know what it'd be like as an Israeli), I do know that for most American Jews, the overall resentment towards the Germans -- who I assume you were speaking about before -- has faded with time and each successive generation.

It stands to reason that I'd be far more "fair-minded" towards Germans than my grandfather -- I never got drafted into WWII and fought against those very same people, nor did I find out my contemporaries were being exterminated. Those types of events can shape and/or change a person.