Pat Buchanan: Black Americans should be grateful we brought them over on slave ships!

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And my 6 investment properties in the UK are worth 12 Mill USD, your point? Oh, that you live in a fantasy world where you can make retarded statements based on racial stereotypes and get applauded. Nice try, but, impressed? Not one bit.

Relax. Like I am trying to impress you or anyone else here.

Time to go now. Enough fun for the month..

Edited March 26, 2008 by Boo-Yah!

[Peikko 1,575]

Relax? What makes you think I am not relaxed? Oh yes, the reverse spin insult by which one can imply something without actually saying it. I think you have been watching Barack too closely.

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On Sudanese immigrants: someone must not have told Kevin Andrews (former Immigration Minister under the John Howard Govt) who got himself into some hot water with comments he made about the African immigrant community last year...

Well, there's lots of evidence about this. I receive through my department community reports on a regular basis, and those reports over this year have included a number of incidents around race-based gangs, altercations between various groups from Africa, disagreements amongst prominent African community organisations, tensions within families, et cetera, et cetera.

If you look in terms of race-based gangs, that's quite evident. Here in Melbourne, that's quite evident. Altercations between various African groups at community functions, at nightclubs et cetera, and remember, this is not seeking to demonise the people, it's actually seeking to put better services in and slow down the rate of intake so we can help them.

Some groups don't seem to be settling and adjusting into the Australian way of life as quickly as we would hope.[

sound familiar?

What about this?

Not to draw too much from these comments, because Andrews didn't deign to back up his comments with any sort of proof (hmmm sounds familiar doesn't it... ) The conflict in Sudan has much to do with tribal factions, rather than slavery and emancipation under Australian whites. There's also a question of time - the Sudanese immigrants have not been living in Australia for very long, certainly not long enough to facilitate the sort of race/class divide seen in the US. In that respect I'd say the aborigines are the better analogy, seeing as they have been living in the country from its inception - and there are indeed significant social disparities between aboriginal communities and the rest of Australia.

But then again BY should know more about this than anyone - seeing as he's from Australia and all...

Ohhhhhh even more!!!

Stop it stop it!!

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

as any fule know australia's housing market has been crashing (just like in good old CA) so BY best move back and cash out his millions will he still can

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Well since you want to blame the whiteys in your mind for everything under the sun, it might be worthwhile to also know a little bit of Sudanese history, to fancy your tangent: Sudan was a British colony.

Perhaps you need to be reminded of scientific reasoning as well, but then again its yet another thing for the likes of yourself to be reminded of and frankly if you can't handle #1 on the list how can you be expected to deal with 2,3,4, etc? lol

Honey, I am an engineer and have a masters in economics; so someone like yourself is not going to teach me about science. Maybe your little brain simply cannot comprehend what I am saying. On the other hand do you actually expect me to sit here and lay out my views, in detail, for you to understand. Not going to happen and certainly not for you. Then again maybe you need something written out on a 3rd grade level.

PS So England is now to blame for Sudan. Yep of course. They are white..

So I guess a Masters in Science and a soon to be PhD in Science is no match for your powerful engineering and economics degrees...

Then again, an advanced degree is never enough to cover what natural selection did not fix in your apparent reaching for *tangential* straws.

You brought up the tangent, you deal with it, wall.

Wow, a clairvoyant!

Come on now, you can't mention your supposed wealth like that and figure people won't think you're a smug bunghole.

Your killing with the big words. No speaka ingleze.

clairvoyant, i think means chopf#3k, i could be wrong ..i don't speak aussie

Is there some kind of Fosters commercial marketable out of this??

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Not to draw too much from these comments, because Andrews didn't deign to back up his comments with any sort of proof (hmmm sounds familiar doesn't it... ) The conflict in Sudan has much to do with tribal factions, rather than slavery and emancipation under Australian whites. There's also a question of time - the Sudanese immigrants have not been living in Australia for very long, certainly not long enough to facilitate the sort of race/class divide seen in the US. In that respect I'd say the aborigines are the better analogy, seeing as they have been living in the country from its inception - and there are indeed significant social disparities between aboriginal communities and the rest of Australia.

But then again BY should know more about this than anyone - seeing as he's from Australia and all...

Um. The aborigines have been separate from Africans for about 10,000 years now. Unlike the 4 to 6 generations here. Culturally they are not similar to Africans or black Americans. I think it is you who is being racist and bring them into the equation solely because of the color of their skin.

PS My cousin in actually married to an aboriginal women.

Well you're the one bringing Australia into the argument in relation to different immigrant or minority groups.

All I'm saying here is that comparing one immigrant group that has established itself into society over a couple of hundred years amid considerable social oppression by a dominant group - with a completely new immigrant group probably isn't the best comparison. I should also point out that if you're suggesting here that there are cultural similarities between the Sudanese and African Americans - you're probably in for a shock.

As far as minorities go - the Aborigines probably give you a better indication of social disparities relating to minority groups over a significant period of time. But as you say, the cultures are different... So then I'm wondering why you brought Australia into the argument at all... The logic here seems a tad fuzzy.

In any case - let me get this clear - you're saying there are no social differences (specifically in relation to health, crime, education) between aboriginal communities and the rest of Australia?

Edited March 26, 2008 by Number 6

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Lets all have a Fosters...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Lets all have a Fosters...

I need to turn my chicken on the barbie.

I think Neighbours is on in a bit too.

And my postman looks like Crocodile Dundee.

[Peikko 1,575]

I used to like watching Home and Away, and Neighbours in its hay day,

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Boo-yah, although your views are quite controversial to say the least, for the most part you've remain civil, which is commendable. I think it's beneficial that can have discussions like this and still remain civil. You shouldn't feel that everyone here is ganging up on you...but recognize that your views are not shared by most people. I'm sure this isn't the first time where you found your views scrutinized by so many.

[HAL 9000 96]

Lets all have a Fosters...

I need to turn my chicken on the barbie.

I think Neighbours is on in a bit too.

And my postman looks like Crocodile Dundee.

And we can put some Silverchair (the older tunes) along with Natalie Imbruglia for the barbies... LOL... and the old timers can handle all the Bee-Gees they want.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Zzzzz.......

Not to my surprise, I knew this would be your response.

Okay guys. My shift is over. Now it's time for Marc to take over..

Wow, a clairvoyant!

Come on now, you can't mention your supposed wealth like that and figure people won't think you're a smug bunghole.

Or as some sort of alpha-male statement about ####### size.

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education usually equals being somewhat wealthy, so i don't believe someone who is well off would live in either would they?

Are you kidding me? Don't you know that college students are only one step away from being homeless?

Only the ones who went through four years of college and didn't pick up a single marketable skill or applicable knowledge.

They would be known as General Sciences graduates.

Basically anyone who comes out with straight C's. There's work to be had and money to be made in this country for people with a wide variety of skills. You just can't be stupid and you can't be lazy. Grades matter.

Zzzzz.......

Not to my surprise, I knew this would be your response.

Okay guys. My shift is over. Now it's time for Marc to take over..

Wow, a clairvoyant!

Come on now, you can't mention your supposed wealth like that and figure people won't think you're a smug bunghole.

Or as some sort of alpha-male statement about ####### size.

I wish I had investment properties worth millions of dollars.

Oh my, was that an awfully beta thing to say?

[Krikit 1,164]

And we can put some Silverchair (the older tunes) along with Natalie Imbruglia for the barbies... LOL... and the old timers can handle all the Bee-Gees they want.

It's just that Jive Talkin'.... so misunderstood.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Boo-yah, although your views are quite controversial to say the least, for the most part you've remain civil, which is commendable. I think it's beneficial that can have discussions like this and still remain civil. You shouldn't feel that everyone here is ganging up on you...but recognize that your views are not shared by most people. I'm sure this isn't the first time where you found your views scrutinized by so many.

Dude, you are way too fukcin nice.....