An Agent, a Green Card, and a Demand for Sex

[rebeccajo 14]

peejay, no one but no one is saying that she should automatically get a green card. We're saying that just because you've invented a bunch of details about how she must have lied to get a tourist visa and is using her American spouse (why you think this, I'm not sure.) doesn't actually count as evidence of fraud.

I didn't invent anything. I read it in the Houston Chronicle. Here are the highlights. Judge for yourself.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5637324.html

She came to the United States on a tourist visa in 2004 and overstayed. When she married an American citizen a year ago, the law allowed her to apply to "adjust" her illegal status.

She lied to get a tourist visa and overstayed. She was an illegal alien until she found a sucker to marry her.

She had another reason to be fearful, and not only for herself. About 15 months ago, she said, an acquaintance hired her and two female relatives in New York to carry $12,000 in cash to the bank. The three women, all living in the country illegally, were arrested on the street by customs officers apparently acting on a tip in a money-laundering investigation. After determining that the women had no useful information, the officers released them.

She should have been deported then, but NYC is another sancuary city for illegal aliens. What's up with this?

The young woman's ordeal is not over. Her husband overheard her speaking about it to a cousin about a month ago, and she had to tell him the whole story, she said.

"He was so mad at me, he left my house," she said, near tears. "I don't know if he's going to come back."

The green card has not come through. "I'm still hoping," she said.

Hubby dumps her, but at least she hopes to get a Green Card out of the deal. Give me a break! It doesn't sound like hubby is overwhelmed with empathy, sympathy, or compassion.

Peejay, she was not an illegal alien. She was inspected at entry so her presence in the country is not illegal. She was however, out of status. Just like the thousands of individuals who enter the country legally on a K1 but fail to file for adjustment before their I94 expires. She was an 'overstayer' and subject to the bar if she had left the country, but she was not an 'illegal alien'. 'Illegal aliens' have not been inspected by CBP at entry.

As for her marriage - it may or may not be over. But if the marriage itself was based upon a bonafide relationship, she has the right to file for adjustment just as much as anyone else in this forum.

You may be unhappy with her immigration status, but the fact is she didn't do much else differently than hundreds of other members of this forum. Other than manage to get herself arrested once, and that situation appears to have been previously resolved.

Not everybody immigrates to this country in the same way. Our laws provide for various paths. Our personal feelings about those paths are not sufficient to brand a person 'illegal'.

[panamania79 2]

I read the same story in the Houston Chronicle this morning. It is just more proof of a disfunctional immigration policy, disfunctional immigration bureaucracy, and disfunctional government in general. I wouldn't let the immigrant off without being admonished either. Overstays "tourist" visa, conveniently finds a US citizen to marry, marriage crumbles....but still hoping for that Green Card. The whole situation is FUBAR!

Nah...this is about exploiting immigrant's lack of understanding their rights and it's an abuse of power. A simple and effective way to remedy the problem is to empower those immigrants with the knowledge of their rights. Checks and balances.

Baloney! Immigrant my azz! How about a fraudulent tourist? You let this lady off way too light. According to the article, apparently she has "other relatives" in the background that pulled similar stunts or just EWI. This "oh me poor immigrant" routine is a joke and a lie.

Of course the adjudicating inspector should go to jail...but this little scammer needs to be deported too...along with her illegal relatives. This kind of ####### needs to come to a screeching halt here in the USA...from corrupt US government officials to the scamming so called "tourists" that lie and cheat their way into the USA looking for ill gotten permanent residency.

The real losers and victioms in this joke are the American people.

You never cease to amaze me.

[rebeccajo 14]

And how many of our relationships would survive BJ.

OH? So you HAD to do it??

I think that what is interesting is that on this site we have many people wanting the system to ......accomodate them. Cut them some slack simply because they are US citizens. We obviously deserve some special treatment. Yet, when someone like this lady pops up it is suddenly--TOE THE LINE M___FR!!

What is up with that?

The bottom line is she was abused by the US Govt.--didn't that AHole represent our govt? So we should deport her for that????

My relationship would survive sexual assault.

She reported to the press, filed with the District Attorney and told all her family and NOT her husband. That's why her relationship wouldn't survive. He found out by overhearing her telling someone else.

She shouldn't get a green card because she was sexually assaulted by a government employee. Her application should stand on it's own. The employee should go to jail for what he did. The employee works for the government, but unless there is a policy stating that he can coerce immigrants to his benefit, he wasn't "representing" the government when he performed illegal activities. Government employees are human beings. They perform illegal activities. The NY Governor was just caught frequenting high end prostitutes. Should the government pay the prostitutes family for pain and suffering? No. But the Governor should be held accountable for what HE did.

From what I read, her application was sufficient to stand on its own. Until her AO decided he needed 'one more thing' before he signed off on it.

Just because this woman didn't follow the same path you or I did for her marriage based application does not make what she did 'illegal'.

Many of the misconceptions about illegal immigration are based upon ignorance of the law.

Edited March 21, 2008 by rebeccajo

[Caladan 19]

And how many of our relationships would survive BJ.

OH? So you HAD to do it??

I think that what is interesting is that on this site we have many people wanting the system to ......accomodate them. Cut them some slack simply because they are US citizens. We obviously deserve some special treatment. Yet, when someone like this lady pops up it is suddenly--TOE THE LINE M___FR!!

What is up with that?

The bottom line is she was abused by the US Govt.--didn't that AHole represent our govt? So we should deport her for that????

My relationship would survive sexual assault.

She reported to the press, filed with the District Attorney and told all her family and NOT her husband. That's why her relationship wouldn't survive. He found out by overhearing her telling someone else.

She shouldn't get a green card because she was sexually assaulted by a government employee. Her application should stand on it's own. The employee should go to jail for what he did. The employee works for the government, but unless there is a policy stating that he can coerce immigrants to his benefit, he wasn't "representing" the government when he performed illegal activities. Government employees are human beings. They perform illegal activities. The NY Governor was just caught frequenting high end prostitutes. Should the government pay the prostitutes family for pain and suffering? No. But the Governor should be held accountable for what HE did.

I don't know. She might have a case not just because she was assaulted, but because absent the assault, she's still married and probably approved.

Plus, it helps catch the abusers. She didn't just get discovered; she taped the as$hole and brought it to the attention of law enforcement. To have that end automatically with deportation just tells rape victims that they better keep their mouth shut and do what the abuser says, because all that happens is you get deported. That leaves the abuser in place to order other women to suck his c0ck for a green card. No one wins.

Offering incentives to bring down bad guys isn't unheard of in law enforcement. The governor's prostitute probably won't be prosecuted.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

I don't know. She might have a case not just because she was assaulted, but because absent the assault, she's still married and probably approved.

Plus, it helps catch the abusers. She didn't just get discovered; she taped the as$hole and brought it to the attention of law enforcement. To have that end automatically with deportation just tells rape victims that they better keep their mouth shut and do what the abuser says, because all that happens is you get deported. That leaves the abuser in place to order other women to suck his c0ck for a green card. No one wins.

Offering incentives to bring down bad guys isn't unheard of in law enforcement. The governor's prostitute probably won't be prosecuted.

Amen Caladan.

Peejay, she was not an illegal alien. She was inspected at entry so her presence in the country is not illegal. She was however, out of status. Just like the thousands of individuals who enter the country legally on a K1 but fail to file for adjustment before their I94 expires. She was an 'overstayer' and subject to the bar if she had left the country, but she was not an 'illegal alien'. 'Illegal aliens' have not been inspected by CBP at entry.

As for her marriage - it may or may not be over. But if the marriage itself was based upon a bonafide relationship, she has the right to file for adjustment just as much as anyone else in this forum.

You may be unhappy with her immigration status, but the fact is she didn't do much else differently than hundreds of other members of this forum. Other than manage to get herself arrested once, and that situation appears to have been previously resolved.

Not everybody immigrates to this country in the same way. Our laws provide for various paths. Our personal feelings about those paths are not sufficient to brand a person 'illegal'.

sister becca, you effing rock

[tom&tata 2]

I find it slightly odd that the woman did not tell the USC husband about the "odd" request. My husband is usually the first person to hear my complaint about the whole immigration #######

I am also surprised they did not start a removal proceeding when the authority caught her in relation with the money laundering case.

[greeneyedgirlfl 0]

I find it slightly odd that the woman did not tell the USC husband about the "odd" request. My husband is usually the first person to hear my complaint about the whole immigration #######

I am also surprised they did not start a removal proceeding when the authority caught her in relation with the money laundering case.

I agree...

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

I am also surprised they did not start a removal proceeding when the authority caught her in relation with the money laundering case.

i'm not.

[Caladan 19]

I am also surprised they did not start a removal proceeding when the authority caught her in relation with the money laundering case.

i'm not.

Yeah, absent a conviction, they tend not to do much.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

I find it slightly odd that the woman did not tell the USC husband about the "odd" request. My husband is usually the first person to hear my complaint about the whole immigration #######

I am also surprised they did not start a removal proceeding when the authority caught her in relation with the money laundering case.

Some women, when they are raped or somehow abused, do not tell their families, OR the police. I don't find it odd at all. How many rapes go unreported every year?

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

I find it slightly odd that the woman did not tell the USC husband about the "odd" request. My husband is usually the first person to hear my complaint about the whole immigration #######

I am also surprised they did not start a removal proceeding when the authority caught her in relation with the money laundering case.

Some women, when they are raped or somehow abused, do not tell their families, OR the police. I don't find it odd at all. How many rapes go unreported every year?

lots. the poor gal was put into a difficult position by this azzhole.

[amiquechu 0]

I find it slightly odd that the woman did not tell the USC husband about the "odd" request. My husband is usually the first person to hear my complaint about the whole immigration #######

I am also surprised they did not start a removal proceeding when the authority caught her in relation with the money laundering case.

Some women, when they are raped or somehow abused, do not tell their families, OR the police. I don't find it odd at all. How many rapes go unreported every year?

Hopefully the immigration worker will get sent to prison where he will "get his". I saw a TV show the other night where there was a prison guard who was abusing his power and got busted...I think for killing someone he didn't like. The prisoners where he worked were awfully anxious to get their hands on the guard once he was sent to prison...pretty funny, I thought. It is nice knowing that cops, CO's, rapists, and pedophiles who abuse their power and take advantage of people will almost always pay SEVERELY once they're in prison.

Still, if it was my wife the immigration guy tried to take advantage of though, he wouldn't make it to prison alive!!!

[DeadPoolX 9]

My relationship would survive sexual assault.

She reported to the press, filed with the District Attorney and told all her family and NOT her husband. That's why her relationship wouldn't survive. He found out by overhearing her telling someone else.

She shouldn't get a green card because she was sexually assaulted by a government employee. Her application should stand on it's own. The employee should go to jail for what he did. The employee works for the government, but unless there is a policy stating that he can coerce immigrants to his benefit, he wasn't "representing" the government when he performed illegal activities. Government employees are human beings. They perform illegal activities. The NY Governor was just caught frequenting high end prostitutes. Should the government pay the prostitutes family for pain and suffering? No. But the Governor should be held accountable for what HE did.

I don't mean to sound offensive, but you don't know that -- not for sure, anyway. The only way you could ever know is if your relationship was sexually assaulted (not that I hope it ever is, you understand). In situations like these, which are extremely traumatic for all involved, we can't realistically say how we'd respond or what we'd do. We can guess, but that's about all. What we think we might do might actually be something entirely different from what we'd end up doing if whatever event being described took place.

I find it slightly odd that the woman did not tell the USC husband about the "odd" request. My husband is usually the first person to hear my complaint about the whole immigration #######

I am also surprised they did not start a removal proceeding when the authority caught her in relation with the money laundering case.

Some women, when they are raped or somehow abused, do not tell their families, OR the police. I don't find it odd at all. How many rapes go unreported every year?

The majority of sexual assault and rape cases go unreported, mostly because women somehow feel embarrassed by it or that if they tell the authorities, they'll be further victimized via police and medical screening. From what I understand, the tests a raped woman must undergo are quite invasive. Even if a woman tells the police and submits to all necessary examinations, very few women will have any evidence left by the time these procedures take place.

When a woman has been raped, the first thing she usually does is clean herself up by taking a shower and/or thoroughly rinsing her mouth out. This makes sense, of course, since the woman wants to rid herself of any bodily fluids her rapist may have left on or inside her; however, doing this also eliminates the best evidence police can get in order to track down the rapist as well.

As for a woman telling her family... doing so usually depends on her relationship with them and how/what they think of her. That probably shouldn't make a difference, but it does (just like it does for juries) since a woman who's employed as a stripper or a prostitute will generally receive less sympathy and support than a woman who works as a physician or attorney. It might not be "right" to take the stance of "you knew what you were getting into" and "you were asking for it," but depending on the circumstances involved, many people will -- even on a subconscious level -- be thinking this and it can heavily influence them.

An important side-note: men can be raped too. Both men and women can rape a men. It's fairly obvious how a man could rape another man, but most people have trouble imagining how a woman could do it. After all, doesn't the man need to get erect in order to have intercourse? Well, if rape is involved, intercourse is rarely the intent (and even if it is, a man's erection is largely a physiological response in which he has little control over). A woman intent on raping a man could insert many objects into his rear-end, including those ranging from household items like broom handles to more unusual equipment, such as the stiletto heel of a woman's high-heeled shoe. It's been done before, but you'll rarely hear about it -- men won't report it, since it severely damages their ego (especially if a woman caused it) and the FBI's system of gathering data on rape crimes doesn't include rape against men (heterosexual or homosexual) as an option.

[JVKn'CVO 11]

Did you hear the recording on the TV? It's disgusting! the guy says it sooo calmly, like it's nothing!!! I'm so mad that someone would abuse their power and position like that, when there are important issues at stake, like family unity.

Saludos,

Caro

[rebeccajo 14]

I find it slightly odd that the woman did not tell the USC husband about the "odd" request. My husband is usually the first person to hear my complaint about the whole immigration #######

I am also surprised they did not start a removal proceeding when the authority caught her in relation with the money laundering case.

I agree...

It's called due process.

Be glad you live in a country that has it.