Top Rabbi: Jewish law forbids renting homes to Arabs

[GaryC 7]

Teehee.

Zio-logic... it's the logic of the criminally insane.

Out comes the personal attacks. Now I am criminally insane?

Zio-logic --

from

"God gave it to me" or "God told me to do this"

to

"Might makes right -- who cares about what the law says"

-- is the logic of the criminally insane.

This type of reasoning has never stood up in any court of law. (Well, unless it's a kangaroo court.)

So I guess that means you stand behind your inference that I am criminally insane?

I stand by my statement that it is the logic of the criminally insane.

So since I hold with the idea that the strong survive by staying strong that makes me criminally insane? Spit it out WOM! Say what you mean.

[Dan J 277]

The generic "us" and the generic "them". You choose who you want to put in each category.

If you condemn all injustice why don't I see you posting topics about bombers in market places or the repression of other Arab countries? All we see you post is how bad the evil Zionists are.

You used the term, but now you don't want to define it ? Interesting.

May I point out that *you* yourself have never condemned any Israeli terrorist actions, or any Israeli violations of international law or the Geneva Convention. (Nor, by the way, have I asked you to.)

And despite your *personal* perception about my posts (although you try to characterize it as "all we see".... as if your *own* opinion is in any way representative of the group) -- it seems that you are not actually familiar with most of them. In fact, contrary to your perception, the majority of my posts have nothing to do with Israel or Zionists.

I don't make any illusions of where my sympathy lies. I am 100% in favor of the Zionists. Israel was created by the UN/LON. It was successfully defended in several wars, some Israel started some they didn't. They took land in those wars and IMO it is theirs until someone else takes it away. You all know I am a hawk and I feel that might makes right.

The Palestinian people have 3 choices as far as I see it. Submit to the stronger power and assimilate, move or take their land back through force of arms. As long as they continue the path of terrorism then Israel will continue to oppress them. If they stop terrorism then I feel that Israel will let them assimilate. If they don't want to live in a country ruled by the Zions then the last two options are their choices. But the idea that playing the victim card will not work. Wars have winners and losers. The Palestinians lost.

Your also in favor of double standards.

Isreal and Iraq had have a few things in common, well sort of.

Isreal supports terrorism, Iraq supposedly did, but had no connections to AQ.

Iraq and Isreal both defied UN security council regulations.

Iraq supposedly had WMD's and Isreal does.

So in other words, your all for double standards. Its that attitude that makes it difficult to make any progress in comming up with a solution.

There are other solutions. But both Israel and the Palestians need to be treated equally. No more calling for a two state solution, and then turning around to sell weapons to Israel. (I suppose we could sell weapons to both sides and the problem would eventually take care of itself, assuming there is anyone left alive in the end.)

The big difference is Israel isn't threatening us with their weapons. They are only defending themselves and some are calling that terrorism. Obviously I don't agree with that. If there comes a day when Israel threatens us then I will advocate blowing them up. For now they are our friends and I will want to defend our friends.

But in the end, Isreal is a liablity. If we continue to support Isreal without pushing for an amicable resolution to the conflict, we are only makeing it more difficult to deal with other geopoltical forces in the region.

We can't win the war on terror, if we cant solve one of the major points of retoric that drives islamic extremeism.

Even if we abandon Israel and let other countries destroy them the extremist will still attack us. They don't care about the Palestinians and Israel, they only want to push their hateful version of Islam on as many people as they can. (notice I am not saying all Muslims, only the ones that use their religion as an excuse for violence) They just use the Palestinians as a convenient excuse. If that were taken away tomorrow they would just find a new reason. If you think the terrorists are only trying to get justice for Palestine your fooling yourself.

Terrorism groups (no matter what aim) depend on popular support to continue operating. The need support for recruitment, supplies, to help stay hidden, etc. At the moment, they get alot of popular support, because of our biased support of isreal, actions in Iraq, and other actions we have taken in the past. This is not to say that most of the people who are providing support for extremeist groups truly support thier mission, but they are the only actors acting against the US, and an avenue for the anger over US actions.

Fixing the Israel problem will not end extremeism, it will however weaken the popular support for those those groups. Which in turn will make it easier to deal with, and give a greater voice to moderate groups to take polticital power in Saudi Arabia and Iran.

We have alot to gain by ending our biased support of Israel and moving them into the position where they will negotiate for peace.

I 100% disagree. They will just find a new cause for their violence. Their aim (the radicals) is conquest and control. The only way to fight that is to help our friends (Israel) and destroy our enemies. Talking solves nothing.

Does that make you a radical?

[Jenn! 918]

"Might makes right" isn't a very ethical viewpoint by modern standards, is it? I don't really know, but it at best it's extremely narcissistic.

[GaryC 7]

The generic "us" and the generic "them". You choose who you want to put in each category.

If you condemn all injustice why don't I see you posting topics about bombers in market places or the repression of other Arab countries? All we see you post is how bad the evil Zionists are.

You used the term, but now you don't want to define it ? Interesting.

May I point out that *you* yourself have never condemned any Israeli terrorist actions, or any Israeli violations of international law or the Geneva Convention. (Nor, by the way, have I asked you to.)

And despite your *personal* perception about my posts (although you try to characterize it as "all we see".... as if your *own* opinion is in any way representative of the group) -- it seems that you are not actually familiar with most of them. In fact, contrary to your perception, the majority of my posts have nothing to do with Israel or Zionists.

I don't make any illusions of where my sympathy lies. I am 100% in favor of the Zionists. Israel was created by the UN/LON. It was successfully defended in several wars, some Israel started some they didn't. They took land in those wars and IMO it is theirs until someone else takes it away. You all know I am a hawk and I feel that might makes right.

The Palestinian people have 3 choices as far as I see it. Submit to the stronger power and assimilate, move or take their land back through force of arms. As long as they continue the path of terrorism then Israel will continue to oppress them. If they stop terrorism then I feel that Israel will let them assimilate. If they don't want to live in a country ruled by the Zions then the last two options are their choices. But the idea that playing the victim card will not work. Wars have winners and losers. The Palestinians lost.

Your also in favor of double standards.

Isreal and Iraq had have a few things in common, well sort of.

Isreal supports terrorism, Iraq supposedly did, but had no connections to AQ.

Iraq and Isreal both defied UN security council regulations.

Iraq supposedly had WMD's and Isreal does.

So in other words, your all for double standards. Its that attitude that makes it difficult to make any progress in comming up with a solution.

There are other solutions. But both Israel and the Palestians need to be treated equally. No more calling for a two state solution, and then turning around to sell weapons to Israel. (I suppose we could sell weapons to both sides and the problem would eventually take care of itself, assuming there is anyone left alive in the end.)

The big difference is Israel isn't threatening us with their weapons. They are only defending themselves and some are calling that terrorism. Obviously I don't agree with that. If there comes a day when Israel threatens us then I will advocate blowing them up. For now they are our friends and I will want to defend our friends.

But in the end, Isreal is a liablity. If we continue to support Isreal without pushing for an amicable resolution to the conflict, we are only makeing it more difficult to deal with other geopoltical forces in the region.

We can't win the war on terror, if we cant solve one of the major points of retoric that drives islamic extremeism.

Even if we abandon Israel and let other countries destroy them the extremist will still attack us. They don't care about the Palestinians and Israel, they only want to push their hateful version of Islam on as many people as they can. (notice I am not saying all Muslims, only the ones that use their religion as an excuse for violence) They just use the Palestinians as a convenient excuse. If that were taken away tomorrow they would just find a new reason. If you think the terrorists are only trying to get justice for Palestine your fooling yourself.

Terrorism groups (no matter what aim) depend on popular support to continue operating. The need support for recruitment, supplies, to help stay hidden, etc. At the moment, they get alot of popular support, because of our biased support of isreal, actions in Iraq, and other actions we have taken in the past. This is not to say that most of the people who are providing support for extremeist groups truly support thier mission, but they are the only actors acting against the US, and an avenue for the anger over US actions.

Fixing the Israel problem will not end extremeism, it will however weaken the popular support for those those groups. Which in turn will make it easier to deal with, and give a greater voice to moderate groups to take polticital power in Saudi Arabia and Iran.

We have alot to gain by ending our biased support of Israel and moving them into the position where they will negotiate for peace.

I 100% disagree. They will just find a new cause for their violence. Their aim (the radicals) is conquest and control. The only way to fight that is to help our friends (Israel) and destroy our enemies. Talking solves nothing.

Does that make you a radical?

Nope. Not at all. It makes me a survivor.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

So since I hold with the idea that the strong survive by staying strong that makes me criminally insane? Spit it out WOM! Say what you mean.

I believe I've been quite precise in my wording. Maybe you should go back and read it again.

And I have to say -- your demand is pretty funny from someone who refused to even define what he meant by the "us versus them" comment

[GaryC 7]

"Might makes right" isn't a very ethical viewpoint by modern standards, is it? I don't really know, but it at best it's extremely narcissistic.

Ethics has nothing to do with it. It's just the reality of things.

[Jenn! 918]

"Might makes right" isn't a very ethical viewpoint by modern standards, is it? I don't really know, but it at best it's extremely narcissistic.

Ethics has nothing to do with it. It's just the reality of things.

Yes, I think that's the problem.

[GaryC 7]

So since I hold with the idea that the strong survive by staying strong that makes me criminally insane? Spit it out WOM! Say what you mean.

I believe I've been quite precise in my wording. Maybe you should go back and read it again.

And I have to say -- your demand is pretty funny from someone who refused to even define what he meant by the "us versus them" comment

Us vs them is also self explanatory. Us vs them is a generic term used when two sides have a conflict. Is that so hard to understand? Oh wait, you want me to put specific people in those categories? Not going to happen since it means different things to different people depending on their POV. I will not step into your word trap. But your right, you were very precise in your calling me insane. I will not stoop to your level and call names back.

[simple_male 1]

"Might makes right" isn't a very ethical viewpoint by modern standards, is it? I don't really know, but it at best it's extremely narcissistic.

Ethics has nothing to do with it. It's just the reality of things.

Yes, I think that's the problem.

For some, it is not a problem which is a problem itself. But they are very few. Might is right is not a sound principle. No country can guarantee it will have the military might forever over its neighbor(s).

Yes, who are "us" and who are "them?"

Edited March 21, 2008 by simple_male

[GaryC 7]

"Might makes right" isn't a very ethical viewpoint by modern standards, is it? I don't really know, but it at best it's extremely narcissistic.

Ethics has nothing to do with it. It's just the reality of things.

Yes, I think that's the problem.

For some, it is not a problem which is a problem itself. But they are very few. Might is right is not a sound principle. No country can guarantee it will have the military might forever over its neighbor(s).

Yes, who are "us" and who are "them?"

No country lasts forever. Even our country will someday pass. That is the way of things and negotiations will never provide an everlasting country. Only as long as a country is strong will it survive.

"Yes, who are "us" and who are "them?""

See my post above. For me at least this discussion is over. I have stated my POV and others have stated theirs.

[Nagishkaw 510]

"Might makes right" isn't a very ethical viewpoint by modern standards, is it? I don't really know, but it at best it's extremely narcissistic.

Ethics has nothing to do with it. It's just the reality of things.

Yes, I think that's the problem.

For some, it is not a problem which is a problem itself. But they are very few. Might is right is not a sound principle. No country can guarantee it will have the military might forever over its neighbor(s).

Yes, who are "us" and who are "them?"

Us and Them

And after all we're only ordinary men

Me, and you

God only knows it's not what we would choose to do

Forward he cried from the rear

and the front rank died

And the General sat, as the lines on the map

moved from side to side

Black and Blue

And who knows which is which and who is who

Up and Down

And in the end it's only round and round and round

Haven't you heard it's a battle of words

the poster bearer cried

Listen son, said the man with the gun

There's room for you inside

Down and Out

It can't be helped but there's a lot of it about

With, without

And who'll deny that's what the fightings all about

Get out of the way, it's a busy day

And I've got things on my mind

For want of the price of tea and a slice

The old man died

.......Pink Floyd

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

I can post some more pics of Hebron and the settlers....

[MandR 0]

It's kind of like that.

But this is on a much broader scale, and it's even more outrageous.

This man is an illegal settler, living on land confiscated from Palestinians, deep in the heart of the Palestinian West Bank. No government in the world recognizes Israel's "right" to take this land as part of Israel, or to move its own civilian population into this territory (well, except the Israeli government, which dances between from tacitly allowing to openly supporting this activity as official state policy.)

This man is not only calling for wholesale discrimination against Israel's own Arab citizens. He is also calling for Israel's total appropriation of the West Bank and Gaza (which is absolutely illegal under international law) and the expulsion of the Palestinians who live there.

The settlers in Hebron and Kiryat Arba are not the largest groups in the West Bank, but they are some of the most fanatic extremists of all.

And they have continued to receive the Israeli government's support -- the illegal settlements receive government funding, government services, and military protection.

Many (if not most) Israelis find the ideology and the behavior of the settlers to be completely repugnant. Many (if not most) Israelis consider their own government's complicity in facilitating the settler movement to be a major threat to the security of the Israeli state.

But the settler movement is entrenched into the highest levels of the Israeli government, and their demands have been institutionalized into official policy.

Postcards from Hebron:

HOT DAMN..... those Israelies look good with their weapons. You got more to share

[MandR 0]

The generic "us" and the generic "them". You choose who you want to put in each category.

If you condemn all injustice why don't I see you posting topics about bombers in market places or the repression of other Arab countries? All we see you post is how bad the evil Zionists are.

You used the term, but now you don't want to define it ? Interesting.

May I point out that *you* yourself have never condemned any Israeli terrorist actions, or any Israeli violations of international law or the Geneva Convention. (Nor, by the way, have I asked you to.)

And despite your *personal* perception about my posts (although you try to characterize it as "all we see".... as if your *own* opinion is in any way representative of the group) -- it seems that you are not actually familiar with most of them. In fact, contrary to your perception, the majority of my posts have nothing to do with Israel or Zionists.

I don't make any illusions of where my sympathy lies. I am 100% in favor of the Zionists. Israel was created by the UN/LON. It was successfully defended in several wars, some Israel started some they didn't. They took land in those wars and IMO it is theirs until someone else takes it away. You all know I am a hawk and I feel that might makes right.

The Palestinian people have 3 choices as far as I see it. Submit to the stronger power and assimilate, move or take their land back through force of arms. As long as they continue the path of terrorism then Israel will continue to oppress them. If they stop terrorism then I feel that Israel will let them assimilate. If they don't want to live in a country ruled by the Zions then the last two options are their choices. But the idea that playing the victim card will not work. Wars have winners and losers. The Palestinians lost.

Well said Gary

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

HOT DAMN..... those Israelies look good with their weapons. You got more to share

You're actually asking ME do I have any more pics ?????

Um yes. I do. I'll post 'em later.... maybe some vids too....