They're marching

[pedroh 21]

with fake social security numbers all the money that is taken out goes into an unclaimed pot at social security until they can figure out who the wages are assigned to. Since most are never assigned the wages are unaccounted for, therefore the person is NOT paying taxes.

Also Joe Blow Illegal Immigrant can claim 15 dependents on his w-4 and have $0 taxes taken out of his paycheck and since he is using a fake social and doesn't file a tax return, he is essentially NOT paying taxes. Employers are not required to check to see if he has 15 dependents because this check is supposed to be done at tax time with the tax fillings.

well.. then what happens to that money in the pot.. and.. if the employer is deducting taxes from their paycheck.. technically, that's paying taxes.. isnt it? (in case joe illegal is not claiming 15 dependants)

[irishgirl73 0]

I agree with you Irishgirl. Also its been awhile since ive seen ya! Glad to see ya posting again

Thanks

I started a new job so I was training for a few weeks-now I have all the time in the world to post

[Ban Hammer 13,475]

These people are ILLEGAL (note the word) and are already marching for rights...Jeez, what happens when they become legal? Will there be strikes every second day?

And as for contributing to the economy...most DO NOT pay taxes and also send a good portion of their wages back to their home country.

Seriously, give us a break...

mand.. are legal immigrants allowed to send wages back to their home country?? I don't see the problem with that.. legal or illegal.. I don't see a conflict with sending back wages back to their homes..

now.. seriously.. I'd like to see a chart.. dunno if someone can provide it... I know for sure that the illegals that have been more than 5 years in USA have fake SS#'s and or ID's.. so. technically they are paying taxes, but can't file a return.. what's the number of illegals who have fake ss# and the ones who doesn't.. and.. in the case that there's a higher number of illegals who are indeed paying taxes.. wouldn't that 'they dont pay taxes phrase' would be a lie?

the discussion centers around illegal immigrants. legal ones can send money to the far reaches of space as far as i care. the point about money being sent out of the country is just that. it's money not being spent again in the usa, it's being sent abroad and spent in the country of the illegal.

as for those having fake ssn's or not - no idea on that but i'd like to see such too.

[Mand 1]

mand.. are legal immigrants allowed to send wages back to their home country?? I don't see the problem with that.. legal or illegal.. I don't see a conflict with sending back wages back to their homes..

However, we are not out there striking and marching, declaring how important we are to the U.S. economy.

And as for taxes, if every single illegal immigrant owed just $1 in taxes (but don't, because they can't file taxes)...that equals approx $12 million. I think that's grounds for saying "No, you really don't contribute to the U.S. economy 100%"

There are laws and regulations in place for a reason. It's obvious the people marching can't respect those laws, and I feel should not be rewarded for ignoring these.

[faith 0]

with fake social security numbers all the money that is taken out goes into an unclaimed pot at social security until they can figure out who the wages are assigned to. Since most are never assigned the wages are unaccounted for, therefore the person is NOT paying taxes.

Also Joe Blow Illegal Immigrant can claim 15 dependents on his w-4 and have $0 taxes taken out of his paycheck and since he is using a fake social and doesn't file a tax return, he is essentially NOT paying taxes. Employers are not required to check to see if he has 15 dependents because this check is supposed to be done at tax time with the tax fillings.

well.. then what happens to that money in the pot.. and.. if the employer is deducting taxes from their paycheck.. technically, that's paying taxes.. isnt it? (in case joe illegal is not claiming 15 dependants)

I don't know what happens to the money in the pot. I think it has to sit there for X amount of time before the government can claim it. In case they figure it out (if it was an honest mistake). If the employer is deducting taxes from their paychecks (assuming like you said Joe Illegal isn't claiming 15 dependents) then the employer is paying quarterly taxes for an employee that is ripping off the government; therefore ripping the employer off as well.

HOWEVER, that being said, I would think that the majority of illegals are working "under the table". I'm not sure how many are using fake socials. Logic would think if they were already trying to scam the system with the fake social wouldn't they make sure they didn't get taxed to hell, getting the most out of their checks?

[Mand 1]

Imagine if all of us here on VJ-decided to protest long waits at the service centers, or too much paperwork, or the fact that we are separated from loved ones??? wait maybe I am on to something here

Now that would be one massive VJ reunion!!

[Jasman0717 9]

There are several thousand here in Santa Ana Ca marching and blocking traffic!

[irishgirl73 0]

Imagine if all of us here on VJ-decided to protest long waits at the service centers, or too much paperwork, or the fact that we are separated from loved ones??? wait maybe I am on to something here

Now that would be one massive VJ reunion!!

can you imagine?

[Ban Hammer 13,475]

I don't know what happens to the money in the pot. I think it has to sit there for X amount of time before the government can claim it. In case they figure it out (if it was an honest mistake). If the employer is deducting taxes from their paychecks (assuming like you said Joe Illegal isn't claiming 15 dependents) then the employer is paying quarterly taxes for an employee that is ripping off the government; therefore ripping the employer off as well.

HOWEVER, that being said, I would think that the majority of illegals are working "under the table". I'm not sure how many are using fake socials. Logic would think if they were already trying to scam the system with the fake social wouldn't they make sure they didn't get taxed to hell, getting the most out of their checks?

if they are working for cash in hand (paid under the table) then no taxes whatsoever are taken out. no ssn needed. my problem is the ssn being used for those being paid on a payroll is that somewhere, some poor sap is being screwed over. if they lose their job and apply for unemployment, or decide to retire, their application for unemployment or social security will be denied since they have X number of jobs on the opposite coast. it infuriates me that those supporting illegal immigrant rights ignore the rights of those who's ssn is being used!

[pedroh 21]

with fake social security numbers all the money that is taken out goes into an unclaimed pot at social security until they can figure out who the wages are assigned to. Since most are never assigned the wages are unaccounted for, therefore the person is NOT paying taxes.

Also Joe Blow Illegal Immigrant can claim 15 dependents on his w-4 and have $0 taxes taken out of his paycheck and since he is using a fake social and doesn't file a tax return, he is essentially NOT paying taxes. Employers are not required to check to see if he has 15 dependents because this check is supposed to be done at tax time with the tax fillings.

well.. then what happens to that money in the pot.. and.. if the employer is deducting taxes from their paycheck.. technically, that's paying taxes.. isnt it? (in case joe illegal is not claiming 15 dependants)

I don't know what happens to the money in the pot. I think it has to sit there for X amount of time before the government can claim it. In case they figure it out (if it was an honest mistake). If the employer is deducting taxes from their paychecks (assuming like you said Joe Illegal isn't claiming 15 dependents) then the employer is paying quarterly taxes for an employee that is ripping off the government; therefore ripping the employer off as well.

HOWEVER, that being said, I would think that the majority of illegals are working "under the table". I'm not sure how many are using fake socials. Logic would think if they were already trying to scam the system with the fake social wouldn't they make sure they didn't get taxed to hell, getting the most out of their checks?

yeah.. but it'd be interesting to see how many employers take taxes from those paychecks with fake SS#'s.. cuz in that case the illegal with that fake SS# would be paying taxes.. well.. the employer would take money from his paycheck to pay taxes.. i guess..

[faith 0]

I don't know what happens to the money in the pot. I think it has to sit there for X amount of time before the government can claim it. In case they figure it out (if it was an honest mistake). If the employer is deducting taxes from their paychecks (assuming like you said Joe Illegal isn't claiming 15 dependents) then the employer is paying quarterly taxes for an employee that is ripping off the government; therefore ripping the employer off as well.

HOWEVER, that being said, I would think that the majority of illegals are working "under the table". I'm not sure how many are using fake socials. Logic would think if they were already trying to scam the system with the fake social wouldn't they make sure they didn't get taxed to hell, getting the most out of their checks?

if they are working for cash in hand (paid under the table) then no taxes whatsoever are taken out. no ssn needed. my problem is the ssn being used for those being paid on a payroll is that somewhere, some poor sap is being screwed over. if they lose their job and apply for unemployment, or decide to retire, their application for unemployment or social security will be denied since they have X number of jobs on the opposite coast. it infuriates me that those supporting illegal immigrant rights ignore the rights of those who's ssn is being used!

that was one of my points: under the table jobs do not have taxes taken out.

[Ban Hammer 13,475]

with fake social security numbers all the money that is taken out goes into an unclaimed pot at social security until they can figure out who the wages are assigned to. Since most are never assigned the wages are unaccounted for, therefore the person is NOT paying taxes.

Also Joe Blow Illegal Immigrant can claim 15 dependents on his w-4 and have $0 taxes taken out of his paycheck and since he is using a fake social and doesn't file a tax return, he is essentially NOT paying taxes. Employers are not required to check to see if he has 15 dependents because this check is supposed to be done at tax time with the tax fillings.

well.. then what happens to that money in the pot.. and.. if the employer is deducting taxes from their paycheck.. technically, that's paying taxes.. isnt it? (in case joe illegal is not claiming 15 dependants)

I don't know what happens to the money in the pot. I think it has to sit there for X amount of time before the government can claim it. In case they figure it out (if it was an honest mistake). If the employer is deducting taxes from their paychecks (assuming like you said Joe Illegal isn't claiming 15 dependents) then the employer is paying quarterly taxes for an employee that is ripping off the government; therefore ripping the employer off as well.

HOWEVER, that being said, I would think that the majority of illegals are working "under the table". I'm not sure how many are using fake socials. Logic would think if they were already trying to scam the system with the fake social wouldn't they make sure they didn't get taxed to hell, getting the most out of their checks?

yeah.. but it'd be interesting to see how many employers take taxes from those paychecks with fake SS#'s.. cuz in that case the illegal with that fake SS# would be paying taxes.. well.. the employer would take money from his paycheck to pay taxes.. i guess..

you guess? yes, they do take taxes depending on how many deductions that person claims. and as stated previously, the more deductions the person puts down the less taken out. ergo, a false ssn user can put 10 deductions and have 0 taken out, with the assumption by the government that it will all come out in the wash at the end of the year when they file their taxes. but they don't file!

and yes, faith, pardon me for beating a dead horse. it needed more flogging

Edited May 1, 2006 by charlesandnessa

[faith 0]

with fake social security numbers all the money that is taken out goes into an unclaimed pot at social security until they can figure out who the wages are assigned to. Since most are never assigned the wages are unaccounted for, therefore the person is NOT paying taxes.

Also Joe Blow Illegal Immigrant can claim 15 dependents on his w-4 and have $0 taxes taken out of his paycheck and since he is using a fake social and doesn't file a tax return, he is essentially NOT paying taxes. Employers are not required to check to see if he has 15 dependents because this check is supposed to be done at tax time with the tax fillings.

well.. then what happens to that money in the pot.. and.. if the employer is deducting taxes from their paycheck.. technically, that's paying taxes.. isnt it? (in case joe illegal is not claiming 15 dependants)

I don't know what happens to the money in the pot. I think it has to sit there for X amount of time before the government can claim it. In case they figure it out (if it was an honest mistake). If the employer is deducting taxes from their paychecks (assuming like you said Joe Illegal isn't claiming 15 dependents) then the employer is paying quarterly taxes for an employee that is ripping off the government; therefore ripping the employer off as well.

HOWEVER, that being said, I would think that the majority of illegals are working "under the table". I'm not sure how many are using fake socials. Logic would think if they were already trying to scam the system with the fake social wouldn't they make sure they didn't get taxed to hell, getting the most out of their checks?

yeah.. but it'd be interesting to see how many employers take taxes from those paychecks with fake SS#'s.. cuz in that case the illegal with that fake SS# would be paying taxes.. well.. the employer would take money from his paycheck to pay taxes.. i guess..

you guess? yes, they do take taxes depending on how many deductions that person claims. and as stated previously, the more deductions the person puts down the less taken out. ergo, a false ssn user can put 10 deductions and have 0 taken out, with the assumption by the government that it will all comeout in the wash at the end of the year when they file their taxes. but they don't file!

thanks for being more clear than I was

[pedroh 21]

true, true..

dayum.. i want to eat some tacos.. but those guys closed today.. sniff..

they are damaging me!! alas.. i'll have to get taco bell

[faith 0]

true, true..

dayum.. i want to eat some tacos.. but those guys closed today.. sniff..

they are damaging me!! alas.. i'll have to get taco bell

i do believe this is the first time I've ever seen you to say something like "true true" and back down from your side of the argument you feeling ok today?