OBAMA SPEECH IN FULL: A MORE PERFECT UNION

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And the guests on these programs also stress the history behind such kinds of comments, to be more complete.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Obama talking about Imus.

[garya505 2]

As Obama said, he could no more disown Wright than disown his own white grandmother. What he's saying there is that he feels a same attachment or obligation.

I don't think that's what he said at all. Re-read what the man said. And this time try to understand it too.

I read that line and again it still states the same thing, nothing changed.

"He could no more disown Wright than disown his own white grandmother"

Can you give me another meaning to this that I and others are not getting

I think he simply meant that his grandmother as well as the Reverend Wright as well as others are people that helped form the very person that he [Obama] is today. Neither of them is perfect and without mistake (as no person is perfect and without mistake), neither of them he agrees with fully all of the time but both had nonetheless a valuable influence on shaping the person he is today. He can't go back and change that. Nor does he want to. I think that is what he is saying. Actually, he said just that in unmistakable terms:

"These people are a part of me."

That has nothing to do with your assertion that he feels the same attachment or obligation towards both. Nothing at all.

I agree with your interpretation, and that IS what I meant by attachment or obligation. For example, my father was an alcoholic but he still helped make me who I am. He taught me honesty and integrity, and this I will pass on to my son, if God allows me. But that was my father, on which I had no choice.

The fact that Wright is a part of Obama because Wright helped make him who he is today doesn't change the fact that he chose Wright for this role in his life. And like I said, I believe Wright is an extremist and I don't think that if his political views represent those of mainstream Black Liberation Theology.

From what I've heard - that sort of firey rhetoric is pretty common to Black Liberation Theology.

The question is if Wright alone should be tagged as an extremist or an entire branch of theology - including large church congregations. I can see the convenience in the former, but the latter is a problem however you look at it - because it opens up a wider debate than I think many people are willing to have. And it would take the focus off Obama - which is also not what some people want.

Hmm, I don't think that the kind of language that Wright used is commonplace at all.

Although I cannot cite any specific sources to the contrary of what you say, this very topic has been bantered about for the past couple of days by the media, and as far as I can tell those journalists, and program guests weighing in on this topic, that do attend black churches say that this is not commonplace at all.

I'm of the impression the concensus is that Wright's taken the dialog to the next level.

That's what I've been trying to say.

And the guests on these programs also stress the history behind such kinds of comments, to be more complete.

People do need to understand the history. The anger, the mistrust, and the resentment are very real.

ETA: ... and justified.

Edited March 19, 2008 by garya505

[dalegg 143]

Hmm....this person should be a president. I don't think so, sorry.

"McCain became enmeshed in a scandal during the 1980s, called Keating Five, in the context of the Savings and Loan crisis of that decade.[77] Between 1982 and 1987, McCain had received approximately $112,000 in political contributions from Charles Keating Jr. and his associates at Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, along with trips on Keating's jets.[77] Subsequently, in 1987, McCain was one of five Senators whom Keating contacted in order to prevent the government’s seizure of Lincoln, which was by then insolvent and being investigated for making questionable efforts to regain solvency; at Keating's request, McCain met at least twice in 1987 with federal regulators to prevent the government's seizure of Lincoln.[77]

On his Keating Five experience, McCain said: "The appearance of it was wrong. It's a wrong appearance when a group of senators appear in a meeting with a group of regulators, because it conveys the impression of undue and improper influence. And it was the wrong thing to do."[78]

Federal regulators ultimately filed a $1.1 billion civil racketeering and fraud suit against Keating. The five senators came under investigation for attempting to influence the regulators. In the end, none of the senators were charged with any crime, although McCain was rebuked by the Senate"

Should or should not be, he almost certainly will be. If you think white Republicans are going to forget about this thing with the reverand, think again. I think the base might just have been stimulated. And if the Super Delegates give the nomination to Hillary, about a third of their party will sit out in protest. Although... After this mess, maybe the democrat electorate who supported Obama would understand the move. Yes, indeed. It was the Democrats election to lose, and...

Edited March 20, 2008 by dalegg

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Obama talking about Imus.

I GOT TWO DAUGHTERS? Avoiding the reality of his statements says alot about some ppls denial of the truth! Make more excuses! cmon I wanna hear them.

[Sheriff Uling 3]

Hmm....this person should be a president. I don't think so, sorry.

"McCain became enmeshed in a scandal during the 1980s, called Keating Five, in the context of the Savings and Loan crisis of that decade.[77] Between 1982 and 1987, McCain had received approximately $112,000 in political contributions from Charles Keating Jr. and his associates at Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, along with trips on Keating's jets.[77] Subsequently, in 1987, McCain was one of five Senators whom Keating contacted in order to prevent the government’s seizure of Lincoln, which was by then insolvent and being investigated for making questionable efforts to regain solvency; at Keating's request, McCain met at least twice in 1987 with federal regulators to prevent the government's seizure of Lincoln.[77]

On his Keating Five experience, McCain said: "The appearance of it was wrong. It's a wrong appearance when a group of senators appear in a meeting with a group of regulators, because it conveys the impression of undue and improper influence. And it was the wrong thing to do."[78]

Federal regulators ultimately filed a $1.1 billion civil racketeering and fraud suit against Keating. The five senators came under investigation for attempting to influence the regulators. In the end, none of the senators were charged with any crime, although McCain was rebuked by the Senate"

Should or should not be, he almost certainly will be. If you think white Republicans are going to forget about this thing with the reverand, think again. I think the base might just have been stimulated. And if the Super Delegates give the nomination to Hillary, about a third of their party will sit out in protest. Although... After this mess, maybe the democrat electorate who supported Obama would understand the move. Yes, indeed. It was the Democrats election to lose, and...

Dale - You are absolutely correct. The Republican base was flat during this entire political season, but I suspect that will come to a dead end come the general election (or even beforehand). Mark my words, the Democrats are in serious, serious trouble. This will linger for months and the Democrats are in for a bumpy ride til the finish. Hang on...!!!

Obama talking about Imus.

I GOT TWO DAUGHTERS? Avoiding the reality of his statements says alot about some ppls denial of the truth! Make more excuses! cmon I wanna hear them.

CarlsMarc - I hear ya! It's hard to turn a blind eye to the glaring bias and hypocracy in his position. Wrong is wrong! Period... I thought the exact same thing when I heard this again and evaluated that to his semi-sweet condemning of Rev. Wright. I believe that his run for the presidency has hit a brick wall. Sen. Obama is finished and Sen. Clinton is not electable. Game over!!!

Edited March 20, 2008 by Sheriff Uling

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Hmm....this person should be a president. I don't think so, sorry.

"McCain became enmeshed in a scandal during the 1980s, called Keating Five, in the context of the Savings and Loan crisis of that decade.[77] Between 1982 and 1987, McCain had received approximately $112,000 in political contributions from Charles Keating Jr. and his associates at Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, along with trips on Keating's jets.[77] Subsequently, in 1987, McCain was one of five Senators whom Keating contacted in order to prevent the government’s seizure of Lincoln, which was by then insolvent and being investigated for making questionable efforts to regain solvency; at Keating's request, McCain met at least twice in 1987 with federal regulators to prevent the government's seizure of Lincoln.[77]

On his Keating Five experience, McCain said: "The appearance of it was wrong. It's a wrong appearance when a group of senators appear in a meeting with a group of regulators, because it conveys the impression of undue and improper influence. And it was the wrong thing to do."[78]

Federal regulators ultimately filed a $1.1 billion civil racketeering and fraud suit against Keating. The five senators came under investigation for attempting to influence the regulators. In the end, none of the senators were charged with any crime, although McCain was rebuked by the Senate"

Should or should not be, he almost certainly will be. If you think white Republicans are going to forget about this thing with the reverand, think again. I think the base might just have been stimulated. And if the Super Delegates give the nomination to Hillary, about a third of their party will sit out in protest. Although... After this mess, maybe the democrat electorate who supported Obama would understand the move. Yes, indeed. It was the Democrats election to lose, and...

Dale - You are absolutely correct. The Republican base was flat during this entire political season, but I suspect that will come to a dead end come the general election (or even beforehand). Mark my words, the Democrats are in serious, serious trouble. This will linger for months and the Democrats are in for a bumpy ride til the finish. Hang on...!!!

Dems have always been in a BUMPY ride, its now that their truth has been given forth. They are DONE! Hating Bush while LOVING a TOOL! LOL!

Edited March 20, 2008 by CarolsMarc

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Hmm....this person should be a president. I don't think so, sorry.

"McCain became enmeshed in a scandal during the 1980s, called Keating Five, in the context of the Savings and Loan crisis of that decade.[77] Between 1982 and 1987, McCain had received approximately $112,000 in political contributions from Charles Keating Jr. and his associates at Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, along with trips on Keating's jets.[77] Subsequently, in 1987, McCain was one of five Senators whom Keating contacted in order to prevent the government’s seizure of Lincoln, which was by then insolvent and being investigated for making questionable efforts to regain solvency; at Keating's request, McCain met at least twice in 1987 with federal regulators to prevent the government's seizure of Lincoln.[77]

On his Keating Five experience, McCain said: "The appearance of it was wrong. It's a wrong appearance when a group of senators appear in a meeting with a group of regulators, because it conveys the impression of undue and improper influence. And it was the wrong thing to do."[78]

Federal regulators ultimately filed a $1.1 billion civil racketeering and fraud suit against Keating. The five senators came under investigation for attempting to influence the regulators. In the end, none of the senators were charged with any crime, although McCain was rebuked by the Senate"

Should or should not be, he almost certainly will be. If you think white Republicans are going to forget about this thing with the reverand, think again. I think the base might just have been stimulated. And if the Super Delegates give the nomination to Hillary, about a third of their party will sit out in protest. Although... After this mess, maybe the democrat electorate who supported Obama would understand the move. Yes, indeed. It was the Democrats election to lose, and...

Dale - You are absolutely correct. The Republican base was flat during this entire political season, but I suspect that will come to a dead end come the general election (or even beforehand). Mark my words, the Democrats are in serious, serious trouble. This will linger for months and the Democrats are in for a bumpy ride til the finish. Hang on...!!!

Obama talking about Imus.

I GOT TWO DAUGHTERS? Avoiding the reality of his statements says alot about some ppls denial of the truth! Make more excuses! cmon I wanna hear them.

CarlsMarc - I hear ya! It's hard to turn a blind eye to the glaring bias and hypocracy in his position. Wrong is wrong! Period... I thought the exact same thing when I heard this again and evaluated that to his semi-sweet condemning of Rev. Wright. I believe that his run for the presidency has hit a brick wall. Sen. Obama is finish and Sen. Clinton is not electable. Game over!!!

Thanks for the recognition, Sheriff. The denial is killin me.

Edited March 20, 2008 by CarolsMarc

[Don_Joy's Prince 0]

Carolsmarc, I too think it is hypocritical, but these people are blinded by the cult of personality of Mr. Obama. Nothing you can show them will dissuade them from from following the pied piper of Chicago.