How much do you really know about your MENA man?

[brnidokiegurl 0]

Its also easier to be truly alone with just yourself there, than to be alone with someone else sitting with you (think about it)

[Imua 0]

I am at this point that I think the women who are getting used prefer to be used than be alone...

the same for men. as ann landers once said, it's better to be alone than wish you were.

True - just look at some of the stories on the Russia forum... Those 'ladies' are extremely organized about the whole scam, have websites where they collaborate, lawyers who help them take advantage of VAWA, etc. So it's not just a matter of us 'poor ugly unwanted fat divorced old etc. etc. etc.' women being taken advantage of. You can't blame anyone for wanting love in their life, and (going out on a limb here) for whatever reasons for some people it is easier to find someone compatible overseas. Unfortunately it does carry risks that a marriage with an American does not, and each of us needs to think long and hard whether it is worth it.

[yaziedandlisa 0]

Hi Tammy,

First of all, I'm sorry about waht happening to you, I know you desereve the best as I also know everyone does.

My advise to you as MENA ( Moroccan Man), Please don't listen to anyone from VJ telling you what to do, nobody knows your man better than you, My wife showed me this thread and I was curious to ask WAHRANIA.

If you had such a bad experience with MENA before, why did you have the attention to marry another man from MENA?.

How easy for you to make conclusions (bad conclusions) ?

Do you consider your self helping to build a relationship or help destroy it?

Please don't take it as a personnal attacks.

Am just trying here to make my point of view about VJs Threads. VJ can help you with Visa process and AOS but it can destroy your marriage as well if we listen to the negatives replies.

Tammy I know you a strong woman and I know the baby came for a reason and I know you guys met each for a reason.

Your husband need to feel that your close to him in this time more than ever talk to him about how he feels like:

what makes him feel this way? is he ready to be a father or not ? see a counseling? make a list of what you need him to help with? talk about the bills , let him share responsabilities.

And most of all that, make him feel that he is a good provider and a man make him feel that you and your family count on him, I'm sure things will make sense after you guys will talk to each other.

I know it is not easy but with baby coming it is worth a try.

WAHRANIA!!! I'm sorry to tell you this, after reading all your posts There is something wrong that I wish you can get some help to fix it otherwise you will be dumped sometimes soon.

And again don't take it as a personnal attacks.

Tammy:

I agree not all the men are good and also we have to agree that not all the women are good as well, we make mistakes. Nobody have a perfect relationship.

Don't make any decsion to harm you marriage, ( think about your angel).

[ I have had the same issues with my wife and now we are doing good together with counseling help]

And if you want to know all about it please E-mail me and I will let you talk to my wife she can also show you the thread how bad they talked about me.

Wish you all the best.

MKK

written by a moroccan about americans

Tberguat 21 November 2005 11:57 21 November 2005 11:57

If you see yourself you want to settle in this country and have a future here, I agree in marrying a US citizen just for green card, and suffer emotionally for couple years and secure your future..., things these days are only getting harder for the illigal immigrants, they even been called terrorists , because the paths to legalize yourself here are so long and uncertain. If your employer want to sponsor you it will take years and years I think between 7 to 10yrs and you have to stuck with that same employer for years with low pay and sometimes no benifits. If you have a US citizen child, he has to be 21yrs old before he/she can apply for you, so the only way is marriage!!

I remember back in the early nineties, the new comers had to find the least attractive woman in the city, all the 200lbs and up were married to Moroccan men, happy with their little toys just arrived from back home (skhoun) that he tells her horror stories about what had happened to him back home and how miserable he was back in Morocco so she'll love him and feel sorry for him and do all possible way for him not to get deported, and she will never dare to think visiting Morocco with him!! They use to call the period of their marriage "passer le service millitaire" ... If they see an ugly, old fat lady (shayta 3la 7babha) she will be perfect for lwri9at.

So, the only way to build a future here and be one of the crowd, go ahead do it, the only thing is the ugly, fat, old ladies 3a9o ..

Berguag: 31 | Fin saken daba? Wh

this is what do u think ? most of usa.. we r married for green cards,, as money on the streets in usa and waits some1 to collect,, most of ur thots are wrong WAHRANIA.. yes u started talking about mosques,,, then u said future is only in usa,, then u said guys started marrying fat old ugly ladies to get grren card... and those guys wont take those wives back to thier countries,, ur wrong,.... and consider this as attack... so u said all of mena men? why ur back to marry another mena man? did u met ALL of american women who married MENA men to say that? did you? ia m really so sorry for ur man ... and i am sure he wont spend more than 2 months with u before he leaves you!! haha ha

i am MENA man,, and i am living in jordan,, my daily wish is my wife to come in live with me in my country... u said the MENA culture is opposite of urs? what kind of opposite? u wanna go every weekend to a nite club get drunk and dance till morn? sure ur husband wont say yes!! even he is american,,, ur making big mistakes and i advice you to delete urself from this website cuz ur attacking many people and u mean it

yzd

[Beauty for Ashes 257]

I am at this point that I think the women who are getting used prefer to be used than be alone...

the same for men. as ann landers once said, it's better to be alone than wish you were.

True - just look at some of the stories on the Russia forum... Those 'ladies' are extremely organized about the whole scam, have websites where they collaborate, lawyers who help them take advantage of VAWA, etc. So it's not just a matter of us 'poor ugly unwanted fat divorced old etc. etc. etc.' women being taken advantage of. You can't blame anyone for wanting love in their life, and (going out on a limb here) for whatever reasons for some people it is easier to find someone compatible overseas. Unfortunately it does carry risks that a marriage with an American does not, and each of us needs to think long and hard whether it is worth it.

You cannot read things into your case...each one is individual.....the older younger relationships where there is healthy sexuality...and affection could be very real....this guy is mistreating her and ignoring her...Im pissed off about it...

The biggest thing is to not drag children through these antics...she has teens....this isnt fair to them...Im pregnant and I will tell you...if my husband acted like this.....and he is under my roof....Im kicking his #### out..The reality is my older kids and new baby dont deserve a piece of #### for a father...You dont have kids patti.....its only you on this journey

[Beauty for Ashes 257]

Hi Tammy,

First of all, I'm sorry about waht happening to you, I know you desereve the best as I also know everyone does.

My advise to you as MENA ( Moroccan Man), Please don't listen to anyone from VJ telling you what to do, nobody knows your man better than you, My wife showed me this thread and I was curious to ask WAHRANIA.

If you had such a bad experience with MENA before, why did you have the attention to marry another man from MENA?.

How easy for you to make conclusions (bad conclusions) ?

Do you consider your self helping to build a relationship or help destroy it?

Please don't take it as a personnal attacks.

Am just trying here to make my point of view about VJs Threads. VJ can help you with Visa process and AOS but it can destroy your marriage as well if we listen to the negatives replies.

Tammy I know you a strong woman and I know the baby came for a reason and I know you guys met each for a reason.

Your husband need to feel that your close to him in this time more than ever talk to him about how he feels like:

what makes him feel this way? is he ready to be a father or not ? see a counseling? make a list of what you need him to help with? talk about the bills , let him share responsabilities.

And most of all that, make him feel that he is a good provider and a man make him feel that you and your family count on him, I'm sure things will make sense after you guys will talk to each other.

I know it is not easy but with baby coming it is worth a try.

WAHRANIA!!! I'm sorry to tell you this, after reading all your posts There is something wrong that I wish you can get some help to fix it otherwise you will be dumped sometimes soon.

And again don't take it as a personnal attacks.

Tammy:

I agree not all the men are good and also we have to agree that not all the women are good as well, we make mistakes. Nobody have a perfect relationship.

Don't make any decsion to harm you marriage, ( think about your angel).

[ I have had the same issues with my wife and now we are doing good together with counseling help]

And if you want to know all about it please E-mail me and I will let you talk to my wife she can also show you the thread how bad they talked about me.

Wish you all the best.

MKK

written by a moroccan about americans

Tberguat 21 November 2005 11:57 21 November 2005 11:57

If you see yourself you want to settle in this country and have a future here, I agree in marrying a US citizen just for green card, and suffer emotionally for couple years and secure your future..., things these days are only getting harder for the illigal immigrants, they even been called terrorists , because the paths to legalize yourself here are so long and uncertain. If your employer want to sponsor you it will take years and years I think between 7 to 10yrs and you have to stuck with that same employer for years with low pay and sometimes no benifits. If you have a US citizen child, he has to be 21yrs old before he/she can apply for you, so the only way is marriage!!

I remember back in the early nineties, the new comers had to find the least attractive woman in the city, all the 200lbs and up were married to Moroccan men, happy with their little toys just arrived from back home (skhoun) that he tells her horror stories about what had happened to him back home and how miserable he was back in Morocco so she'll love him and feel sorry for him and do all possible way for him not to get deported, and she will never dare to think visiting Morocco with him!! They use to call the period of their marriage "passer le service millitaire" ... If they see an ugly, old fat lady (shayta 3la 7babha) she will be perfect for lwri9at.

So, the only way to build a future here and be one of the crowd, go ahead do it, the only thing is the ugly, fat, old ladies 3a9o ..

Berguag: 31 | Fin saken daba? Wh

this is what do u think ? most of usa.. we r married for green cards,, as money on the streets in usa and waits some1 to collect,, most of ur thots are wrong WAHRANIA.. yes u started talking about mosques,,, then u said future is only in usa,, then u said guys started marrying fat old ugly ladies to get grren card... and those guys wont take those wives back to thier countries,, ur wrong,.... and consider this as attack... so u said all of mena men? why ur back to marry another mena man? did u met ALL of american women who married MENA men to say that? did you? ia m really so sorry for ur man ... and i am sure he wont spend more than 2 months with u before he leaves you!! haha ha

i am MENA man,, and i am living in jordan,, my daily wish is my wife to come in live with me in my country... u said the MENA culture is opposite of urs? what kind of opposite? u wanna go every weekend to a nite club get drunk and dance till morn? sure ur husband wont say yes!! even he is american,,, ur making big mistakes and i advice you to delete urself from this website cuz ur attacking many people and u mean it

yzd

You dont get it..This isnt about you...You are close in age to your wife..You are having sex with her (I hope so)This isnt about you so butt out...You are interfering in something you know nothing about.She is 48 he is in his early 30s.He is chatting with other wome ,looking at porn and hasnt given her money and wont sleep with her....You need to stay out of this....You have no idea about what is going on and its not all mena men...

[yaziedandlisa 0]

Hi Tammy,

First of all, I'm sorry about waht happening to you, I know you desereve the best as I also know everyone does.

My advise to you as MENA ( Moroccan Man), Please don't listen to anyone from VJ telling you what to do, nobody knows your man better than you, My wife showed me this thread and I was curious to ask WAHRANIA.

If you had such a bad experience with MENA before, why did you have the attention to marry another man from MENA?.

How easy for you to make conclusions (bad conclusions) ?

Do you consider your self helping to build a relationship or help destroy it?

Please don't take it as a personnal attacks.

Am just trying here to make my point of view about VJs Threads. VJ can help you with Visa process and AOS but it can destroy your marriage as well if we listen to the negatives replies.

Tammy I know you a strong woman and I know the baby came for a reason and I know you guys met each for a reason.

Your husband need to feel that your close to him in this time more than ever talk to him about how he feels like:

what makes him feel this way? is he ready to be a father or not ? see a counseling? make a list of what you need him to help with? talk about the bills , let him share responsabilities.

And most of all that, make him feel that he is a good provider and a man make him feel that you and your family count on him, I'm sure things will make sense after you guys will talk to each other.

I know it is not easy but with baby coming it is worth a try.

WAHRANIA!!! I'm sorry to tell you this, after reading all your posts There is something wrong that I wish you can get some help to fix it otherwise you will be dumped sometimes soon.

And again don't take it as a personnal attacks.

Tammy:

I agree not all the men are good and also we have to agree that not all the women are good as well, we make mistakes. Nobody have a perfect relationship.

Don't make any decsion to harm you marriage, ( think about your angel).

[ I have had the same issues with my wife and now we are doing good together with counseling help]

And if you want to know all about it please E-mail me and I will let you talk to my wife she can also show you the thread how bad they talked about me.

Wish you all the best.

MKK

written by a moroccan about americans

Tberguat 21 November 2005 11:57 21 November 2005 11:57

If you see yourself you want to settle in this country and have a future here, I agree in marrying a US citizen just for green card, and suffer emotionally for couple years and secure your future..., things these days are only getting harder for the illigal immigrants, they even been called terrorists , because the paths to legalize yourself here are so long and uncertain. If your employer want to sponsor you it will take years and years I think between 7 to 10yrs and you have to stuck with that same employer for years with low pay and sometimes no benifits. If you have a US citizen child, he has to be 21yrs old before he/she can apply for you, so the only way is marriage!!

I remember back in the early nineties, the new comers had to find the least attractive woman in the city, all the 200lbs and up were married to Moroccan men, happy with their little toys just arrived from back home (skhoun) that he tells her horror stories about what had happened to him back home and how miserable he was back in Morocco so she'll love him and feel sorry for him and do all possible way for him not to get deported, and she will never dare to think visiting Morocco with him!! They use to call the period of their marriage "passer le service millitaire" ... If they see an ugly, old fat lady (shayta 3la 7babha) she will be perfect for lwri9at.

So, the only way to build a future here and be one of the crowd, go ahead do it, the only thing is the ugly, fat, old ladies 3a9o ..

Berguag: 31 | Fin saken daba? Wh

this is what do u think ? most of usa.. we r married for green cards,, as money on the streets in usa and waits some1 to collect,, most of ur thots are wrong WAHRANIA.. yes u started talking about mosques,,, then u said future is only in usa,, then u said guys started marrying fat old ugly ladies to get grren card... and those guys wont take those wives back to thier countries,, ur wrong,.... and consider this as attack... so u said all of mena men? why ur back to marry another mena man? did u met ALL of american women who married MENA men to say that? did you? ia m really so sorry for ur man ... and i am sure he wont spend more than 2 months with u before he leaves you!! haha ha

i am MENA man,, and i am living in jordan,, my daily wish is my wife to come in live with me in my country... u said the MENA culture is opposite of urs? what kind of opposite? u wanna go every weekend to a nite club get drunk and dance till morn? sure ur husband wont say yes!! even he is american,,, ur making big mistakes and i advice you to delete urself from this website cuz ur attacking many people and u mean it

yzd

You dont get it..This isnt about you...You are close in age to your wife..You are having sex with her (I hope so)This isnt about you so butt out...You are interfering in something you know nothing about.She is 48 he is in his early 30s.He is chatting with other wome ,looking at porn and hasnt given her money and wont sleep with her....You need to stay out of this....You have no idea about what is going on and its not all mena men...

why ur talking to me as i am a baby? huh? and who are u to say i have sex with my wife or not!! this is none of ur bussnies,,, ur the worset person ever on this website FYI.. and ill start collecting 1000 signtures to delte u from this website...

[Beauty for Ashes 257]

Hi Tammy,

First of all, I'm sorry about waht happening to you, I know you desereve the best as I also know everyone does.

My advise to you as MENA ( Moroccan Man), Please don't listen to anyone from VJ telling you what to do, nobody knows your man better than you, My wife showed me this thread and I was curious to ask WAHRANIA.

If you had such a bad experience with MENA before, why did you have the attention to marry another man from MENA?.

How easy for you to make conclusions (bad conclusions) ?

Do you consider your self helping to build a relationship or help destroy it?

Please don't take it as a personnal attacks.

Am just trying here to make my point of view about VJs Threads. VJ can help you with Visa process and AOS but it can destroy your marriage as well if we listen to the negatives replies.

Tammy I know you a strong woman and I know the baby came for a reason and I know you guys met each for a reason.

Your husband need to feel that your close to him in this time more than ever talk to him about how he feels like:

what makes him feel this way? is he ready to be a father or not ? see a counseling? make a list of what you need him to help with? talk about the bills , let him share responsabilities.

And most of all that, make him feel that he is a good provider and a man make him feel that you and your family count on him, I'm sure things will make sense after you guys will talk to each other.

I know it is not easy but with baby coming it is worth a try.

WAHRANIA!!! I'm sorry to tell you this, after reading all your posts There is something wrong that I wish you can get some help to fix it otherwise you will be dumped sometimes soon.

And again don't take it as a personnal attacks.

Tammy:

I agree not all the men are good and also we have to agree that not all the women are good as well, we make mistakes. Nobody have a perfect relationship.

Don't make any decsion to harm you marriage, ( think about your angel).

[ I have had the same issues with my wife and now we are doing good together with counseling help]

And if you want to know all about it please E-mail me and I will let you talk to my wife she can also show you the thread how bad they talked about me.

Wish you all the best.

MKK

written by a moroccan about americans

Tberguat 21 November 2005 11:57 21 November 2005 11:57

If you see yourself you want to settle in this country and have a future here, I agree in marrying a US citizen just for green card, and suffer emotionally for couple years and secure your future..., things these days are only getting harder for the illigal immigrants, they even been called terrorists , because the paths to legalize yourself here are so long and uncertain. If your employer want to sponsor you it will take years and years I think between 7 to 10yrs and you have to stuck with that same employer for years with low pay and sometimes no benifits. If you have a US citizen child, he has to be 21yrs old before he/she can apply for you, so the only way is marriage!!

I remember back in the early nineties, the new comers had to find the least attractive woman in the city, all the 200lbs and up were married to Moroccan men, happy with their little toys just arrived from back home (skhoun) that he tells her horror stories about what had happened to him back home and how miserable he was back in Morocco so she'll love him and feel sorry for him and do all possible way for him not to get deported, and she will never dare to think visiting Morocco with him!! They use to call the period of their marriage "passer le service millitaire" ... If they see an ugly, old fat lady (shayta 3la 7babha) she will be perfect for lwri9at.

So, the only way to build a future here and be one of the crowd, go ahead do it, the only thing is the ugly, fat, old ladies 3a9o ..

Berguag: 31 | Fin saken daba? Wh

this is what do u think ? most of usa.. we r married for green cards,, as money on the streets in usa and waits some1 to collect,, most of ur thots are wrong WAHRANIA.. yes u started talking about mosques,,, then u said future is only in usa,, then u said guys started marrying fat old ugly ladies to get grren card... and those guys wont take those wives back to thier countries,, ur wrong,.... and consider this as attack... so u said all of mena men? why ur back to marry another mena man? did u met ALL of american women who married MENA men to say that? did you? ia m really so sorry for ur man ... and i am sure he wont spend more than 2 months with u before he leaves you!! haha ha

i am MENA man,, and i am living in jordan,, my daily wish is my wife to come in live with me in my country... u said the MENA culture is opposite of urs? what kind of opposite? u wanna go every weekend to a nite club get drunk and dance till morn? sure ur husband wont say yes!! even he is american,,, ur making big mistakes and i advice you to delete urself from this website cuz ur attacking many people and u mean it

yzd

for your information hayati...this is a post from a moroccan website coaching moroccan men from a moroccan girl about why its ok to screw over american women for papers....Your little ####### countryman is hurting this american woman and she doesnt deserve it...we all know you love your wife....its very evident...look at your pics....Im sure youwont spend all your time chatting with other women and not helping her...This sharmoot is hurting her....no one thinks all mena men do this....And if my husband leaves me in 2 months he better read koran because if i catch him doing one of these things...wallahi....i will walk pregnant down the street and scream like a big jinniya...wallahi wallahi wallahi .............I see this sharmoot hurt someone soft like tammy.....and wallahi he will not see the sunshine in his life..........I am with an ALgerian.....and if he acts like a sharmoot and a scmatta...wallahi you dont see the hell I will do.........He loves me and he knows I am a big magnouna......

[Jenn! 918]

HAYATI-L,

What Wahrania thinks about your relationship really doesn't matter, does it? I'd suggest that you calm down - everyone is entitled to an opinion, however wrong you may think it is.

I have to say that as far as Tammy's situation goes, I agree with Wahrania. There is nothing there that suggests to me that she should give him the benefit of the doubt, when she has her kids to think about as well. Of course, no one here is in Tammy's shoes.

[Beauty for Ashes 257]

Hi Tammy,

First of all, I'm sorry about waht happening to you, I know you desereve the best as I also know everyone does.

My advise to you as MENA ( Moroccan Man), Please don't listen to anyone from VJ telling you what to do, nobody knows your man better than you, My wife showed me this thread and I was curious to ask WAHRANIA.

If you had such a bad experience with MENA before, why did you have the attention to marry another man from MENA?.

How easy for you to make conclusions (bad conclusions) ?

Do you consider your self helping to build a relationship or help destroy it?

Please don't take it as a personnal attacks.

Am just trying here to make my point of view about VJs Threads. VJ can help you with Visa process and AOS but it can destroy your marriage as well if we listen to the negatives replies.

Tammy I know you a strong woman and I know the baby came for a reason and I know you guys met each for a reason.

Your husband need to feel that your close to him in this time more than ever talk to him about how he feels like:

what makes him feel this way? is he ready to be a father or not ? see a counseling? make a list of what you need him to help with? talk about the bills , let him share responsabilities.

And most of all that, make him feel that he is a good provider and a man make him feel that you and your family count on him, I'm sure things will make sense after you guys will talk to each other.

I know it is not easy but with baby coming it is worth a try.

WAHRANIA!!! I'm sorry to tell you this, after reading all your posts There is something wrong that I wish you can get some help to fix it otherwise you will be dumped sometimes soon.

And again don't take it as a personnal attacks.

Tammy:

I agree not all the men are good and also we have to agree that not all the women are good as well, we make mistakes. Nobody have a perfect relationship.

Don't make any decsion to harm you marriage, ( think about your angel).

[ I have had the same issues with my wife and now we are doing good together with counseling help]

And if you want to know all about it please E-mail me and I will let you talk to my wife she can also show you the thread how bad they talked about me.

Wish you all the best.

MKK

written by a moroccan about americans

Tberguat 21 November 2005 11:57 21 November 2005 11:57

If you see yourself you want to settle in this country and have a future here, I agree in marrying a US citizen just for green card, and suffer emotionally for couple years and secure your future..., things these days are only getting harder for the illigal immigrants, they even been called terrorists , because the paths to legalize yourself here are so long and uncertain. If your employer want to sponsor you it will take years and years I think between 7 to 10yrs and you have to stuck with that same employer for years with low pay and sometimes no benifits. If you have a US citizen child, he has to be 21yrs old before he/she can apply for you, so the only way is marriage!!

I remember back in the early nineties, the new comers had to find the least attractive woman in the city, all the 200lbs and up were married to Moroccan men, happy with their little toys just arrived from back home (skhoun) that he tells her horror stories about what had happened to him back home and how miserable he was back in Morocco so she'll love him and feel sorry for him and do all possible way for him not to get deported, and she will never dare to think visiting Morocco with him!! They use to call the period of their marriage "passer le service millitaire" ... If they see an ugly, old fat lady (shayta 3la 7babha) she will be perfect for lwri9at.

So, the only way to build a future here and be one of the crowd, go ahead do it, the only thing is the ugly, fat, old ladies 3a9o ..

Berguag: 31 | Fin saken daba? Wh

this is what do u think ? most of usa.. we r married for green cards,, as money on the streets in usa and waits some1 to collect,, most of ur thots are wrong WAHRANIA.. yes u started talking about mosques,,, then u said future is only in usa,, then u said guys started marrying fat old ugly ladies to get grren card... and those guys wont take those wives back to thier countries,, ur wrong,.... and consider this as attack... so u said all of mena men? why ur back to marry another mena man? did u met ALL of american women who married MENA men to say that? did you? ia m really so sorry for ur man ... and i am sure he wont spend more than 2 months with u before he leaves you!! haha ha

i am MENA man,, and i am living in jordan,, my daily wish is my wife to come in live with me in my country... u said the MENA culture is opposite of urs? what kind of opposite? u wanna go every weekend to a nite club get drunk and dance till morn? sure ur husband wont say yes!! even he is american,,, ur making big mistakes and i advice you to delete urself from this website cuz ur attacking many people and u mean it

yzd

You dont get it..This isnt about you...You are close in age to your wife..You are having sex with her (I hope so)This isnt about you so butt out...You are interfering in something you know nothing about.She is 48 he is in his early 30s.He is chatting with other wome ,looking at porn and hasnt given her money and wont sleep with her....You need to stay out of this....You have no idea about what is going on and its not all mena men...

why ur talking to me as i am a baby? huh? and who are u to say i have sex with my wife or not!! this is none of ur bussnies,,, ur the worset person ever on this website FYI.. and ill start collecting 1000 signtures to delte u from this website...

itsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss not about you.................................you dont get it...and you want to terrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrriseeeeeeeeeeeeeeee me off my american immigration board because i feel what is happening to a woman i care about is wronnggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg.......this is our boards...and you arettttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt listening

[deadbird 2]

Tammy--

I'm saddened to read this. You & Jackie stayed up with me almost the whole night when Ramy had his interview and I remember you telling me so much about you and him and your situation, and even though we haven't talked much since then because neither one of us has really been around VJ much, I'm really sorry to see this posted.

I'll join the rest of the people in saying you should report him to USCIS. You won't be getting revenge, but you will be doing the right thing.

--hugs--

[yaziedandlisa 0]

Hi Tammy,

First of all, I'm sorry about waht happening to you, I know you desereve the best as I also know everyone does.

My advise to you as MENA ( Moroccan Man), Please don't listen to anyone from VJ telling you what to do, nobody knows your man better than you, My wife showed me this thread and I was curious to ask WAHRANIA.

If you had such a bad experience with MENA before, why did you have the attention to marry another man from MENA?.

How easy for you to make conclusions (bad conclusions) ?

Do you consider your self helping to build a relationship or help destroy it?

Please don't take it as a personnal attacks.

Am just trying here to make my point of view about VJs Threads. VJ can help you with Visa process and AOS but it can destroy your marriage as well if we listen to the negatives replies.

Tammy I know you a strong woman and I know the baby came for a reason and I know you guys met each for a reason.

Your husband need to feel that your close to him in this time more than ever talk to him about how he feels like:

what makes him feel this way? is he ready to be a father or not ? see a counseling? make a list of what you need him to help with? talk about the bills , let him share responsabilities.

And most of all that, make him feel that he is a good provider and a man make him feel that you and your family count on him, I'm sure things will make sense after you guys will talk to each other.

I know it is not easy but with baby coming it is worth a try.

WAHRANIA!!! I'm sorry to tell you this, after reading all your posts There is something wrong that I wish you can get some help to fix it otherwise you will be dumped sometimes soon.

And again don't take it as a personnal attacks.

Tammy:

I agree not all the men are good and also we have to agree that not all the women are good as well, we make mistakes. Nobody have a perfect relationship.

Don't make any decsion to harm you marriage, ( think about your angel).

[ I have had the same issues with my wife and now we are doing good together with counseling help]

And if you want to know all about it please E-mail me and I will let you talk to my wife she can also show you the thread how bad they talked about me.

Wish you all the best.

MKK

written by a moroccan about americans

Tberguat 21 November 2005 11:57 21 November 2005 11:57

If you see yourself you want to settle in this country and have a future here, I agree in marrying a US citizen just for green card, and suffer emotionally for couple years and secure your future..., things these days are only getting harder for the illigal immigrants, they even been called terrorists , because the paths to legalize yourself here are so long and uncertain. If your employer want to sponsor you it will take years and years I think between 7 to 10yrs and you have to stuck with that same employer for years with low pay and sometimes no benifits. If you have a US citizen child, he has to be 21yrs old before he/she can apply for you, so the only way is marriage!!

I remember back in the early nineties, the new comers had to find the least attractive woman in the city, all the 200lbs and up were married to Moroccan men, happy with their little toys just arrived from back home (skhoun) that he tells her horror stories about what had happened to him back home and how miserable he was back in Morocco so she'll love him and feel sorry for him and do all possible way for him not to get deported, and she will never dare to think visiting Morocco with him!! They use to call the period of their marriage "passer le service millitaire" ... If they see an ugly, old fat lady (shayta 3la 7babha) she will be perfect for lwri9at.

So, the only way to build a future here and be one of the crowd, go ahead do it, the only thing is the ugly, fat, old ladies 3a9o ..

Berguag: 31 | Fin saken daba? Wh

this is what do u think ? most of usa.. we r married for green cards,, as money on the streets in usa and waits some1 to collect,, most of ur thots are wrong WAHRANIA.. yes u started talking about mosques,,, then u said future is only in usa,, then u said guys started marrying fat old ugly ladies to get grren card... and those guys wont take those wives back to thier countries,, ur wrong,.... and consider this as attack... so u said all of mena men? why ur back to marry another mena man? did u met ALL of american women who married MENA men to say that? did you? ia m really so sorry for ur man ... and i am sure he wont spend more than 2 months with u before he leaves you!! haha ha

i am MENA man,, and i am living in jordan,, my daily wish is my wife to come in live with me in my country... u said the MENA culture is opposite of urs? what kind of opposite? u wanna go every weekend to a nite club get drunk and dance till morn? sure ur husband wont say yes!! even he is american,,, ur making big mistakes and i advice you to delete urself from this website cuz ur attacking many people and u mean it

yzd

for your information hayati...this is a post from a moroccan website coaching moroccan men from a moroccan girl about why its ok to screw over american women for papers....Your little ####### countryman is hurting this american woman and she doesnt deserve it...we all know you love your wife....its very evident...look at your pics....Im sure youwont spend all your time chatting with other women and not helping her...This sharmoot is hurting her....no one thinks all mena men do this....And if my husband leaves me in 2 months he better read koran because if i catch him doing one of these things...wallahi....i will walk pregnant down the street and scream like a big jinniya...wallahi wallahi wallahi .............I see this sharmoot hurt someone soft like tammy.....and wallahi he will not see the sunshine in his life..........I am with an ALgerian.....and if he acts like a sharmoot and a scmatta...wallahi you dont see the hell I will do.........He loves me and he knows I am a big magnouna......

DUH!!! AND A VERY DIRTY TONGUE U HAVE,.,, HE IS SO LUCKY

[desert_fox 32]

why ur talking to me as i am a baby? huh? and who are u to say i have sex with my wife or not!! this is none of ur bussnies,,, ur the worset person ever on this website FYI.. and ill start collecting 1000 signtures to delte u from this website...

hahaha...

you mean a petition??? I wont sign it.

I must say though that all that is happening in this thread are things of the heart...sometimes a self-denial where you refuse to see the truth of it all. But, you get so emotionally involved, and your heart is on the line, that you just dont to see or believe it. Its hard and Ive been there...hope that what ever you do is the right thing for the sake of your well being and that of your children.

[Beauty for Ashes 257]

Hi Tammy,

First of all, I'm sorry about waht happening to you, I know you desereve the best as I also know everyone does.

My advise to you as MENA ( Moroccan Man), Please don't listen to anyone from VJ telling you what to do, nobody knows your man better than you, My wife showed me this thread and I was curious to ask WAHRANIA.

If you had such a bad experience with MENA before, why did you have the attention to marry another man from MENA?.

How easy for you to make conclusions (bad conclusions) ?

Do you consider your self helping to build a relationship or help destroy it?

Please don't take it as a personnal attacks.

Am just trying here to make my point of view about VJs Threads. VJ can help you with Visa process and AOS but it can destroy your marriage as well if we listen to the negatives replies.

Tammy I know you a strong woman and I know the baby came for a reason and I know you guys met each for a reason.

Your husband need to feel that your close to him in this time more than ever talk to him about how he feels like:

what makes him feel this way? is he ready to be a father or not ? see a counseling? make a list of what you need him to help with? talk about the bills , let him share responsabilities.

And most of all that, make him feel that he is a good provider and a man make him feel that you and your family count on him, I'm sure things will make sense after you guys will talk to each other.

I know it is not easy but with baby coming it is worth a try.

WAHRANIA!!! I'm sorry to tell you this, after reading all your posts There is something wrong that I wish you can get some help to fix it otherwise you will be dumped sometimes soon.

And again don't take it as a personnal attacks.

Tammy:

I agree not all the men are good and also we have to agree that not all the women are good as well, we make mistakes. Nobody have a perfect relationship.

Don't make any decsion to harm you marriage, ( think about your angel).

[ I have had the same issues with my wife and now we are doing good together with counseling help]

And if you want to know all about it please E-mail me and I will let you talk to my wife she can also show you the thread how bad they talked about me.

Wish you all the best.

MKK

written by a moroccan about americans

Tberguat 21 November 2005 11:57 21 November 2005 11:57

If you see yourself you want to settle in this country and have a future here, I agree in marrying a US citizen just for green card, and suffer emotionally for couple years and secure your future..., things these days are only getting harder for the illigal immigrants, they even been called terrorists , because the paths to legalize yourself here are so long and uncertain. If your employer want to sponsor you it will take years and years I think between 7 to 10yrs and you have to stuck with that same employer for years with low pay and sometimes no benifits. If you have a US citizen child, he has to be 21yrs old before he/she can apply for you, so the only way is marriage!!

I remember back in the early nineties, the new comers had to find the least attractive woman in the city, all the 200lbs and up were married to Moroccan men, happy with their little toys just arrived from back home (skhoun) that he tells her horror stories about what had happened to him back home and how miserable he was back in Morocco so she'll love him and feel sorry for him and do all possible way for him not to get deported, and she will never dare to think visiting Morocco with him!! They use to call the period of their marriage "passer le service millitaire" ... If they see an ugly, old fat lady (shayta 3la 7babha) she will be perfect for lwri9at.

So, the only way to build a future here and be one of the crowd, go ahead do it, the only thing is the ugly, fat, old ladies 3a9o ..

Berguag: 31 | Fin saken daba? Wh

this is what do u think ? most of usa.. we r married for green cards,, as money on the streets in usa and waits some1 to collect,, most of ur thots are wrong WAHRANIA.. yes u started talking about mosques,,, then u said future is only in usa,, then u said guys started marrying fat old ugly ladies to get grren card... and those guys wont take those wives back to thier countries,, ur wrong,.... and consider this as attack... so u said all of mena men? why ur back to marry another mena man? did u met ALL of american women who married MENA men to say that? did you? ia m really so sorry for ur man ... and i am sure he wont spend more than 2 months with u before he leaves you!! haha ha

i am MENA man,, and i am living in jordan,, my daily wish is my wife to come in live with me in my country... u said the MENA culture is opposite of urs? what kind of opposite? u wanna go every weekend to a nite club get drunk and dance till morn? sure ur husband wont say yes!! even he is american,,, ur making big mistakes and i advice you to delete urself from this website cuz ur attacking many people and u mean it

yzd

You dont get it..This isnt about you...You are close in age to your wife..You are having sex with her (I hope so)This isnt about you so butt out...You are interfering in something you know nothing about.She is 48 he is in his early 30s.He is chatting with other wome ,looking at porn and hasnt given her money and wont sleep with her....You need to stay out of this....You have no idea about what is going on and its not all mena men...

why ur talking to me as i am a baby? huh? and who are u to say i have sex with my wife or not!! this is none of ur bussnies,,, ur the worset person ever on this website FYI.. and ill start collecting 1000 signtures to delte u from this website...

You are not a baby...You are also not doing immigration fraud against your wife....And 20000000000 million people terrorising me will not stop me from protecting my friends...I am muslima..The fact is that he is being coached and helped to hurt this poor woman...Not all mena men do this......You have a real marriage..I remember your posts before you were even married....To marry a woman and not sleep with her is against Islam....Its not about you or anyone else...Its about telling the truth to someone you care about TAMMY who lost her mom this year and is now being victimised by a con artist and his friends are coaching him how to get over on her...................

[yaziedandlisa 0]

I AM READY TO TALK TO TAMMY HUSBAND IF SHE GAVE ME A PHONE NOMBER,,,, AND FOR EVERY1 I DID THAT TO WAHRANIA CUZ SHE STARTED TALKING ABOUT MOSQUES,,, AND I DONT SAY I AM WITH THAT GUY CUZ HE IS FROM MY COUNTRY!!! HE DID WRONG!! AND IF HE DIDNT LIKE USA THEN COME BACK TO UR FAMILY YA MAN!!! DONT WASTE THE WOMAN'S TIME AND UR TIME TOO... AND ITS BAD CHOICE TO SPEND ALL THAT TIME WAITING FOR PAPERS AND STUFF THEN DISAPPOINT UR WIFE AFTER ALL OF THAT!!

I AM READY TO TALK TO TAMMY HUSBAND IF SHE GAVE ME A PHONE NOMBER,,,, AND FOR EVERY1 I DID THAT TO WAHRANIA CUZ SHE STARTED TALKING ABOUT MOSQUES,,, AND I DONT SAY I AM WITH THAT GUY CUZ HE IS FROM MY COUNTRY!!! HE DID WRONG!! AND IF HE DIDNT LIKE USA THEN COME BACK TO UR FAMILY YA MAN!!! DONT WASTE THE WOMAN'S TIME AND UR TIME TOO... AND ITS BAD CHOICE TO SPEND ALL THAT TIME WAITING FOR PAPERS AND STUFF THEN DISAPPOINT UR WIFE AFTER ALL OF THAT!!

[Ban Hammer 13,112]

ur the worset person ever on this website FYI.. and ill start collecting 1000 signtures to delte u from this website...

this is not a popularity contest where the least favorite gets voted off the island.