Pelosi dismisses Obama-Clinton or Clinton-Obama as 'impossible'

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Steven,

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I had watched the Wizard of Oz as a child so many times, I never wanted to see it again, but awhile ago, I got a glimpse of parts of the movie and rediscovered the powerful metaphors within it. I can understand why it had such mass appeal for both young and old. There's something in it for everyone.

Yeah. Specially with a wizard that takes his subjects for fools...

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Wasn't it really supposed to be about the oil industry or something? Or about capitalism? Wow I'm too lazy even to google.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

I had watched the Wizard of Oz as a child so many times, I never wanted to see it again, but awhile ago, I got a glimpse of parts of the movie and rediscovered the powerful metaphors within it. I can understand why it had such mass appeal for both young and old. There's something in it for everyone.

Yeah. Specially with a wizard that takes his subjects for fools...

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Which is it? Last I checked the voters from FL & MI haven't been heard from (legally)...

Pelosi: Florida And Michigan Delegates Shouldn't Decide Race

Delegates from the disputed Florida and Michigan primaries shouldn't decide who wins the party's presidential nomination, said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the chair of the Democratic National Convention.

"I don't think that any states that operated outside the rules of the party can be dispositive of who the nominee is,'' Pelosi said in an interview on Bloomberg Television's "Political Capital with Al Hunt,'' scheduled to be aired today.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/15/p...hi_n_86951.html

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Dems weigh lengthy fight to nomination

WASHINGTON (CNN) — Congressional Democrats settled in Wednesday for an extended fight to the presidential nomination after Tuesday's primaries failed to produce a clear frontrunner, while at least one Democratic leader urged party officials to let the electoral process take its course.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said now is not the time for party officials to wade into the fight over the Democratic presidential nomination.

"I think the electoral process has to work its way," she told reporters. "There are still many voters unheard from yet, and I think that our candidates both have the capacity to inspire, to bring out a big vote that will hold us in good stead in November, and I think that now is not the time for anybody to weigh in."

Many party officials are superdelegates, but Pelosi aides said that the speaker was cautioning party officials against pushing for a quick end to the nomination process rather than warning any who are superdelegates not to commit to a candidate.

Pelosi said she is confident the nominee will be decided before the Democratic convention in August.

She said she was "never among those who believed this would be resolved by now," and argued that the prolonged campaign is good for the party, offering Democrats a chance to "make a clear distinction" about their differences with Republicans on a range of issues.

She pointed to Iraq, noting the Democratic candidates are talking about "responsible redeployment versus a 100-year-war that Senator McCain has spoken about."

She was referring to McCain's comment that even after fighting ends, U.S. troops might remain in Iraq for up to 100 years, just as U.S. troops have remained in South Korea for more than half a century after the fighting there stopped.

House Democratic Caucus Chairman Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill., also hammered McCain on Iraq, saying, "Under President Bush and with John McCain's support, America's economy has been hijacked by Iraq and our investment there."

Democratic senators joined Pelosi in appearing confident the party will unite behind the eventual nominee and being largely unconcerned about the prospects of a lengthy battle.

"I don't think it's a bad thing," said Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., a former candidate who said the race is "far from over."

"At the end of the day we will unite to prevent another Republican from making it in the White House," he said.

Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., agreed. "Most of us think that (Sen. John) McCain is nothing but a third term for (President) Bush," he said. "That in of itself should unite the party."

Other Senate Democrats said that so long as Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama don't turn too negative against each other, the extended campaign could help whoever wins the nomination.

"We know the (Republican) attack machine is going to go after them in the general election. So to have the strongest candidate battle-tested is a good thing," said Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., a Clinton supporter. "Obviously we don't want the fighting to get too sharp-edged, but so far so good."

Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb., an Obama supporter, said a lot of people are "wringing their hands" like Hamlet. But he called that "premature."

"Competition is good," he said. "All the media attention, until whatever date this is over, will be about Obama-Clinton and Sen. McCain is standing on the side saying, 'what about me?'"

But one Democratic senator, Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota, said she is already concerned the campaign has become too nasty.

"I just think we're going to have to be very careful that these two candidates don't tear each other apart because both are worthy, worthy people and would make excellent presidents," she said. "I was concerned about what we saw in the last week."

Sen. John Tester, D-Mont., said a lengthy fight for the nomination has the potential to divide the party, but he said he is confident Obama and Clinton will be "as professional as possible."

Tester said he has yet to endorse a candidate. He said he will base his decision in part on the popular vote from the June Montana primary, but will also weigh who he thinks has the best chance to beat McCain in the general election.

Sen. Robert Menendez, D-N.J., argued Clinton is the best for the general election because she has done so well with Latino voters and has won key big states.

"I don't know how it is possible to win the general election if you cannot win in the Southwest, if you can't win Ohio, places like Florida," he said. "These are the key places to win the electoral vote."

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The "judgmental" comment is not worth addressing, as it's the blackety-black mc-black pot calling the kettle black.

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Just like at least I believe... you first have a candidate you personally support like, then you either support that candidate OR you endorse the other if that other person wins in order to play the party line. It is unfortunate some people have personal vendettas that are plain old petty when it comes to supporting (or not) either of the two candidates.

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Who's got a vendetta? I always wanted one of those, what colour is it?

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Who's got a vendetta? I always wanted one of those, what colour is it?

some guy named "v" i think it's red too.

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War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength

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Who's got a vendetta? I always wanted one of those, what colour is it?

some guy named "v" i think it's red too.

I actually saw the flick after there was some discussion here about it... and besides the whole Guy Fawkes stuff it was surprisingly good.

But for PH... the vendetta is not yours to have.

[GaryC 7]

Is anyone else having a good time watching the democratic party implode? I know I am. I wonder if they now regret the idea of superdelegates?

I heard an observation today. If the dems can't run a primary any better than this what makes them think they can run the country any better?

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Wow, so few people remember the Wizard of Oz?

Do you know, Rey hasn't actually seen it yet? I think a Clockwork Orange-style viewing session is in order...

We have it - it is a good film and the flying monkeys are pretty frightening. Alice in Wonderland still tops it for sheer weirdness, plus the incredible amount of drug references.

I also like the Disney sequel from 1985 - with Fairuza Balk.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I had watched the Wizard of Oz as a child so many times, I never wanted to see it again, but awhile ago, I got a glimpse of parts of the movie and rediscovered the powerful metaphors within it. I can understand why it had such mass appeal for both young and old. There's something in it for everyone.

Check out the original Charlie and the chocolate factory. Its full of subversive imagery - including large pink pipes spraying white foam and trays full of brightly colored pills.

[Dan J 277]

Is anyone else having a good time watching the democratic party implode? I know I am. I wonder if they now regret the idea of superdelegates?

I heard an observation today. If the dems can't run a primary any better than this what makes them think they can run the country any better?

Is the electoral collage style better? Thats basically what the Republican party uses.

McCain won the early races without a majority of the party support. Is that better?

DNC Superdelegates = Unpleadged RNC delegates. If the Republican race was closer, you can bet they would come into play.