Geraldine Ferarro lets her emotions do the talking

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Btw, whats with the Kool-aid thing? i love kool-aid

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Duh. It was a small town Cali speaking engagement that would have NEVER made national news but hey, anything to dirty the waters...

Why do you insist on taking this stuff so personally?

Its a presidential nomination campaign - none of this is surprising, new or outrageous.

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And Obama won Miss. based on race. Fact.

And Hillary pulled in her Texas delegates based on going after the Latino vote. Fact.

so?

So?

Here's what amazes me about this.

Your candidate played the race card (to her advantage) to gain votes. The votes of people who likely have kin who have been roundly criticized and condemned by you in this forum.

So my first question to you is - why do you support a candidate who is using a block of voters you have so much disdain for?

And why is it all right for her to play BOTH the Latino and Black race cards, not to mention her gender race card - at all?

Unless playing the race card is OK as long as it gets a person what they want.

Everytime there's so much as a whiff of that behavior from the Obama camp, you're all over it like flies on doo-doo.

[no name 1]

Which position are you arguing? That the media have been soft on Obama because he is black (and therefore to avoid allegations of racism) or that Obama is doing so well amongst voters because he is black? Or both?

Probably both. But the media has been tougher lately on O in general, which I'm happy about.

So, you think that Obama is doing well because he is black. Is Hillary still in the running because she is a woman?

Am I right in detecting an implication from you that the media are harder on Hillary because she is a woman? Not due to the quote Ferraro gave ("Some just don't like her.")?

Have you seen the SNL clips? And the subsequent media effect?

Is there an answer in here somewhere?

VJ Sheesh.

SNL made some funny sketches that showed the blind media love for Obama - 2 weeks in a row. The media then toughened up the next week,. Coincidence? Perhaps, but perhaps not.

Still very interesting. But not what I asked.

Do you think Hillary is still in the running because she is a woman?

If the media is (perceived to be) tougher on Hillary, why is that automatically taken to be sexism?

I think Hillary is in the running because people like her (over Obama). Bottom line. The voting shows that. Is he ahead, yes. But it is not a landslide by anyone, anywhere. This country is definitely split.

If it is pointed out, why is automatically DENIED that it's sexist? Or racist in Obama's case? Sexism is acceptable in politics apparently.

What's a bigger 'first'? A woman president or a black one? Just asking.

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He can say he won't play the name-calling game, but he certainly is.....

Obama: Ferraro dividing Democrats

Illinois senator accuses former v.p. candidate of 'slice and dice' politics

WASHINGTON - Democratic Sen. Barack Obama assailed as "slice and dice" politics Geraldine Ferraro's assertion that he wouldn't be where he is in the presidential race if he weren't black.

The back-and-forth between the two Democratic trailblazers — Obama, seeking to be the nation's first black president, and Ferraro, who was the first woman on a major party presidential ticket in 1984 — continued for a second day as they made appearances on network and cable morning news programs.

"Part of what I think Geraldine Ferraro is doing, and I respect the fact that she was a trailblazer, is to participate in the kind of slice and dice politics that's about race and about gender and about this and that, and that's what Americans are tired of because they recognize that when we divide ourselves in that way we can't solve problems," Obama said on NBC's "Today" show.

Ferraro, who was Walter Mondale's vice presidential running mate, said Wednesday that her remarks were not racist and had been taken out of context. She accused Obama's campaign of twisting her remarks to undercut his rival for the Democratic nomination, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

"I was talking about historic candidacies and what I started off by saying (was that) if you go back to 1984 and look at my historic candidacy, which I had just talked about all these things, in 1984 if my name was Gerard Ferraro instead of Geraldine Ferraro, I would have never been chosen as a vice presidential candidate," Ferraro said on ABC's "Good Morning America." "It had nothing to do with my qualification."

Ferraro said she has a 40-year history of opposing discrimination of all kinds, including race, and that she was outraged at criticism of her remarks by David Axelrod, Obama's chief media strategist, because he knows her and her record.

"David Axelrod, his campaign manager, has chose to spin this as a racist comment because everytime anybody makes a comment about race who is white — he did it with Bill Clinton, he was successful; he did it with (Pennsylvania governor and Clinton supporter) Ed Rendell, he was less successful; and he is certainly not going to be successful with me," Ferraro told CBS' "The Early Show." "He should have called me up ... He knows I'm not racist."

The controversy began Tuesday when the national media picked up on comments Ferraro made in an interview last week with the Daily Breeze newspaper in Torrance, Calif.: "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept."

Ferraro said she stands by her assertion that Obama's success in the Democratic campaign is due "in part" to his race.

Obama, however, said that if someone in his campaign had suggested that Hillary Clinton "is where she is only because she is a woman" she would be offended.

Clinton has said she disagrees with Ferraro's remarks. In an interview with The Associated Press, she said, "It's regrettable that any of our supporters — on both sides, because we both have this experience — say things that kind of veer off into the personal."

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Where's the namecalling?

He surely has a right to respond to statements made against him and his campaign...

Still I do think these comments are being given a lot more attention than they're really worth. He's right in the sense that the only purpose it appears to serve is a divisive one. Noone's talking about policy ideas because they're fixated on this issues of presentation.

Just yesterday, his camp was calling for HC to drop Ferraro & making a big to-do about it, even after Clinton called them regrettable.

David Axelrod called on the New York senator to drop former New York Rep. Geraldine Ferraro from her finance committee. "When you wink and nod at offensive statements you're really sending a signal to your supporters that anything goes," said Axelrod.

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(CNN) – Clinton Campaign Manager Maggie Williams said Tuesday that Obama campaign is making "false, personal and politically calculated attacks" over supporter Geraldine Ferraro's controversial comment that the Illinois senator is only in contention because of his race.

"This campaign should be about the leadership we need for a better future and these attacks serve only to divide the Democratic Party and the American people," Williams said in a statement sent to reporters.

Ferraro, the Democratic Party's vice presidential nominee in 1984, told the (Torrance, California) Daily Breeze that "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept."

The Williams statement came a few hours after Obama senior strategist David Axelrod told reporters that Ferraro's recent remarks were part of "an insidious pattern that needs to be addressed."

"When you wink and nod at offensive statements you're really sending a signal to your supporters that anything goes," he also said.

Obama himself also issued a statement on the Ferraro's comments Tuesday afternoon, calling them divisive and 'patently absurd.'

So what? Its par for the course in this race isn't it?

Perhaps I'm missing the point here about why this suddenly so outrageous.

It has nothing to do with what either of the candidates stand for - its just muddying the waters and distracting from policy issues that they should be campaigning on.

If this drags on for a week or more there might be some traction to it - but my guess is that this will fall off the radar before the week is out.

He can say he won't play the name-calling game, but he certainly is.....

Obama: Ferraro dividing Democrats

Illinois senator accuses former v.p. candidate of 'slice and dice' politics

WASHINGTON - Democratic Sen. Barack Obama assailed as "slice and dice" politics Geraldine Ferraro's assertion that he wouldn't be where he is in the presidential race if he weren't black.

The back-and-forth between the two Democratic trailblazers — Obama, seeking to be the nation's first black president, and Ferraro, who was the first woman on a major party presidential ticket in 1984 — continued for a second day as they made appearances on network and cable morning news programs.

"Part of what I think Geraldine Ferraro is doing, and I respect the fact that she was a trailblazer, is to participate in the kind of slice and dice politics that's about race and about gender and about this and that, and that's what Americans are tired of because they recognize that when we divide ourselves in that way we can't solve problems," Obama said on NBC's "Today" show.

Ferraro, who was Walter Mondale's vice presidential running mate, said Wednesday that her remarks were not racist and had been taken out of context. She accused Obama's campaign of twisting her remarks to undercut his rival for the Democratic nomination, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

"I was talking about historic candidacies and what I started off by saying (was that) if you go back to 1984 and look at my historic candidacy, which I had just talked about all these things, in 1984 if my name was Gerard Ferraro instead of Geraldine Ferraro, I would have never been chosen as a vice presidential candidate," Ferraro said on ABC's "Good Morning America." "It had nothing to do with my qualification."

Ferraro said she has a 40-year history of opposing discrimination of all kinds, including race, and that she was outraged at criticism of her remarks by David Axelrod, Obama's chief media strategist, because he knows her and her record.

"David Axelrod, his campaign manager, has chose to spin this as a racist comment because everytime anybody makes a comment about race who is white — he did it with Bill Clinton, he was successful; he did it with (Pennsylvania governor and Clinton supporter) Ed Rendell, he was less successful; and he is certainly not going to be successful with me," Ferraro told CBS' "The Early Show." "He should have called me up ... He knows I'm not racist."

The controversy began Tuesday when the national media picked up on comments Ferraro made in an interview last week with the Daily Breeze newspaper in Torrance, Calif.: "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept."

Ferraro said she stands by her assertion that Obama's success in the Democratic campaign is due "in part" to his race.

Obama, however, said that if someone in his campaign had suggested that Hillary Clinton "is where she is only because she is a woman" she would be offended.

Clinton has said she disagrees with Ferraro's remarks. In an interview with The Associated Press, she said, "It's regrettable that any of our supporters — on both sides, because we both have this experience — say things that kind of veer off into the personal."

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Where's the namecalling?

He surely has a right to respond to statements made against him and his campaign...

Still I do think these comments are being given a lot more attention than they're really worth. He's right in the sense that the only purpose it appears to serve is a divisive one. Noone's talking about policy ideas because they're fixated on this issues of presentation.

Nahh... remember, since the evil liberal media had a love affair with O, then any baseless and petty dirty politics from C have to be accepted and 'taken like a man', err... a 'black man' mind you!

Then again, that's just speculative name-calling too.

I'm not sure why this woman made those statements to be honest - she's hardly bringing to light anything profound, or indeed that is actually useful in terms of a public debate.

I could think of a myriad of other ways of bringing up the whole race card as a proof-positive way that race relations in this country have progressed to the point that people could vote according to the content of the character of a candidate and not by skin color.

Hence the timing and delivery of such a message reeks of using the race card to remind voters of the differences between two candidates that essentially are saying the same thing on a platform level. That floats the message to skin-level wether we like it or not.

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He can say he won't play the name-calling game, but he certainly is.....

Obama: Ferraro dividing Democrats

Illinois senator accuses former v.p. candidate of 'slice and dice' politics

WASHINGTON - Democratic Sen. Barack Obama assailed as "slice and dice" politics Geraldine Ferraro's assertion that he wouldn't be where he is in the presidential race if he weren't black.

The back-and-forth between the two Democratic trailblazers — Obama, seeking to be the nation's first black president, and Ferraro, who was the first woman on a major party presidential ticket in 1984 — continued for a second day as they made appearances on network and cable morning news programs.

"Part of what I think Geraldine Ferraro is doing, and I respect the fact that she was a trailblazer, is to participate in the kind of slice and dice politics that's about race and about gender and about this and that, and that's what Americans are tired of because they recognize that when we divide ourselves in that way we can't solve problems," Obama said on NBC's "Today" show.

Ferraro, who was Walter Mondale's vice presidential running mate, said Wednesday that her remarks were not racist and had been taken out of context. She accused Obama's campaign of twisting her remarks to undercut his rival for the Democratic nomination, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

"I was talking about historic candidacies and what I started off by saying (was that) if you go back to 1984 and look at my historic candidacy, which I had just talked about all these things, in 1984 if my name was Gerard Ferraro instead of Geraldine Ferraro, I would have never been chosen as a vice presidential candidate," Ferraro said on ABC's "Good Morning America." "It had nothing to do with my qualification."

Ferraro said she has a 40-year history of opposing discrimination of all kinds, including race, and that she was outraged at criticism of her remarks by David Axelrod, Obama's chief media strategist, because he knows her and her record.

"David Axelrod, his campaign manager, has chose to spin this as a racist comment because everytime anybody makes a comment about race who is white — he did it with Bill Clinton, he was successful; he did it with (Pennsylvania governor and Clinton supporter) Ed Rendell, he was less successful; and he is certainly not going to be successful with me," Ferraro told CBS' "The Early Show." "He should have called me up ... He knows I'm not racist."

The controversy began Tuesday when the national media picked up on comments Ferraro made in an interview last week with the Daily Breeze newspaper in Torrance, Calif.: "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept."

Ferraro said she stands by her assertion that Obama's success in the Democratic campaign is due "in part" to his race.

Obama, however, said that if someone in his campaign had suggested that Hillary Clinton "is where she is only because she is a woman" she would be offended.

Clinton has said she disagrees with Ferraro's remarks. In an interview with The Associated Press, she said, "It's regrettable that any of our supporters — on both sides, because we both have this experience — say things that kind of veer off into the personal."

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Where's the namecalling?

He surely has a right to respond to statements made against him and his campaign...

Still I do think these comments are being given a lot more attention than they're really worth. He's right in the sense that the only purpose it appears to serve is a divisive one. Noone's talking about policy ideas because they're fixated on this issues of presentation.

Just yesterday, his camp was calling for HC to drop Ferraro & making a big to-do about it, even after Clinton called them regrettable.

David Axelrod called on the New York senator to drop former New York Rep. Geraldine Ferraro from her finance committee. "When you wink and nod at offensive statements you're really sending a signal to your supporters that anything goes," said Axelrod.

and

(CNN) – Clinton Campaign Manager Maggie Williams said Tuesday that Obama campaign is making "false, personal and politically calculated attacks" over supporter Geraldine Ferraro's controversial comment that the Illinois senator is only in contention because of his race.

"This campaign should be about the leadership we need for a better future and these attacks serve only to divide the Democratic Party and the American people," Williams said in a statement sent to reporters.

Ferraro, the Democratic Party's vice presidential nominee in 1984, told the (Torrance, California) Daily Breeze that "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept."

The Williams statement came a few hours after Obama senior strategist David Axelrod told reporters that Ferraro's recent remarks were part of "an insidious pattern that needs to be addressed."

"When you wink and nod at offensive statements you're really sending a signal to your supporters that anything goes," he also said.

Obama himself also issued a statement on the Ferraro's comments Tuesday afternoon, calling them divisive and 'patently absurd.'

So what? Its par for the course in this race isn't it?

Perhaps I'm missing the point here about why this suddenly so outrageous.

It has nothing to do with what either of the candidates stand for - its just muddying the waters and distracting from policy issues that they should be campaigning on.

If this drags on for a week or more there might be some traction to it - but my guess is that this will fall off the radar before the week is out.

He can say he won't play the name-calling game, but he certainly is.....

Obama: Ferraro dividing Democrats

Illinois senator accuses former v.p. candidate of 'slice and dice' politics

WASHINGTON - Democratic Sen. Barack Obama assailed as "slice and dice" politics Geraldine Ferraro's assertion that he wouldn't be where he is in the presidential race if he weren't black.

The back-and-forth between the two Democratic trailblazers — Obama, seeking to be the nation's first black president, and Ferraro, who was the first woman on a major party presidential ticket in 1984 — continued for a second day as they made appearances on network and cable morning news programs.

"Part of what I think Geraldine Ferraro is doing, and I respect the fact that she was a trailblazer, is to participate in the kind of slice and dice politics that's about race and about gender and about this and that, and that's what Americans are tired of because they recognize that when we divide ourselves in that way we can't solve problems," Obama said on NBC's "Today" show.

Ferraro, who was Walter Mondale's vice presidential running mate, said Wednesday that her remarks were not racist and had been taken out of context. She accused Obama's campaign of twisting her remarks to undercut his rival for the Democratic nomination, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

"I was talking about historic candidacies and what I started off by saying (was that) if you go back to 1984 and look at my historic candidacy, which I had just talked about all these things, in 1984 if my name was Gerard Ferraro instead of Geraldine Ferraro, I would have never been chosen as a vice presidential candidate," Ferraro said on ABC's "Good Morning America." "It had nothing to do with my qualification."

Ferraro said she has a 40-year history of opposing discrimination of all kinds, including race, and that she was outraged at criticism of her remarks by David Axelrod, Obama's chief media strategist, because he knows her and her record.

"David Axelrod, his campaign manager, has chose to spin this as a racist comment because everytime anybody makes a comment about race who is white — he did it with Bill Clinton, he was successful; he did it with (Pennsylvania governor and Clinton supporter) Ed Rendell, he was less successful; and he is certainly not going to be successful with me," Ferraro told CBS' "The Early Show." "He should have called me up ... He knows I'm not racist."

The controversy began Tuesday when the national media picked up on comments Ferraro made in an interview last week with the Daily Breeze newspaper in Torrance, Calif.: "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept."

Ferraro said she stands by her assertion that Obama's success in the Democratic campaign is due "in part" to his race.

Obama, however, said that if someone in his campaign had suggested that Hillary Clinton "is where she is only because she is a woman" she would be offended.

Clinton has said she disagrees with Ferraro's remarks. In an interview with The Associated Press, she said, "It's regrettable that any of our supporters — on both sides, because we both have this experience — say things that kind of veer off into the personal."

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Where's the namecalling?

He surely has a right to respond to statements made against him and his campaign...

Still I do think these comments are being given a lot more attention than they're really worth. He's right in the sense that the only purpose it appears to serve is a divisive one. Noone's talking about policy ideas because they're fixated on this issues of presentation.

Nahh... remember, since the evil liberal media had a love affair with O, then any baseless and petty dirty politics from C have to be accepted and 'taken like a man', err... a 'black man' mind you!

Then again, that's just speculative name-calling too.

I'm not sure why this woman made those statements to be honest - she's hardly bringing to light anything profound, or indeed that is actually useful in terms of a public debate.

I could think of a myriad of other ways of bringing up the whole race card as a proof-positive way that race relations in this country have progressed to the point that people could vote according to the content of the character of a candidate and not by skin color.

Hence the timing and delivery of such a message reeks of using the race card to remind voters of the differences between two candidates that essentially are saying the same thing on a platform level. That floats the message to skin-level wether we like it or not.

That sounds about right.

[no name 1]

Duh. It was a small town Cali speaking engagement that would have NEVER made national news but hey, anything to dirty the waters...

Why do you insist on taking this stuff so personally?

Its a presidential nomination campaign - none of this is surprising, new or outrageous.

Not personal.

Sorry, but your statement made me go, #######? Why does anyone speak - because they can! She made them because she is an outspoken political woman. Media picked up on it & now it's a national sensation! Oh noes!!!!

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Duh. It was a small town Cali speaking engagement that would have NEVER made national news but hey, anything to dirty the waters...

Why do you insist on taking this stuff so personally?

Its a presidential nomination campaign - none of this is surprising, new or outrageous.

Any audience is national in an selection process of this sort. We should be able to know better.

[no name 1]

And Obama won Miss. based on race. Fact.

And Hillary pulled in her Texas delegates based on going after the Latino vote. Fact.

so?

So?

Here's what amazes me about this.

Your candidate played the race card (to her advantage) to gain votes. The votes of people who likely have kin who have been roundly criticized and condemned by you in this forum.

So my first question to you is - why do you support a candidate who is using a block of voters you have so much disdain for?

And why is it all right for her to play BOTH the Latino and Black race cards, not to mention her gender race card - at all?

Unless playing the race card is OK as long as it gets a person what they want.

Everytime there's so much as a whiff of that behavior from the Obama camp, you're all over it like flies on doo-doo.

RJ, that is *SUCH* a ludicrous stretch.

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I think RJ is onto the right train of thought. No links necessary to back that puppy up!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Duh. It was a small town Cali speaking engagement that would have NEVER made national news but hey, anything to dirty the waters...

Why do you insist on taking this stuff so personally?

Its a presidential nomination campaign - none of this is surprising, new or outrageous.

Not personal.

Sorry, but your statement made me go, #######? Why does anyone speak - because they can! She made them because she is an outspoken political woman. Media picked up on it & now it's a national sensation! Oh noes!!!!

Well she is a recognisable figure attached to HC's campaign. Aren't such people briefed or coached on these things - that any public statements they make will inevitably be subjected to public and media scrutiny?

Hell - the guy in the Obama campaign resigned the other week for inflammatory comments he made in a Scottish newspaper.

Like that - I suspect this will be a flash in the pan. Forgotten about by the end of the week.

[SteveLaura 0]

I think Hillary is in the running because people like her (over Obama). Bottom line. The voting shows that. Is he ahead, yes. But it is not a landslide by anyone, anywhere. This country is definitely split.

If it is pointed out, why is automatically DENIED that it's sexist? Or racist in Obama's case? Sexism is acceptable in politics apparently.

What's a bigger 'first'? A woman president or a black one? Just asking.

Well, taking into account what you previously had as your signature, you seem to think that Hillary's gender is important. Are you honestly saying that it has no bearing on her support, that people just "like her" more?

Secondly, is it possible that your dislike of Obama has nothing to do with his race? Isn't it possible that my dislike of Clinton has nothing to do with her gender?

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Duh. It was a small town Cali speaking engagement that would have NEVER made national news but hey, anything to dirty the waters...

Why do you insist on taking this stuff so personally?

Its a presidential nomination campaign - none of this is surprising, new or outrageous.

Not personal.

Sorry, but your statement made me go, #######? Why does anyone speak - because they can! She made them because she is an outspoken political woman. Media picked up on it & now it's a national sensation! Oh noes!!!!

Well she is a recognisable figure attached to HC's campaign. Aren't such people briefed or coached on these things - that any public statements they make will inevitably be subjected to public and media scrutiny?

Hell - the guy in the Obama campaign resigned the other week for inflammatory comments he made in a Scottish newspaper.

Like that - I suspect this will be a flash in the pan. Forgotten about by the end of the week.

So if we play the pattern, who/what will next week's high school gossip generator be? Given the silly nature of the pattern, which of the two campaigns will have a finger pointed at them?

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touche..brother steven

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Duh. It was a small town Cali speaking engagement that would have NEVER made national news but hey, anything to dirty the waters...

Why do you insist on taking this stuff so personally?

Its a presidential nomination campaign - none of this is surprising, new or outrageous.

Not personal.

Sorry, but your statement made me go, #######? Why does anyone speak - because they can! She made them because she is an outspoken political woman. Media picked up on it & now it's a national sensation! Oh noes!!!!

Well she is a recognisable figure attached to HC's campaign. Aren't such people briefed or coached on these things - that any public statements they make will inevitably be subjected to public and media scrutiny?

Hell - the guy in the Obama campaign resigned the other week for inflammatory comments he made in a Scottish newspaper.

Like that - I suspect this will be a flash in the pan. Forgotten about by the end of the week.

It's just 'old guard' mentality, Number 6. "Experienced" politicians are allowed to make those kind of cracks and we are supposed to forgive it. After all, it's their "experience" that will keep all our children safe in bed at 3 am.