Geraldine Ferarro lets her emotions do the talking

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Isn't this all very silly considering that HC has denounced Ferraro's comments as "regrettable"?

[no name 1]

I don't think how she's being racist, really. She's not saying anything bad about Obama, she just said he's getting attention for being black. Same as she did back in 1984. That's not being racist.

Diana

For the first time, the Democratic Presidential nominee will not be a white man. She could equally say - as she did for herself - that Hillary would not be in her position right now if she were male. To my knowledge, she hasn't. Why not?

Ooooooooohh....I like that.

She has:

"I will probably start with a personal account, drawing attention to the historic firsts of both these candidacies in our party, and point out specific, significant differences between Hillary's campaign and mine," said Ferraro.

"I think what America feels about a woman becoming president takes a very secondary place to Obama's campaign - to a kind of campaign that it would be hard for anyone to run against," she said. "For one thing, you have the press, which has been uniquely hard on her. It's been a very sexist media. Some just don't like her. The others have gotten caught up in the Obama campaign.

I actually do think that race IS more of an issue than what we may want to idealize. Race, not of a liberal guilt/burden brand like Geraldine cried in what I can actually understand, may end up being more clearly seen as an issue by white voters not at all interested in voting for an African American that shares pretty much the same views as does the white (female) candidate. Thus the race card IS an issue and the voting breakdown may yet be telling us something quite insidious about voter behavior that should be addressed... not as a scapegoat for one candidates' success but rather as his avoidance in areas that are naturally prone to play the race card on a historical basis.

Too bad people can't quite see more than skin deep. At least the Obama camp is sticking to playing the issues, while in my view I see some, not all, of the Clinton camp playing whine and cry politics. Very unfortunate.

Blinded by the koolaid I see.

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[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Well it does seem that most of the accusatory personal rhetoric and smearing has come out of the Clinton camp.

[no name 1]

I bet Hillary laments that them ignorant southern negros ain't capable of critical thinking.

Where was that quote exactly? Stop with the false statements.

[SteveLaura 0]

I don't think how she's being racist, really. She's not saying anything bad about Obama, she just said he's getting attention for being black. Same as she did back in 1984. That's not being racist.

Diana

For the first time, the Democratic Presidential nominee will not be a white man. She could equally say - as she did for herself - that Hillary would not be in her position right now if she were male. To my knowledge, she hasn't. Why not?

Ooooooooohh....I like that.

She has:

"I will probably start with a personal account, drawing attention to the historic firsts of both these candidacies in our party, and point out specific, significant differences between Hillary's campaign and mine," said Ferraro.

"I think what America feels about a woman becoming president takes a very secondary place to Obama's campaign - to a kind of campaign that it would be hard for anyone to run against," she said. "For one thing, you have the press, which has been uniquely hard on her. It's been a very sexist media. Some just don't like her. The others have gotten caught up in the Obama campaign.

In what way does that statement say "Hillary is where she is now because she is a woman"?

[no name 1]

And Obama won Miss. based on race. Fact.

And Hillary pulled in her Texas delegates based on going after the Latino vote. Fact.

so?

I don't think how she's being racist, really. She's not saying anything bad about Obama, she just said he's getting attention for being black. Same as she did back in 1984. That's not being racist.

Diana

For the first time, the Democratic Presidential nominee will not be a white man. She could equally say - as she did for herself - that Hillary would not be in her position right now if she were male. To my knowledge, she hasn't. Why not?

Ooooooooohh....I like that.

She has:

"I will probably start with a personal account, drawing attention to the historic firsts of both these candidacies in our party, and point out specific, significant differences between Hillary's campaign and mine," said Ferraro.

"I think what America feels about a woman becoming president takes a very secondary place to Obama's campaign - to a kind of campaign that it would be hard for anyone to run against," she said. "For one thing, you have the press, which has been uniquely hard on her. It's been a very sexist media. Some just don't like her. The others have gotten caught up in the Obama campaign.

In what way does that statement say "Hillary is where she is now because she is a woman"?

[HAL 9000 96]

Isn't this all very silly considering that HC has denounced Ferraro's comments as "regrettable"?

Exactly. I just find highly ludicrous how someone on her campaign finance committee with such a high profile would even consider making such a divisive public comment. Race is a veeeeeeery nasty topic to tread and should not be touched to get people to reduce their voting based on liking as opposed to not vote based on already observed racist preferences. This is petty, but it does exist. Does the race card have two faces? Yep.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I don't think how she's being racist, really. She's not saying anything bad about Obama, she just said he's getting attention for being black. Same as she did back in 1984. That's not being racist.

Diana

For the first time, the Democratic Presidential nominee will not be a white man. She could equally say - as she did for herself - that Hillary would not be in her position right now if she were male. To my knowledge, she hasn't. Why not?

Ooooooooohh....I like that.

She has:

"I will probably start with a personal account, drawing attention to the historic firsts of both these candidacies in our party, and point out specific, significant differences between Hillary's campaign and mine," said Ferraro.

"I think what America feels about a woman becoming president takes a very secondary place to Obama's campaign - to a kind of campaign that it would be hard for anyone to run against," she said. "For one thing, you have the press, which has been uniquely hard on her. It's been a very sexist media. Some just don't like her. The others have gotten caught up in the Obama campaign.

In what way does that statement say "Hillary is where she is now because she is a woman"?

Its clearly implied. She's suggesting there's a greater public bias against a female candidate than there is against a black one.

Isn't this all very silly considering that HC has denounced Ferraro's comments as "regrettable"?

Exactly. I just find highly ludicrous how someone on her campaign finance committee with such a high profile would even consider making such a divisive public comment. Race is a veeeeeeery nasty topic to tread and should not be touched to get people to reduce their voting based on liking as opposed to not vote based on already observed racist preferences. This is petty, but it does exist. Does the race card have two faces? Yep.

Indeed.

[HAL 9000 96]

I don't think how she's being racist, really. She's not saying anything bad about Obama, she just said he's getting attention for being black. Same as she did back in 1984. That's not being racist.

Diana

For the first time, the Democratic Presidential nominee will not be a white man. She could equally say - as she did for herself - that Hillary would not be in her position right now if she were male. To my knowledge, she hasn't. Why not?

Ooooooooohh....I like that.

She has:

"I will probably start with a personal account, drawing attention to the historic firsts of both these candidacies in our party, and point out specific, significant differences between Hillary's campaign and mine," said Ferraro.

"I think what America feels about a woman becoming president takes a very secondary place to Obama's campaign - to a kind of campaign that it would be hard for anyone to run against," she said. "For one thing, you have the press, which has been uniquely hard on her. It's been a very sexist media. Some just don't like her. The others have gotten caught up in the Obama campaign.

I actually do think that race IS more of an issue than what we may want to idealize. Race, not of a liberal guilt/burden brand like Geraldine cried in what I can actually understand, may end up being more clearly seen as an issue by white voters not at all interested in voting for an African American that shares pretty much the same views as does the white (female) candidate. Thus the race card IS an issue and the voting breakdown may yet be telling us something quite insidious about voter behavior that should be addressed... not as a scapegoat for one candidates' success but rather as his avoidance in areas that are naturally prone to play the race card on a historical basis.

Too bad people can't quite see more than skin deep. At least the Obama camp is sticking to playing the issues, while in my view I see some, not all, of the Clinton camp playing whine and cry politics. Very unfortunate.

Blinded by the koolaid I see.

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By your koolaid? Oh-Yeah. Like Hillary said, stick to the topics.

[rebeccajo 14]

I don't think how she's being racist, really. She's not saying anything bad about Obama, she just said he's getting attention for being black. Same as she did back in 1984. That's not being racist.

Diana

For the first time, the Democratic Presidential nominee will not be a white man. She could equally say - as she did for herself - that Hillary would not be in her position right now if she were male. To my knowledge, she hasn't. Why not?

Ooooooooohh....I like that.

She has:

"I will probably start with a personal account, drawing attention to the historic firsts of both these candidacies in our party, and point out specific, significant differences between Hillary's campaign and mine," said Ferraro.

"I think what America feels about a woman becoming president takes a very secondary place to Obama's campaign - to a kind of campaign that it would be hard for anyone to run against," she said. "For one thing, you have the press, which has been uniquely hard on her. It's been a very sexist media. Some just don't like her. The others have gotten caught up in the Obama campaign.

In what way does that statement say "Hillary is where she is now because she is a woman"?

Looks more like saying having a hard time running as a woman.

[AnewKINDofFEELIN 0]

Well - he won 90% of black voters and only 30% of white voters. For better or for worse, I'd say race was a factor

Obama win Defined by Race

Exit polls: Miss. Dems divide on racial lines

Buoyed by an overwhelming edge among African-American voters, Barack Obama cruised to victory over Hillary Clinton in the Mississippi primary

Like it or not, Race looms large in Dem contest

What does that prove? Again, you're using demographics very loosely here.

You cannot prove, for a fact, that a single person voted for Obama because he's black.

On that note, if anyone voted for Obama because he's black, please speak up on Dev the Omniscient's behalf.

Read those links. The exit polls are based on FACT.

Okay, I'll stick to the CNN one. Two sentences in particular:

But Mississippi white voters overwhelmingly backed the New York senator, supporting her over Obama 72 percent to 21 percent.

The exit polls also indicated roughly 30 percent of Mississippi Democratic voters said race was an important factor in their vote, and 60 percent of those voters supported Obama.

So, let's do some math. Try to follow along.

60% of 30% is 18%, so 18% of voters chose Obama based on race.

40% of 30% is 12%, so 12% of voters chose Clinton based on race.

If you subtract those numbers from the overall, you get:

Obama (non-race based): 54%

Clinton (non-race based): 9%

If we were to eliminate the other voters, the accurate percentage would become:

Obama: 86%

Clinton: 14%

[SteveLaura 0]

And Obama won Miss. based on race. Fact.

And Hillary pulled in her Texas delegates based on going after the Latino vote. Fact.

so?

I don't think how she's being racist, really. She's not saying anything bad about Obama, she just said he's getting attention for being black. Same as she did back in 1984. That's not being racist.

Diana

For the first time, the Democratic Presidential nominee will not be a white man. She could equally say - as she did for herself - that Hillary would not be in her position right now if she were male. To my knowledge, she hasn't. Why not?

Ooooooooohh....I like that.

She has:

"I will probably start with a personal account, drawing attention to the historic firsts of both these candidacies in our party, and point out specific, significant differences between Hillary's campaign and mine," said Ferraro.

"I think what America feels about a woman becoming president takes a very secondary place to Obama's campaign - to a kind of campaign that it would be hard for anyone to run against," she said. "For one thing, you have the press, which has been uniquely hard on her. It's been a very sexist media. Some just don't like her. The others have gotten caught up in the Obama campaign.

In what way does that statement say "Hillary is where she is now because she is a woman"?

Which position are you arguing? That the media have been soft on Obama because he is black (and therefore to avoid allegations of racism) or that Obama is doing so well amongst voters because he is black? Or both?

[HAL 9000 96]

Well it does seem that most of the accusatory personal rhetoric and smearing has come out of the Clinton camp.

I think we need to use Websters... there is a clear difference between accusing and smearing vs. making public clear and present points that are confused with actual accusations.

[no name 1]

He can say he won't play the name-calling game, but he certainly is.....

Obama: Ferraro dividing Democrats

Illinois senator accuses former v.p. candidate of 'slice and dice' politics

WASHINGTON - Democratic Sen. Barack Obama assailed as "slice and dice" politics Geraldine Ferraro's assertion that he wouldn't be where he is in the presidential race if he weren't black.

The back-and-forth between the two Democratic trailblazers — Obama, seeking to be the nation's first black president, and Ferraro, who was the first woman on a major party presidential ticket in 1984 — continued for a second day as they made appearances on network and cable morning news programs.

"Part of what I think Geraldine Ferraro is doing, and I respect the fact that she was a trailblazer, is to participate in the kind of slice and dice politics that's about race and about gender and about this and that, and that's what Americans are tired of because they recognize that when we divide ourselves in that way we can't solve problems," Obama said on NBC's "Today" show.

Ferraro, who was Walter Mondale's vice presidential running mate, said Wednesday that her remarks were not racist and had been taken out of context. She accused Obama's campaign of twisting her remarks to undercut his rival for the Democratic nomination, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

"I was talking about historic candidacies and what I started off by saying (was that) if you go back to 1984 and look at my historic candidacy, which I had just talked about all these things, in 1984 if my name was Gerard Ferraro instead of Geraldine Ferraro, I would have never been chosen as a vice presidential candidate," Ferraro said on ABC's "Good Morning America." "It had nothing to do with my qualification."

Ferraro said she has a 40-year history of opposing discrimination of all kinds, including race, and that she was outraged at criticism of her remarks by David Axelrod, Obama's chief media strategist, because he knows her and her record.

"David Axelrod, his campaign manager, has chose to spin this as a racist comment because everytime anybody makes a comment about race who is white — he did it with Bill Clinton, he was successful; he did it with (Pennsylvania governor and Clinton supporter) Ed Rendell, he was less successful; and he is certainly not going to be successful with me," Ferraro told CBS' "The Early Show." "He should have called me up ... He knows I'm not racist."

The controversy began Tuesday when the national media picked up on comments Ferraro made in an interview last week with the Daily Breeze newspaper in Torrance, Calif.: "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept."

Ferraro said she stands by her assertion that Obama's success in the Democratic campaign is due "in part" to his race.

Obama, however, said that if someone in his campaign had suggested that Hillary Clinton "is where she is only because she is a woman" she would be offended.

Clinton has said she disagrees with Ferraro's remarks. In an interview with The Associated Press, she said, "It's regrettable that any of our supporters — on both sides, because we both have this experience — say things that kind of veer off into the personal."

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Edited March 12, 2008 by illumine

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Well it does seem that most of the accusatory personal rhetoric and smearing has come out of the Clinton camp.

I think we need to use Websters... there is a clear difference between accusing and smearing vs. making public clear and present points that are confused with actual accusations.

The waters of this Democratic race are about as muddy as they can get - on that score. Its very ugly, however you look at it.