Geraldine Ferarro lets her emotions do the talking

[SteveLaura 0]

Ferraro said, along the lines of, "Some people just don't like her." This is true. I don't know how you could prove - or even argue - that this is due to sexism. Isn't it feasible that the denials are valid? If you were to label me a sexist, I'd deny it too - in the same way that you have denied being a racist above. It could, you know, actually be true.

I'm well aware of that Steve.

But the opposite could also be true. There seems to be an unfairness about the sexism vs. racism comments on VJ. If I say it, all men cry foul, even if it's true. Simply because they are men.

Apparently I am sexist, racist AND ageist, according to some. Which I can deny but VJ is VJ & words mean little.

Looking at it more broadly than VJ, I've read more things in the media about Bill's comments about Obama (winning S. Carolina, I think), this topic, etc that could reasonably be argued as racism than I have any comments from Obama's camp or supporters that could be argued as sexism. I'm not saying there hasn't been any - no doubt you can enlighten me - but the emphasis from O's campaign does not appear to be about Hillary's gender.

Of course, maybe the media just aren't printing them, if that's your point.

Edited March 12, 2008 by SteveLaura

[no name 1]

Ferraro said, along the lines of, "Some people just don't like her." This is true. I don't know how you could prove - or even argue - that this is due to sexism. Isn't it feasible that the denials are valid? If you were to label me a sexist, I'd deny it too - in the same way that you have denied being a racist above. It could, you know, actually be true.

I'm well aware of that Steve.

But the opposite could also be true. There seems to be an unfairness about the sexism vs. racism comments on VJ. If I say it, all men cry foul, even if it's true. Simply because they are men.

Apparently I am sexist, racist AND ageist, according to some. Which I can deny but VJ is VJ & words mean little.

Looking at it more broadly than VJ, I've read more things in the media about Bill's comments about Obama (winning S. Carolina, I think), this topic, etc that could reasonably be argued as racism than I have any comments from Obama's camp or supporters that could be argued as sexism. I'm not saying there hasn't been any - no doubt you can enlighten me - but the emphasis from O's campaign does not appear to be about Hillary's gender.

Of course, maybe the media just aren't printing them, if that's your point.

ah, I think some of it is smear ####### from the campaigns - like did Hillary darken his skin on that TV ad, etc. Did Hillary leak a pic of him in Muslim garb? A supporter perhaps, but you can't control everyone.

This is an ugly campaign - words get twisted every day. I'm curious what the next 6 weeks will bring. More scandalous accusations, no doubt.

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

Looking at it more broadly than VJ, I've read more things in the media about Bill's comments about Obama (winning S. Carolina, I think), this topic, etc that could reasonably be argued as racism than I have any comments from Obama's camp or supporters that could be argued as sexism. I'm not saying there hasn't been any - no doubt you can enlighten me - but the emphasis from O's campaign does not appear to be about Hillary's gender.

I'm having a hard time seeing Bill's remarks as racist (if pointing out that Jesse Jackson won SC but was not a viable candidate or calling Obama's campagin a "fairy tale" is what you are referring to). Condescending - yes, Racist - no

[SteveLaura 0]

ah, I think some of it is smear ####### from the campaigns - like did Hillary darken his skin on that TV ad, etc. Did Hillary leak a pic of him in Muslim garb? A supporter perhaps, but you can't control everyone.

This is an ugly campaign - words get twisted every day. I'm curious what the next 6 weeks will bring. More scandalous accusations, no doubt.

The problem as I see it is that the Hillary camp has made mis-steps re: racism - Bill's remarks, for example. If you start down that road, you should be extra-vigilant afterwards to ensure that these sorts of allegations can't legitimately be made again. This applies to each side. But again, I do feel that Hillary's camp is making more about i) her gender and ii) her opponent's race than Obama is.

[metta 0]

And Power tried, unfruitfully, to say what she said, off the record. Ferarro went on the record.

Besides, the point is as said in my previous post.

I've no doubt that what is said 'off-record' is far worse and far more colorful than anything that hits the public arena. Still its off-record and should be treated as such by the media. If it becomes public however, there's not much you can do to control it.

Didn't she also say "off record" that Obama's plan to leave Iraq was a "best case scenario." This concerns me more than the "monster" remark, though it gets so little media attention!

Why?

Any politician with a sound logical process should be able to match the current state in time with the plan to completely withdraw. You can't do everything according to the BushCo Way, against public opinion and common sense.

And Power tried, unfruitfully, to say what she said, off the record. Ferarro went on the record.

Besides, the point is as said in my previous post.

I've no doubt that what is said 'off-record' is far worse and far more colorful than anything that hits the public arena. Still its off-record and should be treated as such by the media. If it becomes public however, there's not much you can do to control it.

discussed before.

The Scotsman agreed it was established ahead of time be on the record. Saying so after a ####### comment, doesn't make it off the record.

And this will cost the Scotsman future interviews of confidence for a while. Do blame the intellectual for not minding what may have been stated at the beginning of the interview. Mute point, argue the point at hand- Power is out, Ferarro is not.

The Stephanie Power debacle displays a number of weaknesses in the Obama campaign.

1. It is not just an academic-turned-would-be-presidential-advisor making a naive misstep. It shows how for many months, the Obama folks treat the media (mainly American) as part of their campaign lackeys given the sickeningly obsequious manner in which they (the American media)have treated Obama. So, BO advisors treat reporters the same way circus hands treat the big show animals forgetting the fact that the Scotsman reporter is not of the tamed American variety and Powers got mauled by the real media beast.

2. If you take all the three mishaps- Goolsbie, Powers and Susan Rice- that took place that week for the Obama camapign, it shows that his whole team of would be Presidential advisors are not ready for prime time. Can you imagine such a team of neophytes running foreign and domestic policies of the United States?

3. It also reveals the underbelly of their campaign that shows how patently disingenuous and cynical the Obama campaign is. Under the veneer of high-minded, holier-than-though rhetoric of new kinda politics, the major players go around talking trash about Hillary OFF THE RECORD while opportunistically riding the Republican attack machine's dirty work and help spreading "Hillary is dirty" and other ####### ad hominum.

Edited March 12, 2008 by metta

[no name 1]

And Power tried, unfruitfully, to say what she said, off the record. Ferarro went on the record.

Besides, the point is as said in my previous post.

I've no doubt that what is said 'off-record' is far worse and far more colorful than anything that hits the public arena. Still its off-record and should be treated as such by the media. If it becomes public however, there's not much you can do to control it.

Didn't she also say "off record" that Obama's plan to leave Iraq was a "best case scenario." This concerns me more than the "monster" remark, though it gets so little media attention!

Why?

Any politician with a sound logical process should be able to match the current state in time with the plan to completely withdraw. You can't do everything according to the BushCo Way, against public opinion and common sense.

And Power tried, unfruitfully, to say what she said, off the record. Ferarro went on the record.

Besides, the point is as said in my previous post.

I've no doubt that what is said 'off-record' is far worse and far more colorful than anything that hits the public arena. Still its off-record and should be treated as such by the media. If it becomes public however, there's not much you can do to control it.

discussed before.

The Scotsman agreed it was established ahead of time be on the record. Saying so after a ####### comment, doesn't make it off the record.

And this will cost the Scotsman future interviews of confidence for a while. Do blame the intellectual for not minding what may have been stated at the beginning of the interview. Mute point, argue the point at hand- Power is out, Ferarro is not.

The Stephanie Power debacle displays a number of weaknesses in the Obama campaign.

1. It is not just an academic-turned-would-be-presidential-advisor making a naive misstep. It shows how for many months, the Obama folks treat the media (mainly American) as part of their campaign lackeys given the sickeningly obsequious manner in which they (the American media)have treated Obama. So, BO advisors treat reporters the same way circus hands treat the big show animals forgetting the fact that the Scotsman reporter is not of the tamed American variety and Powers got mauled by the real media beast.

2. If you take all the three mishaps- Goolsbie, Powers and Susan Rice- that took place that week for the Obama camapign, it shows that his whole team of would be Presidential advisors are not ready for prime time. Can you imagine such a team of neophytes running foreign and domestic policies of the United States?

3. It also reveals the underbelly of their campaign that shows how patently disingenuous and cynical the Obama campaign is. Under the veneer of high-minded, holier-than-though rhetoric of new kinda politics, the major players go around talking trash about Hillary OFF THE RECORD while opportunistically riding the Republican attack machine's dirty work and help spreading "Hillary is dirty" and other ####### ad hominum.

I think the amount of (HUGE) missteps in one week is indeed frightening.

[HAL 9000 96]

And Power tried, unfruitfully, to say what she said, off the record. Ferarro went on the record.

Besides, the point is as said in my previous post.

I've no doubt that what is said 'off-record' is far worse and far more colorful than anything that hits the public arena. Still its off-record and should be treated as such by the media. If it becomes public however, there's not much you can do to control it.

Didn't she also say "off record" that Obama's plan to leave Iraq was a "best case scenario." This concerns me more than the "monster" remark, though it gets so little media attention!

Why?

Any politician with a sound logical process should be able to match the current state in time with the plan to completely withdraw. You can't do everything according to the BushCo Way, against public opinion and common sense.

And Power tried, unfruitfully, to say what she said, off the record. Ferarro went on the record.

Besides, the point is as said in my previous post.

I've no doubt that what is said 'off-record' is far worse and far more colorful than anything that hits the public arena. Still its off-record and should be treated as such by the media. If it becomes public however, there's not much you can do to control it.

discussed before.

The Scotsman agreed it was established ahead of time be on the record. Saying so after a ####### comment, doesn't make it off the record.

And this will cost the Scotsman future interviews of confidence for a while. Do blame the intellectual for not minding what may have been stated at the beginning of the interview. Mute point, argue the point at hand- Power is out, Ferarro is not.

The Stephanie Power debacle displays a number of weaknesses in the Obama campaign.

1. It is not just an academic-turned-would-be-presidential-advisor making a naive misstep. It shows how for many months, the Obama folks treat the media (mainly American) as part of their campaign lackeys given the sickeningly obsequious manner in which they (the American media)have treated Obama. So, BO advisors treat reporters the same way circus hands treat the big show animals forgetting the fact that the Scotsman reporter is not of the tamed American variety and Powers got mauled by the real media beast.

2. If you take all the three mishaps- Goolsbie, Powers and Susan Rice- that took place that week for the Obama camapign, it shows that his whole team of would be Presidential advisors are not ready for prime time. Can you imagine such a team of neophytes running foreign and domestic policies of the United States?

3. It also reveals the underbelly of their campaign that shows how patently disingenuous and cynical the Obama campaign is. Under the veneer of high-minded, holier-than-though rhetoric of new kinda politics, the major players go around talking trash about Hillary OFF THE RECORD while opportunistically riding the Republican attack machine's dirty work and help spreading "Hillary is dirty" and other ####### ad hominum.

Sure I can imagine them running the nation. If they don't do what you like, then fire them. We'll see how that goes once they're in office. As far as I know, not all campaign folks end up in cushy Cabinet positions.

On the other hand, Gerry is out already. Believe it or not, that should help Hillary out a bit.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

On the other hand, Gerry is out already. Believe it or not, that should help Hillary out a bit.

I'm sure it will.

P.S. I'm not sure why she resigned - considering that the biggest newstory of the week was Elliot Spitzer. Surely a great day to bury controversial comments,

[no name 1]

On the other hand, Gerry is out already. Believe it or not, that should help Hillary out a bit.

I'm sure it will.

P.S. I'm not sure why she resigned - considering that the biggest newstory of the week was Elliot Spitzer. Surely a great day to bury controversial comments,

She 'resigned' from a committee of thousands of (unpaid) supporters, hardly the same as Samantha Power's position.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

On the other hand, Gerry is out already. Believe it or not, that should help Hillary out a bit.

I'm sure it will.

P.S. I'm not sure why she resigned - considering that the biggest newstory of the week was Elliot Spitzer. Surely a great day to bury controversial comments,

She 'resigned' from a committee of thousands of (unpaid) supporters, hardly the same as Samantha Power's position.

Even so... her comments were far from the biggest controversy of the week. Surely the best opportunity to bury bad news, or controversial comments.

[no name 1]

On the other hand, Gerry is out already. Believe it or not, that should help Hillary out a bit.

I'm sure it will.

P.S. I'm not sure why she resigned - considering that the biggest newstory of the week was Elliot Spitzer. Surely a great day to bury controversial comments,

She 'resigned' from a committee of thousands of (unpaid) supporters, hardly the same as Samantha Power's position.

Even so... her comments were far from the biggest controversy of the week. Surely the best opportunity to bury bad news, or controversial comments.

Im think Spitzer trumped her. He's a HC supporter too.

[HAL 9000 96]

Yep. Stupid is as stupid does and she paid the price for her... stupidity.