Geraldine Ferarro lets her emotions do the talking

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You know what I am getting at. Obama was also in disagreement with Power, and she resigned. Ferarro said she was not asked to resign, and hence that implies silence and acceptance in private, even though in public she states something different. These are not semantics, this is reality.

Yes, but Ferraro is on her finance committee not a senior advisor like Power was.

And Power tried, unfruitfully, to say what she said, off the record. Ferarro went on the record.

Besides, the point is as said in my previous post.

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And Power tried, unfruitfully, to say what she said, off the record. Ferarro went on the record.

Besides, the point is as said in my previous post.

I've no doubt that what is said 'off-record' is far worse and far more colorful than anything that hits the public arena. Still its off-record and should be treated as such by the media. If it becomes public however, there's not much you can do to control it.

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

And Power tried, unfruitfully, to say what she said, off the record. Ferarro went on the record.

Besides, the point is as said in my previous post.

I've no doubt that what is said 'off-record' is far worse and far more colorful than anything that hits the public arena. Still its off-record and should be treated as such by the media. If it becomes public however, there's not much you can do to control it.

Didn't she also say "off record" that Obama's plan to leave Iraq was a "best case scenario." This concerns me more than the "monster" remark, though it gets so little media attention!

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And Power tried, unfruitfully, to say what she said, off the record. Ferarro went on the record.

Besides, the point is as said in my previous post.

I've no doubt that what is said 'off-record' is far worse and far more colorful than anything that hits the public arena. Still its off-record and should be treated as such by the media. If it becomes public however, there's not much you can do to control it.

discussed before.

The Scotsman agreed it was established ahead of time be on the record. Saying so after a ####### comment, doesn't make it off the record.

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And Power tried, unfruitfully, to say what she said, off the record. Ferarro went on the record.

Besides, the point is as said in my previous post.

I've no doubt that what is said 'off-record' is far worse and far more colorful than anything that hits the public arena. Still its off-record and should be treated as such by the media. If it becomes public however, there's not much you can do to control it.

Didn't she also say "off record" that Obama's plan to leave Iraq was a "best case scenario." This concerns me more than the "monster" remark, though it gets so little media attention!

Why?

Any politician with a sound logical process should be able to match the current state in time with the plan to completely withdraw. You can't do everything according to the BushCo Way, against public opinion and common sense.

And Power tried, unfruitfully, to say what she said, off the record. Ferarro went on the record.

Besides, the point is as said in my previous post.

I've no doubt that what is said 'off-record' is far worse and far more colorful than anything that hits the public arena. Still its off-record and should be treated as such by the media. If it becomes public however, there's not much you can do to control it.

discussed before.

The Scotsman agreed it was established ahead of time be on the record. Saying so after a ####### comment, doesn't make it off the record.

And this will cost the Scotsman future interviews of confidence for a while. Do blame the intellectual for not minding what may have been stated at the beginning of the interview. Mute point, argue the point at hand- Power is out, Ferarro is not.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

And Power tried, unfruitfully, to say what she said, off the record. Ferarro went on the record.

Besides, the point is as said in my previous post.

I've no doubt that what is said 'off-record' is far worse and far more colorful than anything that hits the public arena. Still its off-record and should be treated as such by the media. If it becomes public however, there's not much you can do to control it.

discussed before.

The Scotsman agreed it was established ahead of time be on the record. Saying so after a ####### comment, doesn't make it off the record.

Well perhaps - but I'm pretty sure that what these people say behind the scenes is far worse and far less diplomatic than anything that has surfaced so far.

Even if it was "off-record", thats not an argument you can use when statements you make become public - for whatever reason. After all, it not like the person can say that they didn't say them, after all.

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And Power tried, unfruitfully, to say what she said, off the record. Ferarro went on the record.

Besides, the point is as said in my previous post.

I've no doubt that what is said 'off-record' is far worse and far more colorful than anything that hits the public arena. Still its off-record and should be treated as such by the media. If it becomes public however, there's not much you can do to control it.

Didn't she also say "off record" that Obama's plan to leave Iraq was a "best case scenario." This concerns me more than the "monster" remark, though it gets so little media attention!

Why?

Any politician with a sound logical process should be able to match the current state in time with the plan to completely withdraw. You can't do everything according to the BushCo Way, against public opinion and common sense.

And Power tried, unfruitfully, to say what she said, off the record. Ferarro went on the record.

Besides, the point is as said in my previous post.

I've no doubt that what is said 'off-record' is far worse and far more colorful than anything that hits the public arena. Still its off-record and should be treated as such by the media. If it becomes public however, there's not much you can do to control it.

discussed before.

The Scotsman agreed it was established ahead of time be on the record. Saying so after a ####### comment, doesn't make it off the record.

And this will cost the Scotsman future interviews of confidence for a while. Do blame the intellectual for not minding what may have been stated at the beginning of the interview. Mute point, argue the point at hand- Power is out, Ferarro is not.

moot point?

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

Any politician with a sound logical process should be able to match the current state in time with the plan to completely withdraw. You can't do everything according to the BushCo Way, against public opinion and common sense.

Because it suggest his plan is unworkable. She completely downplayed a troop withdrawal in 16 months, which is what he is promising.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

And Power tried, unfruitfully, to say what she said, off the record. Ferarro went on the record.

Besides, the point is as said in my previous post.

I've no doubt that what is said 'off-record' is far worse and far more colorful than anything that hits the public arena. Still its off-record and should be treated as such by the media. If it becomes public however, there's not much you can do to control it.

Didn't she also say "off record" that Obama's plan to leave Iraq was a "best case scenario." This concerns me more than the "monster" remark, though it gets so little media attention!

I think that kind of thing should get more attention because to some extent at least it contradicts policy statements that the campaign is making on a key election issue. A bit like those TV ads that make grandiose claims, but have a screenful of small print and legal disclaimers at the end.

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And Power tried, unfruitfully, to say what she said, off the record. Ferarro went on the record.

Besides, the point is as said in my previous post.

I've no doubt that what is said 'off-record' is far worse and far more colorful than anything that hits the public arena. Still its off-record and should be treated as such by the media. If it becomes public however, there's not much you can do to control it.

Didn't she also say "off record" that Obama's plan to leave Iraq was a "best case scenario." This concerns me more than the "monster" remark, though it gets so little media attention!

Why?

Any politician with a sound logical process should be able to match the current state in time with the plan to completely withdraw. You can't do everything according to the BushCo Way, against public opinion and common sense.

And Power tried, unfruitfully, to say what she said, off the record. Ferarro went on the record.

Besides, the point is as said in my previous post.

I've no doubt that what is said 'off-record' is far worse and far more colorful than anything that hits the public arena. Still its off-record and should be treated as such by the media. If it becomes public however, there's not much you can do to control it.

discussed before.

The Scotsman agreed it was established ahead of time be on the record. Saying so after a ####### comment, doesn't make it off the record.

And this will cost the Scotsman future interviews of confidence for a while. Do blame the intellectual for not minding what may have been stated at the beginning of the interview. Mute point, argue the point at hand- Power is out, Ferarro is not.

moot point?

Mute.

Power and Ferarro

[no name 1]

And Power tried, unfruitfully, to say what she said, off the record. Ferarro went on the record.

Besides, the point is as said in my previous post.

I've no doubt that what is said 'off-record' is far worse and far more colorful than anything that hits the public arena. Still its off-record and should be treated as such by the media. If it becomes public however, there's not much you can do to control it.

Didn't she also say "off record" that Obama's plan to leave Iraq was a "best case scenario." This concerns me more than the "monster" remark, though it gets so little media attention!

Why?

Any politician with a sound logical process should be able to match the current state in time with the plan to completely withdraw. You can't do everything according to the BushCo Way, against public opinion and common sense.

And Power tried, unfruitfully, to say what she said, off the record. Ferarro went on the record.

Besides, the point is as said in my previous post.

I've no doubt that what is said 'off-record' is far worse and far more colorful than anything that hits the public arena. Still its off-record and should be treated as such by the media. If it becomes public however, there's not much you can do to control it.

discussed before.

The Scotsman agreed it was established ahead of time be on the record. Saying so after a ####### comment, doesn't make it off the record.

And this will cost the Scotsman future interviews of confidence for a while. Do blame the intellectual for not minding what may have been stated at the beginning of the interview. Mute point, argue the point at hand- Power is out, Ferarro is not.

moot point?

Mute.

Power and Ferarro

http://www.usingenglish.com/reference/idioms/moot+point.html

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Any politician with a sound logical process should be able to match the current state in time with the plan to completely withdraw. You can't do everything according to the BushCo Way, against public opinion and common sense.

Because it suggest his plan is unworkable. She completely downplayed a troop withdrawal in 16 months, which is what he is promising.

Then maybe that's why she's out?

But again, he needs to play according to realistic rules, and he, like Hillary, will have to contend with that. Bush has promised a heck of a lot more absurd things.

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And Power tried, unfruitfully, to say what she said, off the record. Ferarro went on the record.

Besides, the point is as said in my previous post.

I've no doubt that what is said 'off-record' is far worse and far more colorful than anything that hits the public arena. Still its off-record and should be treated as such by the media. If it becomes public however, there's not much you can do to control it.

Didn't she also say "off record" that Obama's plan to leave Iraq was a "best case scenario." This concerns me more than the "monster" remark, though it gets so little media attention!

Why?

Any politician with a sound logical process should be able to match the current state in time with the plan to completely withdraw. You can't do everything according to the BushCo Way, against public opinion and common sense.

And Power tried, unfruitfully, to say what she said, off the record. Ferarro went on the record.

Besides, the point is as said in my previous post.

I've no doubt that what is said 'off-record' is far worse and far more colorful than anything that hits the public arena. Still its off-record and should be treated as such by the media. If it becomes public however, there's not much you can do to control it.

discussed before.

The Scotsman agreed it was established ahead of time be on the record. Saying so after a ####### comment, doesn't make it off the record.

And this will cost the Scotsman future interviews of confidence for a while. Do blame the intellectual for not minding what may have been stated at the beginning of the interview. Mute point, argue the point at hand- Power is out, Ferarro is not.

moot point?

Mute.

Power and Ferarro

http://www.usingenglish.com/reference/idioms/moot+point.html

Yes. If only the kool-aid argument wasn't so moot...

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I think Hillary is in the running because people like her (over Obama). Bottom line. The voting shows that. Is he ahead, yes. But it is not a landslide by anyone, anywhere. This country is definitely split.

If it is pointed out, why is automatically DENIED that it's sexist? Or racist in Obama's case? Sexism is acceptable in politics apparently.

What's a bigger 'first'? A woman president or a black one? Just asking.

Well, taking into account what you previously had as your signature, you seem to think that Hillary's gender is important. Are you honestly saying that it has no bearing on her support, that people just "like her" more?

Secondly, is it possible that your dislike of Obama has nothing to do with his race? Isn't it possible that my dislike of Clinton has nothing to do with her gender?

No, I'm not saying that. I think her gender is important to some (as is his race). But if anyone says something in the media is sexist - it's automatically denied. Why?

To your second point, yes & yes.

Ferraro said, along the lines of, "Some people just don't like her." This is true. I don't know how you could prove - or even argue - that this is due to sexism. Isn't it feasible that the denials are valid? If you were to label me a sexist, I'd deny it too - in the same way that you have denied being a racist above. It could, you know, actually be true.

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I think Hillary is in the running because people like her (over Obama). Bottom line. The voting shows that. Is he ahead, yes. But it is not a landslide by anyone, anywhere. This country is definitely split.

If it is pointed out, why is automatically DENIED that it's sexist? Or racist in Obama's case? Sexism is acceptable in politics apparently.

What's a bigger 'first'? A woman president or a black one? Just asking.

Well, taking into account what you previously had as your signature, you seem to think that Hillary's gender is important. Are you honestly saying that it has no bearing on her support, that people just "like her" more?

Secondly, is it possible that your dislike of Obama has nothing to do with his race? Isn't it possible that my dislike of Clinton has nothing to do with her gender?

No, I'm not saying that. I think her gender is important to some (as is his race). But if anyone says something in the media is sexist - it's automatically denied. Why?

To your second point, yes & yes.

Ferraro said, along the lines of, "Some people just don't like her." This is true. I don't know how you could prove - or even argue - that this is due to sexism. Isn't it feasible that the denials are valid? If you were to label me a sexist, I'd deny it too - in the same way that you have denied being a racist above. It could, you know, actually be true.

I'm well aware of that Steve.

But the opposite could also be true. There seems to be an unfairness about the sexism vs. racism comments on VJ. If I say it, all men cry foul, even if it's true. Simply because they are men.

Apparently I am sexist, racist AND ageist, according to some. Which I can deny but VJ is VJ & words mean little.

Edited March 12, 2008 by illumine