Obama: 'If I am not ready, why do you think I would be such a great vice president?'

[rebeccajo 14]

Devillette accuses people of sexism on a daily basis without any substantial backing.

No, I don't. If you read my posts, you would know that.

*cough cough bull$hit*

If it's not that, it's some other thing.

Take your agenda elsewhere...

I don't have an agenda. I'm just readin' and remarkin'......

Obviously you do, she's only said "sexism" once today that I've seen.

Sexism, racism - the whole thing stinks IMO.

I don't like any of it. Got it?

I don't either. I was just trying to make a point, but it's been made now. So there's no reason for me to keep making nasty, false accusations.

Your just trying to get out of being taken behind the woodshed....

Besides, I kinda think a big pink female 08 symbol in every single post is a little more sexism than I need every day.

[SqdnGuns 21]

Those cats are clearly racist.

On a side note, that my be the blackest cat I have ever seen. You can barely even make out the contours.

Billary's team edited and darkened the cat..............

Edited March 10, 2008 by SqdnGuns

[HAL 9000 96]

I live in Chicago and can " assure " you that Obama was not as big a part of that Chicago machine as you may think he was.

Leaving Rhezko aside, the part about what he did during his time in Chicage that indicates that political change is a fundamental belief is fair game. Did he propose measures that were thwarted? Did he feel that change is only necessary in Washington? Did he impliment some politically significant measures?

* Voted to end $300 million worth of tax breaks for businesses. (2004)

* Voted for having Illinois endorse embryonic stem cell research. (2004)

* Voted against restrictions on public funding of abortion. (2000)

* Successfully co-sponsored a prescription drug discount buying club program for seniors and the disabled. (2003)

* Unsuccessfully co-sponsored ban on discrimination based on sexual orientation. The measure became law after Obama was elected to the U.S. Senate. (2003)

* Successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform called the Gift Ban Act. (1998)

You mean he voted "present'?

That's one way of doing politics in Illinois. Been explained ad hominem here and regurgitated here.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obam...obama04.article

One of Obama's "present" votes was on 1999 legislation that would have required teens 15 and older to be tried as adults for firing weapons on or near school grounds. He was among five African-American senators voting present.

On the abortion bills, legislators who supported women's rights to the procedure were encouraged to vote "present" on bills that would have required parental notice before minors could obtain abortions and that would have barred what abortion foes call "partial-birth" abortions, a leading abortion-rights advocate said. The goal was to entice moderate Republicans and Democrats to also vote present, helping to defeat the bills.

Good! Now read about where it is common practice in Illinois to vote present for very particular reasons. Yeah, its not an Oval Office behavior, but then again, I'd expect Obama to be able to tell the difference between Federal politics and Illinois politics.

[LaL 418]

Good grief people, start showing a little civility here or this thread will be locked.

[rebeccajo 14]

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obam...obama04.article

One of Obama's "present" votes was on 1999 legislation that would have required teens 15 and older to be tried as adults for firing weapons on or near school grounds. He was among five African-American senators voting present.On the abortion bills, legislators who supported women's rights to the procedure were encouraged to vote "present" on bills that would have required parental notice before minors could obtain abortions and that would have barred what abortion foes call "partial-birth" abortions, a leading abortion-rights advocate said. The goal was to entice moderate Republicans and Democrats to also vote present, helping to defeat the bills.

If that's not implied racism, I don't know what is.

RJ, I didn't write that.

No kidding!!

So why are you implying racism in connection with MY name? I find that highly offensive.

It's not in connection with 'your name'. It's a link you put up.

If you're gonna get offended by what people think of the sources and links you put up, you better think about them before you put them up.

Thanks Mom!

It's a dirty job but somebody's gotta do it.

[AnewKINDofFEELIN 0]

Your just trying to get out of being taken behind the woodshed....

Besides, I kinda think a big pink female 08 symbol in every single post is a little more sexism than I need every day.

Not really, I was waiting to find out who would be doing the licking before I made my plea.

[Ban Hammer 13,678]

This is so ugly.

When I read these threads I just feel really awful about people in general.

I mean obviously some posters are more rancorous, mean-spirited and generally unpleasant in most ways than others, but for the most part, this is just icky to read.

So don't?

Sometimes I suspect Alex is into S&M.

don't tease me like that.

[HAL 9000 96]

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obam...obama04.article

One of Obama's "present" votes was on 1999 legislation that would have required teens 15 and older to be tried as adults for firing weapons on or near school grounds. He was among five African-American senators voting present.On the abortion bills, legislators who supported women's rights to the procedure were encouraged to vote "present" on bills that would have required parental notice before minors could obtain abortions and that would have barred what abortion foes call "partial-birth" abortions, a leading abortion-rights advocate said. The goal was to entice moderate Republicans and Democrats to also vote present, helping to defeat the bills.

If that's not implied racism, I don't know what is.

RJ, I didn't write that.

True, the Chicago Sun Times did, a newspaper known for having racial bias in its editing of news stories.

[rebeccajo 14]

Your just trying to get out of being taken behind the woodshed....

Besides, I kinda think a big pink female 08 symbol in every single post is a little more sexism than I need every day.

Not really, I was waiting to find out who would be doing the licking before I made my plea.

Not me, man!

[AnewKINDofFEELIN 0]

Good grief people, start showing a little civility here or this thread will be locked.

NEVER!

[Dan J 277]

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obam...obama04.article

One of Obama's "present" votes was on 1999 legislation that would have required teens 15 and older to be tried as adults for firing weapons on or near school grounds. He was among five African-American senators voting present.On the abortion bills, legislators who supported women's rights to the procedure were encouraged to vote "present" on bills that would have required parental notice before minors could obtain abortions and that would have barred what abortion foes call "partial-birth" abortions, a leading abortion-rights advocate said. The goal was to entice moderate Republicans and Democrats to also vote present, helping to defeat the bills.

If that's not implied racism, I don't know what is.

RJ, I didn't write that.

No kidding!!

So why are you implying racism in connection with MY name? I find that highly offensive.

By posting other peoples opinions as your arugment, you do imply that you support that persons positions.

If you don't like that, start writing your own opinions. Than we can have a real political discussion rather than just proxy arguments.

[rebeccajo 14]

This is so ugly.

When I read these threads I just feel really awful about people in general.

I mean obviously some posters are more rancorous, mean-spirited and generally unpleasant in most ways than others, but for the most part, this is just icky to read.

So don't?

Sometimes I suspect Alex is into S&M.

don't tease me like that.

Are you just bopping in and out of this party?

[Ban Hammer 13,678]

That post is quite ridiculous and quite possibly violates a TOS.

That post is just fairplay. I guess accusing a person of sexism is somehow more tolerable than racism?

it sure seems so.

[AnewKINDofFEELIN 0]

This is so ugly.

When I read these threads I just feel really awful about people in general.

I mean obviously some posters are more rancorous, mean-spirited and generally unpleasant in most ways than others, but for the most part, this is just icky to read.

So don't?

Sometimes I suspect Alex is into S&M.

don't tease me like that.

Are you just bopping in and out of this party?

Charles likes to sit in the back of the theater quietly so that he can "enjoy" himself.

[Ban Hammer 13,678]

I think you both need taken out behind the woodshed and given a licking.

if you are giving them, where does the line form?