Carter, Annan to Lead Peace Delegation to Middle East

[simple_male 1]

Wow, simple_male, all your favorite characters in one place.

No one is my favorite character here, I say what I think is right, I agree with what I think is right, I do not agree with what I think is not right.

You have a nice weekend, mawilson.

Edited March 7, 2008 by simple_male

[Ban Hammer 13,206]

Are you really allowed to call me that kind of a name? Amazing.

However, back to intractable seeming conflicts there are many people who can and do see the correlation between the Northern Irish and South African conflicts and the Palestinian/Israeli conflict and that there has been a settlement in two lends hope that there can be a settlement in the third. Added to that the will of such eminant ambassadors it seems at least possible to view a glimmer of hope from such an delegation and to simply say the'll fail seems to me exessively glib.

probably just as allowed as you are able to call me ignorant

it's two entirely different cultures. end of story.

Incidentally, would you care to expand how the Irish are more 'malleable' as you have clearly stated that wasn't a dig but a well thought out and intelligent comment on the topic at hand.

see my previous remark.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Someone doing something is better than many people doing nothing. But gabbing about it all the same.

Best of luck to them.

[sandinista! 1,816]

Wow, simple_male, all your favorite characters in one place.

I realise this was a flip comment, but we are not one person posting under a host of different pseudomyms...or are we?

i think he maybe meant carter, mandela, tutu, annan, etc. simple has cited their words, beliefs, etc. in other threads.

[mawilson 2,133]

Wow, simple_male, all your favorite characters in one place.

I realise this was a flip comment, but we are not one person posting under a host of different pseudomyms...or are we?

i think he maybe meant carter, mandela, tutu, annan, etc. simple has cited their words, beliefs, etc. in other threads.

Yes, that's what I meant, thank you.

[GaryC 7]

I just don't think it will work as long as Hamas speaks for the Palestinians. They don't seem to want peace, only more bloodshed. If the Palestinians voted in a reasonable government then yes, I would think peace is achievable. The Palestinian people made a big mistake when they chose them for their government, it’s one they have come to regret I bet. It’s also one they can correct. But until then all they can hope for is more of the same.

[simple_male 1]

Wow, simple_male, all your favorite characters in one place.

I realise this was a flip comment, but we are not one person posting under a host of different pseudomyms...or are we?

i think he maybe meant carter, mandela, tutu, annan, etc. simple has cited their words, beliefs, etc. in other threads.

Yes, that's what I meant, thank you.

Oh I see the point. Well, I have great respect for them (Carter, Mandela, Tutu, Annan, etc), because their views are fair and balanced and well respected around the world. At least, they are trying to do something while others are being indifferent. Oh, maybe Carter, Mandela, Tutu, Annan all are posting here using my name.

Mawilson, I hope, you will support their efforts. Shalom Alaikhum.

Edited March 8, 2008 by simple_male

[Dan J 277]

I just don't think it will work as long as Hamas speaks for the Palestinians. They don't seem to want peace, only more bloodshed. If the Palestinians voted in a reasonable government then yes, I would think peace is achievable. The Palestinian people made a big mistake when they chose them for their government, it’s one they have come to regret I bet. It’s also one they can correct. But until then all they can hope for is more of the same.

The reason why the power sharing government with Hamas failed was not because of Hamas. But because Israel and the United States refused to deal with that government as long as Hamas was part of it.

Hamas represents a large portion of the Palestinian population. Any peace deal has to include them, or it will fail. They have too much popular support to simply ignore.

[GaryC 7]

I just don't think it will work as long as Hamas speaks for the Palestinians. They don't seem to want peace, only more bloodshed. If the Palestinians voted in a reasonable government then yes, I would think peace is achievable. The Palestinian people made a big mistake when they chose them for their government, it’s one they have come to regret I bet. It’s also one they can correct. But until then all they can hope for is more of the same.

The reason why the power sharing government with Hamas failed was not because of Hamas. But because Israel and the United States refused to deal with that government as long as Hamas was part of it.

Hamas represents a large portion of the Palestinian population. Any peace deal has to include them, or it will fail. They have too much popular support to simply ignore.

Then it is doomed to fail.

[Peikko 1,575]

Are you really allowed to call me that kind of a name? Amazing.

However, back to intractable seeming conflicts there are many people who can and do see the correlation between the Northern Irish and South African conflicts and the Palestinian/Israeli conflict and that there has been a settlement in two lends hope that there can be a settlement in the third. Added to that the will of such eminant ambassadors it seems at least possible to view a glimmer of hope from such an delegation and to simply say the'll fail seems to me exessively glib.

probably just as allowed as you are able to call me ignorant

it's two entirely different cultures. end of story.

Incidentally, would you care to expand how the Irish are more 'malleable' as you have clearly stated that wasn't a dig but a well thought out and intelligent comment on the topic at hand.

see my previous remark.

Ignorance as in lacking knowledge of the subject and your remark (again flip) betrays the fact that indeed on this subject you are.

[Peikko 1,575]

A #### is a slang word for a ####### - yes, I can see how my calling you ignorant rates as an equivelant.

As to your argument, or lack of, you are suggesting that the Irish, being a different, more easily manipulated culture that a peaceful settlement is possible where in the Middle East that just would never happen? Whatever way you look at it, that's a flimsy argument and mildly insulting to everyone.

However, feel free to share more of your enlightenment. It's certainly entertaining on some level.

Wow, simple_male, all your favorite characters in one place.

I realise this was a flip comment, but we are not one person posting under a host of different pseudomyms...or are we?

i think he maybe meant carter, mandela, tutu, annan, etc. simple has cited their words, beliefs, etc. in other threads.

Yes, that's what I meant, thank you.

My apologies for the misinterpretation. I took it entirely the wrong way.

Edited March 8, 2008 by Purple_Hibiscus

[Ban Hammer 13,206]

A #### is a slang word for a ####### - yes, I can see how my calling you ignorant rates as an equivelant.

As to your argument, or lack of, you are suggesting that the Irish, being a different, more easily manipulated culture that a peaceful settlement is possible where in the Middle East that just would never happen? Whatever way you look at it, that's a flimsy argument and mildly insulting to everyone.

However, feel free to share more of your enlightenment. It's certainly entertaining on some level.

i guess you'll just have to hide and watch as this plan goes down in flames.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

I just don't think it will work as long as Hamas speaks for the Palestinians. They don't seem to want peace, only more bloodshed. If the Palestinians voted in a reasonable government then yes, I would think peace is achievable. The Palestinian people made a big mistake when they chose them for their government, it’s one they have come to regret I bet. It’s also one they can correct. But until then all they can hope for is more of the same.

Well, if you don't like it, you can thank the genius in the White House. He's the one who insisted that Palestinian elections be held in January 2006, and he's the one who said Hamas should be allowed to participate.

Everyone who knew *anything* about the Palestinian/Israeli situation TOLD him that Fatah's rep was so low at the time that Hamas was sure to sweep the elections. Abbas begged him not to rush the elections. The Israelis begged him not to rush the elections.

But when Georgie seizes on some crazy idea, seems nobody can knock it out of his little pea brain.

The results were no surprise to anyone. Except George W. So let's give credit where credit is due.

[greeneyedgirlfl 0]

Someone doing something is better than many people doing nothing. But gabbing about it all the same.

Best of luck to them.

I completely agree...let's try diplomacy for a change...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I just don't think it will work as long as Hamas speaks for the Palestinians. They don't seem to want peace, only more bloodshed. If the Palestinians voted in a reasonable government then yes, I would think peace is achievable. The Palestinian people made a big mistake when they chose them for their government, it’s one they have come to regret I bet. It’s also one they can correct. But until then all they can hope for is more of the same.

Well, if you don't like it, you can thank the genius in the White House. He's the one who insisted that Palestinian elections be held in January 2006, and he's the one who said Hamas should be allowed to participate.

Everyone who knew *anything* about the Palestinian/Israeli situation TOLD him that Fatah's rep was so low at the time that Hamas was sure to sweep the elections. Abbas begged him not to rush the elections. The Israelis begged him not to rush the elections.

But when Georgie seizes on some crazy idea, seems nobody can knock it out of his little pea brain.

The results were no surprise to anyone. Except George W. So let's give credit where credit is due.

It certainly wasn't the best call.