Mexico to decriminalize pot, cocaine and heroin.

[Traviesa 0]

ummm...no.....I actually was quite clear that I read what I did on another site a long time ago....her fiance was from Jamaica....

Ok sorry I'll get more specific then and state that I was responding to Michelle's comment about knowing of a member on this board...yikes sorry for the confusion you all!

[almaty 19]

ummm...no.....I actually was quite clear that I read what I did on another site a long time ago....her fiance was from Jamaica....

Ok sorry I'll get more specific then and state that I was responding to Michelle's comment about knowing of a member on this board...yikes sorry for the confusion you all!

it is cool..it the week-end i hope you have some fun and a few laughs..your brother dean

[Welshcookie 17]

Interesting question. I don't know that they do routine drug testing for a visa but I don't really know.

I was really just trying to address this....I am not sure whether immigration actually DO drug tests on applicants from certain countries.....

no.....no cheap shots here....it's the weekend afterall

[almaty 19]

Interesting question. I don't know that they do routine drug testing for a visa but I don't really know.

I was really just trying to address this....I am not sure whether immigration actually DO drug tests on applicants from certain countries.....

no.....no cheap shots here....it's the weekend afterall

that my sister welch cake

[Traviesa 0]

Interesting question. I don't know that they do routine drug testing for a visa but I don't really know.

I was really just trying to address this....I am not sure whether immigration actually DO drug tests on applicants from certain countries.....

no.....no cheap shots here....it's the weekend afterall

I am pretty sure they do from all...even countries where it is legal there!

My thoughts on the subject-hmmm, it's no good! Just another instance for this government to show that it doesn't care about it's people!

By the way, what does "decriminalization" actually mean? Is it making it legal or something else?

[iceyspots 0]

Mexico to decriminalize pot, cocaine and heroin.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060428/ts_nm/mexico_drugs_dc

good. tobacco and alchohol do much more harm (even in Mexico)

"Annual Drug Deaths: Tobacco: 395,000, Alcohol: 125,000, 'Legal' Drugs: 38,000, Illegal Drug Overdoses: 5,200, Marijuana: 0. Considering government subsidies of tobacco, just what is our government protecting us from in the drug war?"

--Ralph Nader

In order to pass a medical here(for a visa, obviously) does a person from Mexico still have to be free of all of these things if they are legal in his/her country?

yes. You are complying to the requirements of the USA so other countries laws don't count.

But it seems that is just analyzing overdoses... There are many other ways illegal drug users die... Long term organ failure, suicide, driving under influence of that drug, murder etc etc etc that's only using stats from one type of death.

Interesting question. I don't know that they do routine drug testing for a visa but I don't really know.

I was really just trying to address this....I am not sure whether immigration actually DO drug tests on applicants from certain countries.....

no.....no cheap shots here....it's the weekend afterall

I am pretty sure they do from all...even countries where it is legal there!

My thoughts on the subject-hmmm, it's no good! Just another instance for this government to show that it doesn't care about it's people!

By the way, what does "decriminalization" actually mean? Is it making it legal or something else?

Decriminalization makes it to where you can carry small amounts of the substance and not get in trouble.

But that makes me think, if a lot of people have a small amount, SOMEONE has to be dealing...

[PsychoKat 0]

good. tobacco and alchohol do much more harm (even in Mexico)

"Annual Drug Deaths: Tobacco: 395,000, Alcohol: 125,000, 'Legal' Drugs: 38,000, Illegal Drug Overdoses: 5,200, Marijuana: 0. Considering government subsidies of tobacco, just what is our government protecting us from in the drug war?"

--Ralph Nader

But it seems that is just analyzing overdoses... There are many other ways illegal drug users die... Long term organ failure, suicide, driving under influence of that drug, murder etc etc etc that's only using stats from one type of death.

The thing is alcohol is can be blamed for causing the same things that illegal drug use can. The long term effect regarding organ failure can be attributed to both...in the case of alcohol cirrosis (sp) of the liver and other problems. suicide, murder etc. I've had close relationships with a couple of alcoholics and I have a sister that has over come her meth addiction twice. The effects on health, coordination, interractions, and impact on families aren't really any different between the two. Both are also considered addictive. The prominant differences lie in acceptability. One is illegal because of it's effects, one is considered acceptable despite the effects being just as damaging. Because Alcohol is considered an "acceptable" drug it's readily available and although there are laws against driving under the influence, it's quite common for people to do so because it's a socially acceptable drug.

People to tend to tie the crime aspect into drugs. But if you look back in history when prohibition was inacted organized crime took over the supply of alcohol to the public (as it is now with illegal drugs) and people were being shot in the middle of the streets by those mobs. When something that is in demand is illegalized, organized crime will cover the demand. And the demand is there. I spent some time working in a pharmacy and you have no idea how many people even elderly people will try to call in pretending to be doctors or write their own perscriptions, or doctor shop using multiple names and addresses.

[MichelleandCraig 1]

Actually, MissLizz, I was referring to that and please don't think I meant anything bad by it! I didn't at all! (it only came to mind when I read this title of thread.) Thanks for clarifying it, I had forgotten all the ins and outs of it..just knew you were upset at the time, and wondered if these new laws would make any kind of difference in cases like that here now. I thought, for some reason, that J. had tested positive for that, but I forgot the details of it. I remember now that you mentioned the circumstances again...that he did test negative but he admitted to trying it and that was the problem. Tried to word it so that it didn't come off sounding like I was meaning anything bad against him. Take care, M.

Edited April 29, 2006 by MichelleandCraig

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

I am pretty sure they do from all...even countries where it is legal there!

My thoughts on the subject-hmmm, it's no good! Just another instance for this government to show that it doesn't care about it's people!

By the way, what does "decriminalization" actually mean? Is it making it legal or something else?

For one. Soft drugs are tolerated (decriminialized) in the Netherlands. Drugs aren't bad.. people are bad.

"A key aspect of Dutch drug policy is the notion of market separation. By classifying drugs according to the risks posed and then pursuing policies that serve to isolate each market, it is felt that users of soft drugs are less likely to come into contact with users of hard drugs. Thus, the theory goes, users of soft drugs are less likely to try hard drugs. Possession of small amounts of cannabis for personal use has been decriminalized in the Netherlands. The sale of cannabis is technically an offence under the Opium Act, but prosecutorial guidelines provide that proceedings will only be instituted in certain situations. An operator or owner of a coffee shop (which is not permitted to sell alcohol) will avoid prosecution if he/she meets the following criteria:

* no more than 5 grams per person may be sold in any one transaction;

* no hard drugs may be sold;

* drugs may not be advertised;

* the coffee shop must not cause any nuisance;

* no drugs can be sold to minors (under age 18), nor may minors enter the premises; and

* the municipality has not ordered the establishment closed."

[MichelleandCraig 1]

I don't totally agree Fuzz, that decriminalization doesn't make them legal...I know it still doesn't make it legal to sell them,etc etc but it makes small amounts legal for personal use, which is what I was thinking of... M.

[Fuzzness 2]

Decriminalization: To reduce or abolish criminal penalties for

speeding is illegal, but do we throw people in jail for speeding?

[MichelleandCraig 1]

All I'm saying is I read the article in the original post, and that's the word they used..they are descriminalizing small amounts of these drugs, that are used only for the consumption by that particular person. IMO, I would compare it to..you can buy a DVD and use it yourself, but it's criminal to reproduce it and give it to someone else. and no btw...but I wasn't talking about speeding. (Not trying to argue with you at ALL, just trying to clarify what I meant. )

PS..gotta run..supposed to be at mom/dads in 45 min. and didn't even get in the bath yet.... M.

Edited April 29, 2006 by MichelleandCraig

[Traviesa 0]

Actually, MissLizz, I was referring to that and please don't think I meant anything bad by it! I didn't at all! (it only came to mind when I read this title of thread.) Thanks for clarifying it, I had forgotten all the ins and outs of it..just knew you were upset at the time, and wondered if these new laws would make any kind of difference in cases like that here now. I thought, for some reason, that J. had tested positive for that, but I forgot the details of it. I remember now that you mentioned the circumstances again...that he did test negative but he admitted to trying it and that was the problem. Tried to word it so that it didn't come off sounding like I was meaning anything bad against him. Take care, M.

Hey Michelle! I had a feeling you were referring to us, which is the reason why I wanted to clarify that he didn't test positive for drug use! I wasn't upset or anything, I know that the situation is complicated and some details can be easily forgotten! See, I'm not paranoid, you all!! I e-mailed the attorney to see if it would make a difference but I suspect it won't for 3 main reasons:

1. he never posessed or actually used the drug to begin with

2. his incident happened before this law came to pass

3. the law refers to posession only, not usage (or suspected usage, lol)

[MichelleandCraig 1]

Hmmm...if that's right (number 3 on Melissa's list above)then Fuzz would be right..it still wouldnt' actually be legal. (even in small amounts for personal use..but I'm too lazy to go backand read the article in the first post rightnow..but I'm sure that's what it said.) What is the use of making small amounts in possession ONLY legal if someone still isn't allowed to use it??? I don't quite understand.... M.

[Fuzzness 2]

I know I'm right. We have decriminalized posession in Canada.