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[Jason-Sasha 1]

They all seem to publicly condemn the actions of Muslim terrorists, yet those same terrorists are screaming the fact that they are doing what they're doing in the name of their Allah. Please...

May I play devils advocate.. as I love this role

Arent there MANY christians,catholics and such that kill.bomb ect abortion clinics? They do it in the name of GOD right?.. so does that mean that I, being christian, support that? Do they represent the whole faith? oh ya, its IGNORANCE and fear that breeds terror and hate.

and you say that "they" publicly condemn the actions.. but "the same terrorists" so, these are one in the same group? am i understanding this correctly?

P.S-there are also mentally ill people who say "god told them to do it"

Um...no, you obviously miunderstood. "Those same terrorists"...meaning the terrorists in question. The ones who are publicly condemned by decent Muslims. Any killing in the name of any imaginary God is just evil. I dont care which flavor of brainwashing it is. And someone who's handicapped may claim they are following God's words. But you have just solidified my point. Those people were Mentally Ill!! So, what does that tell you? Ignorance is the lacking of factual knowledge.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I think the point was clear - that the book itself doesn't promote or justify these things. I should add I don't know enough about it to say whether it does or not.

People fixate on the religion, but ignore cultural differences and sectarian divisions. Isn't this the cause of half the current troubles in Iraq?

I do think there's a lot of misunderstanding out there about the middle-east, and I'd hazard a guess that most people over here probably wouldn't make much of a distinction between an Iranian, a Saudi, a Palestinian or an Iraqi; or indeed the difference between a Sunni or a Shia muslim for that matter.

Its rather like looking at the continent of Africa and writing it off simply as "here be black people".

Edited March 5, 2008 by Number 6

[SqdnGuns 21]

Then why don't more Muslims SPEAK UP!!

The silence is practically a sign of approval.

Of course, Muslims do.

The ones that can make a change don't..................I hear empty rhetoric and see none setting the example.

Please read my edited post. I gave some condemnation examples by CAIR (Council on American Islamic Relations). But the link is here again:

http://www.cair.com/AmericanMuslims/AntiTerrorism.aspx

Like some dumbfvck terrorist gives a rats ### to what CAIR has to say, It needs to come from Muslim nations, unfortunately all they want to do is perpetuate the bull$hit.

[sara535 15]

I think the point was clear - that the book itself doesn't promote or justify these things. I should add I don't know enough about it to say whether it does or not.

People fixate on the religion, but ignore cultural differences and sectarian divisions. Isn't this the cause of half the current troubles in Iraq?

I do think there's a lot of misunderstanding out there about the middle-east, and I'd hazard a guess that most people over here probably wouldn't make much of a distinction between an Iranian, a Saudi, a Palestinian or an Iraqi; or indeed the difference between a Sunni or a Shia muslim for that matter.

Its rather like looking at the continent of Africa and writing it off simply as "here be black people".

exactly.

[Dan J 277]

Christians can certainly be extremeists too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord's_Resistance_Army

[Risto 0]

Then why don't more Muslims SPEAK UP!!

The silence is practically a sign of approval.

Of course, Muslims do. For example, please read the following link from Council On American-Islamic Relations, a leading Islamic group in USA, website:

http://www.cair.com/AmericanMuslims/AntiTerrorism.aspx

By the way, the word "jihad" does not mean "holy war." It means "Internal Struggle," a person's struggle within his/her soul.

and blowing yourself on the bus among people screaming alah is great means “bowel relief”

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I'm Arab and Muslim. I get up every morning and put my jeans on one leg at a time just like non-Muslims do. I work every day, just like non-Muslims do. I do this every day no matter what part of the world I'm in. I don't know any more terrorists than anyone else in this thread does, nor have I sent anyone off to blow up people or things. I don't have a better plan to stop terrorism done in the name of Islam than George Bush does because I haven't a clue as to what makes someone think that Islam allows that.

I do know that the Quran doesn't validate what they do, and I tell people that it doesn't. I know that community leaders, clerics, politicians, and others have condenmed terrorism and it is the media who remain silent about it. I know also that the mainstream, secular media prefers sensationalism to information, and we are all poorer for it.

[HLM 1]

the only reason u dont see muslims condemning it is becoz this is not what u re media is interested in .. but if there was a demonstration about something and anger somewhere hell they ll be there frst!!!! we have to be the bad ppl here if we re not... its only gonna look bad for America so lets keep the justification of the daily murders on air 24/7!

[HLM 1]

i will try as much as i can to represent as a muslim in america -soon to be- what my religion is about the manners and morals and the real values of a muslim..... thats how i wd condemn those acts. Anyother way i will be shut down and i ve seen it happen... i saw more ppl understand us more just by watching us on daily basis leading a normal n peaceful life. If there was ever a way to have our voice heard at least for once i wd definitly take part of it. On VJ i never thought i wd find so many racists and prejudice im not gonna say they represent all Americans but it definitly gave me a taste of what its going to be like at times! im not attacking anyone im just saying what i experienced here. its disappointing coz thinking ppl who get married to non americans give u the idea they re open minded ppl with tolerance of other cultures, religions etc.

[joelunchbox 0]

By focusing too closely on the religious aspect of terrorism, we may be forgetting that other needs often trump religious needs. Eating, sleeping, etc (hierchy of needs) must be satisfied before someone can look forward to the next level. Sometimes that means just having hope about the next day.

If you are starving, it is doubtful that you are attending school. If you aren't attending school you probably can't read and if you can read.......do you have time and energy to actually consider what you are reading?

Some people accept religious paplum (doesn't matter what religion either) because they are worried about just surviving. That group of people are most likely to becomes "victims" of extremist religions.

My question continues to be: What happened to the Islamic religion of knowledge? Those who were once the keepers of knowledge and enlightenment have become the scourge of all things scientific and enlightening. Why does a large population not ask questions of their religious leaders. And again, that applies to all religions.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

My question continues to be: What happened to the Islamic religion of knowledge? Those who were once the keepers of knowledge and enlightenment have become the scourge of all things scientific and enlightening. Why does a large population not ask questions of their religious leaders. And again, that applies to all religions.

There were a number of internal revolutions in the middle ages (the Mamluks for example), and not least the Mongol invasions - that laid waste to pretty much the entire region. Its often underestimated the amount of damage they actually did - and I'd hazard a guess that if Europe was as comprehensively pillaged and destroeyd as the ME was at that time, Europe countries would likely be in a similar position to today's middle-east.

[simple_male 1]

Then why don't more Muslims SPEAK UP!!

The silence is practically a sign of approval.

Of course, Muslims do. For example, please read the following link from Council On American-Islamic Relations, a leading Islamic group in USA, website:

http://www.cair.com/AmericanMuslims/AntiTerrorism.aspx

By the way, the word "jihad" does not mean "holy war." It means "Internal Struggle," a person's struggle within his/her soul.

and blowing yourself on the bus among people screaming alah is great means “bowel relief”

Someone can blow up screaming allah is great, but it does not mean Allah likes that person's action. Christians also killed people in the name of Jesus, but we all know Jesus said, "Thou shall not kill."

[simple_male 1]

Then why don't more Muslims SPEAK UP!!

The silence is practically a sign of approval.

Of course, Muslims do.

The ones that can make a change don't..................I hear empty rhetoric and see none setting the example.

Please read my edited post. I gave some condemnation examples by CAIR (Council on American Islamic Relations). But the link is here again:

http://www.cair.com/AmericanMuslims/AntiTerrorism.aspx

Like some dumbfvck terrorist gives a rats ### to what CAIR has to say, It needs to come from Muslim nations, unfortunately all they want to do is perpetuate the bull$hit.

You should be aware of the fact that all heads of state of Muslim nations condemn it. But the media does not report it here. You need to show at least one example of a head of state of a Muslim nation who condones this "bull$hit."

I think the point was clear - that the book itself doesn't promote or justify these things. I should add I don't know enough about it to say whether it does or not.

People fixate on the religion, but ignore cultural differences and sectarian divisions. Isn't this the cause of half the current troubles in Iraq?

I do think there's a lot of misunderstanding out there about the middle-east, and I'd hazard a guess that most people over here probably wouldn't make much of a distinction between an Iranian, a Saudi, a Palestinian or an Iraqi; or indeed the difference between a Sunni or a Shia muslim for that matter.

Its rather like looking at the continent of Africa and writing it off simply as "here be black people".

exactly.

Yes. Number 6 is very precise and to the point.

Edited March 5, 2008 by simple_male

[Heracles 417]

Someone can blow up screaming allah is great, but it does not mean Allah likes that person's action. Christians also killed people in the name of Jesus, but we all know Jesus said, "Thou shall not kill."

I think anyone with half a brain knows that these extremist Muslims are simply full ####. Hence why they chose to kill anyone who disagrees with them. Be it Muslim, Christian atheist etc.

These guys are the ones bringing the religion down and not anyone else. While some talk a big game, it just seems that everyone else is the one trying to weed them out of Islam.

[simple_male 1]

Someone can blow up screaming allah is great, but it does not mean Allah likes that person's action. Christians also killed people in the name of Jesus, but we all know Jesus said, "Thou shall not kill."

I think anyone with half a brain knows that these extremist Muslims are simply full ####. Hence why they chose to kill anyone who disagrees with them. Be it Muslim, Christian atheist etc.

These guys are the ones bringing the religion down and not anyone else. While some talk a big game, it just seems that everyone else is the one trying to weed them out of Islam.

Well said.