Texas teen charged with killing her mom, brothers

[mawilson 2,133]

No - but I'm sure you can. If you care to look.

Here - I'll start the ball rolling for you. 2 minutes on Google.

Judge's anger at smirking teen murder suspects

Linda Walicky Charged Over Revesby Stabbings

Ahh Can't see where I said "it does not occur overseas" but if you want to get smart and get technical can you show me a recent similar case in AUS????

Both links are about Australia.

[Heracles 417]

Both links are about Australia.

Are they similar cases? yes or no, period!

Does it occur anywhere near as often there? yes or no

[Peikko 1,575]

Actually, it could't mean anything. However, if you would like to revise your post to reflect what you actually mean then go ahead. A simple google search as you call it gives you sensational reporting of crimes. With no statistical information to back up a claim that the incidence for certain types of crime amongst a specific group of people is rising dramatically, or even significantly leaves you with nothing but a 'feeling' that something is occuring. Not very scientific.

[Heracles 417]

But its not like you haven't used broadbrush terms in relation to stories like this before...

yes. I remember those discussions about parents being just as responsible as previous generations.

Here is another of those isolated parenting incidents you defended..

http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.asp?S=7949128

Police investigating case of intoxicated 3-year-old

Feb 29, 2008 08:11 PM

Edited March 4, 2008 by Boo-Yah!

[DeadPoolX 9]

You might also want to take into account that Google only turns up what's reported. In other words, what the media knows and has written about or broadcast about on television/radio. So whatever Google finds is, in effect, the result of the ever-present press.

That doesn't mean it's necessarily invalid; there are quite a bit of crimes involving teenagers. However, it might be worthwhile to remember that the media tends to focus on the sensational, while ignoring the mundane. Teens who do the "right thing" won't sell newspapers or bring in high ratings, but ones who murder their entire families will.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

No - but I'm sure you can. If you care to look.

Here - I'll start the ball rolling for you. 2 minutes on Google.

Judge's anger at smirking teen murder suspects

Linda Walicky Charged Over Revesby Stabbings

Ahh Can't see where I said "it does not occur overseas" but if you want to get smart and get technical can you show me a recent similar case in AUS????

You said to show you similar cases that have happened in AUS. 1-2 years is "recent" for our purposes.

Still I'm sure if you read your national newspaper you could find something similar, if you put your mind to it.

Here - I'll help you out. I went to www.theaustralian.com and did a keyword search for "murder".

Here's a heartwarming story.

'Tomahawk' attack four face court

By Elissa Hunt | February 26, 2008

THREE men and a youth faced court yesterday accused of attempted murder over a vicious attack that has left a teenager fighting for his life.

Bao Tran, 17, remains in a critical condition at Royal Melbourne Hospital after the brawl in Kealba last Friday that involved up to 11 people.

Mr Tran is on life support in an induced coma with serious head injuries.

It is alleged a tomahawk was used in the attack.

Three men faced Melbourne Magistrates' Court charged with attempted murder, intentionally and recklessly causing injury and other offences.

Daniel Sazdof, 25, of Taylors Hill, Noel Lunt, 20, of St Albans, and Le Viet Huynh, 19, of Kealba, were remanded in custody to face the same court on May 19.

A youth aged 16 faced a children's court charged with attempted murder and was remanded in custody to face court in May.

What about this from last July?

Parents forgive daughter of 'murder plot'

By Jade Bilowol | July 12, 2007

THE forgiving parents of a teenage girl who plotted to slash their throats with her boyfriend's help have implored a judge not to send her to jail.

In February last year, the then 15-year-old schoolgirl and her boyfriend Joshua Andrew Hockey, who was 18, allegedly plotted to murder the girl's parents so the pair could spend more time together.

In the Brisbane Supreme Court today, Justice John Byrne remarked that the girl, who went to an exclusive private school, had an "obsessional infatuation (with Hockey) in the context of a sexual relationship".

The girl, 16, who cannot be identified, and Hockey, 20, of Brisbane, have pleaded guilty to attempted murder and conspiracy to murder.

Justice Byrne remanded the pair – who sat at opposite ends of the dock and did not make eye contact – in custody, prompting the girl's distraught mother to break down.

He said he would sentence them within the week.

The court heard it was only "pure luck" that the "chilling" plan failed after a balaclava-clad Hockey, brandishing a knife, was overpowered by the girl's stepfather during an intense struggle.

In the early hours of February 18, the girl sneaked her lover into her home, where he lay in wait in the bathroom for her parents.

The young couple had been together for only a month, after meeting on the internet, when they hatched and tried to carry out the plan.

In victim impact statements tendered to the court, the girl's parents pleaded for her not to be sent to detention.

They said they had forgiven her and were working to help her overcome difficulties.

However, they did not forgive Hockey, who has apologised to them and was supported in court today by many family members including his grandmother and aunts.

The girl's defence barrister, Tony Glynn, said his client had been raped when she was 13 and subsequently suffered from a post-traumatic syndrome and a major depressive illness.

Mr Glynn said these problems had left her "vulnerable" to being influenced by Hockey, who he claimed had boasted of being a hitman and shown her a gun.

"If it wasn't for her condition, she wouldn't have engaged in this conduct," he said.

[Heracles 417]

Actually, it could't mean anything. However, if you would like to revise your post to reflect what you actually mean then go ahead. A simple google search as you call it gives you sensational reporting of crimes. With no statistical information to back up a claim that the incidence for certain types of crime amongst a specific group of people is rising dramatically, or even significantly leaves you with nothing but a 'feeling' that something is occuring. Not very scientific.

Well we have gone down this road before. Any scientific evidence is usually brushed off since it basically disagrees with some views.

Edited March 4, 2008 by Boo-Yah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You might also want to take into account that Google only turns up what's reported. In other words, what the media knows and has written about or broadcast about on television/radio. So whatever Google finds is, in effect, the result of the ever-present press.

That doesn't mean it's necessarily invalid; there are quite a bit of crimes involving teenagers. However, it might be worthwhile to remember that the media tends to focus on the sensational, while ignoring the mundane. Teens who do the "right thing" won't sell newspapers or bring in high ratings, but ones who murder their entire families will.

True - but the whole context of this thread is hardly mundane is it? A teen charged with killing her family...

[Peikko 1,575]

Yes, I get it, you have a 'feeling' that something terrible is happening however you have no evidence. Anecdotes are not evidence. Terrible things do happen and it's fine to express dismay and to even wish to research and to see if there is anything sensible that can or should be done to try to reduce and prevent violent crimes. However, expressing outrage at teenagers just isn't constructive or useful.

Edited March 4, 2008 by Purple_Hibiscus

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Actually, it could't mean anything. However, if you would like to revise your post to reflect what you actually mean then go ahead. A simple google search as you call it gives you sensational reporting of crimes. With no statistical information to back up a claim that the incidence for certain types of crime amongst a specific group of people is rising dramatically, or even significantly leaves you with nothing but a 'feeling' that something is occuring. Not very scientific.

No it isn't is it.

In a few minutes he might figure out that that was actually the point.

[DeadPoolX 9]

You might also want to take into account that Google only turns up what's reported. In other words, what the media knows and has written about or broadcast about on television/radio. So whatever Google finds is, in effect, the result of the ever-present press.

That doesn't mean it's necessarily invalid; there are quite a bit of crimes involving teenagers. However, it might be worthwhile to remember that the media tends to focus on the sensational, while ignoring the mundane. Teens who do the "right thing" won't sell newspapers or bring in high ratings, but ones who murder their entire families will.

True - but the whole context of this thread is hardly mundane is it? A teen charged with killing her family...

Then you missed my point entirely. Boo-Yah said you (by which I assume he meant "anyone") could look up the assorted crimes teenagers commit today by performing a quick Google search. I merely attempted to clarify that Google, despite being a fantastic search engine, is just that -- a search engine and can only find what has been put on the Internet.

Cases like the one this thread was originally about are reported by the media, therefore Google would most likely find that. Understanding this, it would be a mistake to say that just because Google can find whatever has been posted online about criminal teens represents every teenager in the United States, Australia, or even the world.

[Heracles 417]

You said to show you similar cases that have happened in AUS. 1-2 years is "recent" for our purposes.

Still I'm sure if you read your national newspaper you could find something similar, if you put your mind to it

So you are saying that these sort of incidents occur at the same rate overseas? Yes?

[Heracles 417]

Then you missed my point entirely. Boo-Yah said you (by which I assume he meant "anyone") could look up the assorted crimes teenagers commit today by performing a quick Google search. I merely attempted to clarify that Google, despite being a fantastic search engine, is just that -- a search engine and can only find what has been put on the Internet.

Cases like the one this thread was originally about are reported by the media, therefore Google would most likely find that. Understanding this, it would be a mistake to say that just because Google can find whatever has been posted online about criminal teens represents every teenager in the United States, Australia, or even the world.

The studies and statistics are there and I can use my access to academic journals to show them but why should I do that to prove my point to #6 and PH. If they don't agree then they should simply move on rather than saying prove it every single time. I simply do not have the time to sit there and prove every point to someone anonymous disagreeing with me in a visa forum.

Edited March 4, 2008 by Boo-Yah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You might also want to take into account that Google only turns up what's reported. In other words, what the media knows and has written about or broadcast about on television/radio. So whatever Google finds is, in effect, the result of the ever-present press.

That doesn't mean it's necessarily invalid; there are quite a bit of crimes involving teenagers. However, it might be worthwhile to remember that the media tends to focus on the sensational, while ignoring the mundane. Teens who do the "right thing" won't sell newspapers or bring in high ratings, but ones who murder their entire families will.

True - but the whole context of this thread is hardly mundane is it? A teen charged with killing her family...

Then you missed my point entirely. Boo-Yah said you (by which I assume he meant "anyone") could look up the assorted crimes teenagers commit today by performing a quick Google search. I merely attempted to clarify that Google, despite being a fantastic search engine, is just that -- a search engine and can only find what has been put on the Internet.

Cases like the one this thread was originally about are reported by the media, therefore Google would most likely find that. Understanding this, it would be a mistake to say that just because Google can find whatever has been posted online about criminal teens represents every teenager in the United States, Australia, or even the world.

Well of course it doesn't. It's Booyah's oft-repeated contention that news stories can be taken as illustrations of negative social trends pertaining to criminality.

The media has always been a pretty poor tool with which to "measure society". It just makes people more aware of the bad stuff.

[Niels Bohr 72]

Is this threading trying to prove a point? Or, should it be better spent on improving the lives of Americans by preventing these occurances whether or not it's high or low.