McCain disavows comments about Obama

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Im trying to draw a comparison between the outrage for a person who says a persons middle name versus the happiness one feels when they see Bushs head on a hitler uniform.

[simple_male 1]

Im trying to draw a comparison between the outrage for a person who says a persons middle name versus the happiness one feels when they see Bushs head on a hitler uniform.

Then start a new thread about drawing that comparison. This thread is not about Obama's Garb, Farakhan, Church Pastor, Bush and Oil.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I haven't heard any other commentator use Obama's middle name, at least not in this way. However, I am not a big fan of radio talk shows, they pretty much all suck. I also think you are flogging a dead horse on this one, there are some concepts that some people don't get and this appears to be one of them. Where some see attempts at smearing, others see political correctness gone mad. In the final analysis, I don't think something like this is going to have any effect on whether Obama is elected or not. Anyone swayed by this type of rhetoric isn't going to be voting for him no matter what.

The talk radio folks are pretty much the same on that score - though I'm always bemused that they refer to the media in the 3rd person, as though "the media" is some separate thing that they are not a part of.

I listened to part of the Michael Savage show the other day and he was making out that Obama's family background is some sort of perfect breeding ground for turning out Liberals and Commies. Then you have those newspaper articles from the other day - making a huge stink about a throwaway comment made by Obama's wife - as if it reveals some sort of dirty secret about his campaign and politics.

I doubt it will have much of an impact on anything at the end of the day. You'd have to be extraordinarily... well... dumb to buy into a spurious rationale about someone's middle name to make you not vote for a candidate. That said, I do know people who are strongly against Obama for those other fluff pieces from a few months ago in which it was alleged that he doesn't put his hand over his heart during the national anthem, or refuses to recite the pledge of allegiance.

It seems to me that this candidate, above any of the others - has been subjected to a massive smear campaign. That some folks (notably Gary) don't want to recognise that - apparently assuming that the deliberate use of the man's middle name in a clearly established context is entirely innocent is just ridiculous.

Im trying to draw a comparison between the outrage for a person who says a persons middle name versus the happiness one feels when they see Bushs head on a hitler uniform.

Got anyone in mind there?

[AnewKINDofFEELIN 0]

Im trying to draw a comparison between the outrage for a person who says a persons middle name versus the happiness one feels when they see Bushs head on a hitler uniform.

I don't feel happy when I see Bush's head on Hitler uniform.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

I haven't heard any other commentator use Obama's middle name, at least not in this way. However, I am not a big fan of radio talk shows, they pretty much all suck. I also think you are flogging a dead horse on this one, there are some concepts that some people don't get and this appears to be one of them. Where some see attempts at smearing, others see political correctness gone mad. In the final analysis, I don't think something like this is going to have any effect on whether Obama is elected or not. Anyone swayed by this type of rhetoric isn't going to be voting for him no matter what.

The talk radio folks are pretty much the same on that score - though I'm always bemused that they refer to the media in the 3rd person, as though "the media" is some separate thing that they are not a part of.

I listened to part of the Michael Savage show the other day and he was making out that Obama's family background is some sort of perfect breeding ground for turning out Liberals and Commies. Then you have those newspaper articles from the other day - making a huge stink about a throwaway comment made by Obama's wife - as if it reveals some sort of dirty secret about his campaign and politics.

I doubt it will have much of an impact on anything at the end of the day. You'd have to be extraordinarily... well... dumb to buy into a spurious rationale about someone's middle name to make you not vote for a candidate. That said, I do know people who are strongly against Obama for those other fluff pieces from a few months ago in which it was alleged that he doesn't put his hand over his heart during the national anthem, or refuses to recite the pledge of allegiance.

It seems to me that this candidate, above any of the others - has been subjected to a massive smear campaign. That some folks (notably Gary) don't want to recognise that - apparently assuming that the deliberate use of the man's middle name in a clearly established context is entirely innocent is just ridiculous.

Im trying to draw a comparison between the outrage for a person who says a persons middle name versus the happiness one feels when they see Bushs head on a hitler uniform.

Got anyone in mind there?

I think your smart enough to figure than one out. The answering a question with a question is classic.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Im trying to draw a comparison between the outrage for a person who says a persons middle name versus the happiness one feels when they see Bushs head on a hitler uniform.

I don't feel happy when I see Bush's head on Hitler uniform.

Oddly enough - neither do I.

[simple_male 1]

Im trying to draw a comparison between the outrage for a person who says a persons middle name versus the happiness one feels when they see Bushs head on a hitler uniform.

I don't feel happy when I see Bush's head on Hitler uniform.

I don't think anyone who is posting here will be happy to see Bush's head on Hitler uniform.

[AnewKINDofFEELIN 0]

The answering a question with a question is classic.

When have you even asked a question?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The answering a question with a question is classic.

When have you even asked a question?

Presumably it was rhetorical?

Marc's a great believer in his own intuition. He knows us better than we know ourselves.

Apparently.

[GaryC 7]

Stop dodging the question/s.

So. Again. why aren't they calling any of the other candidates by their full names?

Why is it relevant to do this in Obama's case, but not the other candidates?

Why isn't John McCain being referred to as John Sidney McCain?

I am not dodging the question. Refer to him as John Sidney McCain if you like. Use everyones full name. You still can't tell me it's wrong to use the mans real name.

Its not wrong to use it. But you seem to be under the impression that Bill Cunningham is doing so honestly, and that there isn't a smear campaign against Obama painting him as some sort of Muslim agent.

Yes you are dodging the question - So for the 3rd, 4th, 5th, or 100th time - why aren't the commentators giving the other candidates the same treatment?

I don't care if they are. I am objecting to the PC view that we can't use his middle name.

The problem is that Gary doesn't like Obama, so his blind distaste and obvious bias makes him incapable of recognizing the true intent of the use of Obama's middle name. Thank god the whole country isn't so ignorant as to gobble up their propaganda like a box of girl scout cookies.

Uh huh. My bias? What bias? Why is it bias to use the guys name? I was wondering when the racism card would get played. Thank you.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Stop dodging the question/s.

So. Again. why aren't they calling any of the other candidates by their full names?

Why is it relevant to do this in Obama's case, but not the other candidates?

Why isn't John McCain being referred to as John Sidney McCain?

I am not dodging the question. Refer to him as John Sidney McCain if you like. Use everyones full name. You still can't tell me it's wrong to use the mans real name.

Its not wrong to use it. But you seem to be under the impression that Bill Cunningham is doing so honestly, and that there isn't a smear campaign against Obama painting him as some sort of Muslim agent.

Yes you are dodging the question - So for the 3rd, 4th, 5th, or 100th time - why aren't the commentators giving the other candidates the same treatment?

I don't care if they are. I am objecting to the PC view that we can't use his middle name.

You might not care whether they are - but again that's avoiding the question. So yet again I ask - why aren't any other of the candidates full names being spelled out in the popular usage?

Don't answer - this one is rhetorical. Noone is using Diane or Sidney for Clinton and McCain because the names are for lack of a better word irrelevant to their campaigns and their aspirations to presidential office. Hussein should be irrelevant also - except its being spelled out for the sole reason that it ties in with certain internet smears being promoted by certain parts of media.

Its a 1+1=2 scenario. Not hard to follow. The point is obvious - and you keep missing it.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Im trying to draw a comparison between the outrage for a person who says a persons middle name versus the happiness one feels when they see Bushs head on a hitler uniform.

I don't feel happy when I see Bush's head on Hitler uniform.

Im trying to draw a comparison between the outrage for a person who says a persons middle name versus the happiness one feels when they see Bushs head on a hitler uniform.

I don't feel happy when I see Bush's head on Hitler uniform.

Oddly enough - neither do I.

Im trying to draw a comparison between the outrage for a person who says a persons middle name versus the happiness one feels when they see Bushs head on a hitler uniform.

I don't feel happy when I see Bush's head on Hitler uniform.

I don't think anyone who is posting here will be happy to see Bush's head on Hitler uniform.

Can any of you point to any of your past posts where you have shown the same outrage as you are showing here in this thread?

[GaryC 7]

Stop dodging the question/s.

So. Again. why aren't they calling any of the other candidates by their full names?

Why is it relevant to do this in Obama's case, but not the other candidates?

Why isn't John McCain being referred to as John Sidney McCain?

I am not dodging the question. Refer to him as John Sidney McCain if you like. Use everyones full name. You still can't tell me it's wrong to use the mans real name.

Its not wrong to use it. But you seem to be under the impression that Bill Cunningham is doing so honestly, and that there isn't a smear campaign against Obama painting him as some sort of Muslim agent.

Yes you are dodging the question - So for the 3rd, 4th, 5th, or 100th time - why aren't the commentators giving the other candidates the same treatment?

I don't care if they are. I am objecting to the PC view that we can't use his middle name.

You might not care whether they are - but again that's avoiding the question. So yet again I ask - why aren't any other of the candidates full names being spelled out in the popular usage?

Don't answer - this one is rhetorical. Noone is using Diane or Sidney for Clinton and McCain because the names are for lack of a better word irrelevant to their campaigns and their aspirations to presidential office. Hussein should be irrelevant also - except its being spelled out for the sole reason that it ties in with certain internet smears being promoted by certain parts of media.

Its a 1+1=2 scenario. Not hard to follow. The point is obvious - and you keep missing it.

I see your point. I just don't agree with it. I don't care if they use everyones middle name or use no ones middle name. But I don't like the idea that we somehow CAN'T use someones middle name. His name is his name and if someone says it it's just that, his name.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Im trying to draw a comparison between the outrage for a person who says a persons middle name versus the happiness one feels when they see Bushs head on a hitler uniform.

I don't feel happy when I see Bush's head on Hitler uniform.

Im trying to draw a comparison between the outrage for a person who says a persons middle name versus the happiness one feels when they see Bushs head on a hitler uniform.

I don't feel happy when I see Bush's head on Hitler uniform.

Oddly enough - neither do I.

Im trying to draw a comparison between the outrage for a person who says a persons middle name versus the happiness one feels when they see Bushs head on a hitler uniform.

I don't feel happy when I see Bush's head on Hitler uniform.

I don't think anyone who is posting here will be happy to see Bush's head on Hitler uniform.

Can any of you point to any of your past posts where you have shown the same outrage as you are showing here in this thread?

Oddly enough - "outrage" is a bit of a strong word to describe my feelings toward this thread. I'm not "outraged" by this at all. The fact that it has spun out to so many pages is simply because Gary doesn't want to connect obvious dots - or recognise an obvious double-standard.

Personally, I think this whole thing is rather silly.

[Caladan 19]

It's not a PC thing. The guys using his middle name are doing so as a quiet dog-whistle smear. Oh, we just said his middle name! That's not a smear, wink wink nudge nudge. We can stoke racism and prejudice while keeping our hands clean! There's a contingent that believes that Obama is a secret Muslim who is going to overthrow the United States and that he may be the Antichrist. This guy is pandering to them.

Is there anything wrong with his middle name? No. Is there something wrong with repeatedly saying it (when it's not common to refer to McCain as John SIDNEY McCain or... hmm, I can't think of anyone else's middle name off the top of my head. Wonder why?) just so the nutjobs can get their hate on? Yeah.

As much as it would be if you were running for office, Gary, and some racists hated interracial marriage, and your opponents campaign made sure everytime they mentioned you, they made a big deal over your Filipina wife on unrelated issues. Anything wrong with marrying Luz or mentioning it? No. Something fishy with stoking the fires of hatred? Yeah.

McCain honorably called the guy on his bullshit. Good for him. Why would he want to pander to prejudiced morons?