Obama: is America ready for this dangerous leftwinger?

[monagoz 2]

It is very foolhardy to hear ultra right wingers like Gary C resort to their time tested scare tactics on the prospect of Obama becoming POTUSA. considering that we are being chastised by the worst administration in the history of this great country. The effontery and the nerve in even insunating that Obama will destroy this country even though everything you could ever think of has gone absolutely wrong during these seven years plus of this joker as president. The compassionate conservative whose war to validate his self worth has caused us thousands in blood, sweat and tears. Whose economic policy has bastardized the dollar and sent many companies packing. Whose foreign policy has alienated us from even our most trusted allies and made a mockery of our reputation, while Putin slowly but surely rebuilds the iron curtain. Whose...... I don't need to continue because it just becomes very scary. And what does people like Gary C say?

........................... Obama

[Fandango 1,440]

Thought it was pretty funny that the Democratic party is all fired up and behind someone who has NEVER done anything. All he has accomplished is blowing hot air and smoke up people's azzes.

Now dont get me wrong on the Republican side McStain isnt any better.

Sofargone

...as opposed to McBrain who is quite the candidate.

You should read whole posts before replying

[peejay 327]

I hope either Hillary or Obama is the next president. I don't think the US and it's economy can survive under another right wing neanderthal! I too believe the people will lose a lot more freedoms under another right wing nutter and the rich will keep getting richer as will the oil companies.. there profits are not being hurt by the "economy" are they?

I hope people vote smart and vote in Hillary, she didnt do too bad of a job in the 90's did she? No wars, no insane laws, no recession. If President Gore had of taken office like he should of then maybe there might have been a health care system now instead of a over funded badly bloated military?

Only Hillary had nothing to do with the 90's. Bill had a small part to play anyway. But most of it, was the dot com boom or bubble, depending how you look at it.

Unless your crediting Hilary with inventing the internet?

I find it amusing that people get suckered into associating the economy with whoever happens to be in office at the time. Often the chickens come to roost after the clown has left office or the predecessor's policies bear fruit.

These rotten trade deals (and lots of other stuff) that started with Clinton's NAFTA and continuing on through GWB have led us to this point. Insinuating that the PotUSA alone controls the US economy is absurd. Congress deserves some credit/blame too, but they don't control the economy either. There are business cycles and the corporations to consider too.

However, the PotUSA and Congress can steer the economy with legislation and policy. I don't really buy into the notion that Slick Willy is a business guru and GWB is to blame 100% for our present predicament. This has been a long time coming.

I will be glad though when GWB is gone. There is a lot more not to like about GWB other than the economy. And I don't necessarily believe that left wing of the Democratic party (i.e. Obama) is the answer either.

Edited February 24, 2008 by peejay

[peejay 327]

Want to know how pervasive our lack of freedom now is? I had occasion to do a closing for some relatives a couple of months ago. I hadn't done one in years so I knew there would be some things that I had not seen previously but I was unprepared for this: In the flurry of papers that go across the table on closing day, one sheet came across entitled "Patriot Act Disclosure". #######??? I inquired and was told that it is a certification to the DHS that you are not a terrorist. If your clients don't sign, they don't get to close. Unbelievable.

Yes that is unbelievable. Our freedoms are being taken away slowly. In the 7 years that the DHS was a agency this country went south really quick. You cant open a bank account with out signing papers. like you said #######

I'm not really convinced that bureaucratic red tape is proof positive that we are losing our freedom because of GWB. Let's get real here instead of making blanket statements.

#1 - GWB is not a dictator (although the guy has numerous other faults).

#2 - The US Congress passed the USA Patriot Act (which the President signed).

#3 - We have a functioning independent judiciary to check the power of #1 and #2 in dealing with constitutional issues.

#4 - We still have the right to vote (the same as in 2000 when GWB arrived).

I don't feel any less free than the the day I was born. I do pretty much what I want to do...then and now.

And I was born with Eisenhower in office and have watched all of them since then come and go.

[GaryC 7]

It is very foolhardy to hear ultra right wingers like Gary C resort to their time tested scare tactics on the prospect of Obama becoming POTUSA. considering that we are being chastised by the worst administration in the history of this great country. The effontery and the nerve in even insunating that Obama will destroy this country even though everything you could ever think of has gone absolutely wrong during these seven years plus of this joker as president. The compassionate conservative whose war to validate his self worth has caused us thousands in blood, sweat and tears. Whose economic policy has bastardized the dollar and sent many companies packing. Whose foreign policy has alienated us from even our most trusted allies and made a mockery of our reputation, while Putin slowly but surely rebuilds the iron curtain. Whose...... I don't need to continue because it just becomes very scary. And what does people like Gary C say?

........................... Obama

Sorry, Gerard Baker said these things. I just posted the story. But thank you very much for the kind comments about me.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

It is very foolhardy to hear ultra right wingers like Gary C resort to their time tested scare tactics on the prospect of Obama becoming POTUSA. considering that we are being chastised by the worst administration in the history of this great country. The effontery and the nerve in even insunating that Obama will destroy this country even though everything you could ever think of has gone absolutely wrong during these seven years plus of this joker as president. The compassionate conservative whose war to validate his self worth has caused us thousands in blood, sweat and tears. Whose economic policy has bastardized the dollar and sent many companies packing. Whose foreign policy has alienated us from even our most trusted allies and made a mockery of our reputation, while Putin slowly but surely rebuilds the iron curtain. Whose...... I don't need to continue because it just becomes very scary. And what does people like Gary C say?

........................... Obama

Sorry, Gerard Baker said these things. I just posted the story. But thank you very much for the kind comments about me.

Ultra right winger ? How far left is that opinion comming from?

[Ken y Leidys 20]

If Obama is truly a "Dangerous Leftwinger", exactly what makes him dangerous? I read in the LA Times that he said at a rally that "...I am from Illinois...I'm not going to take away folks guns."

[clarabel 0]

Obama is a good choice for the U.S. A clean break from the Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush monarchy is what what the U.S. needs more then ever. Nader in '00 would have been revolutionary for us but alas the neo-cons won. Obama is packing 'em in where ever he goes, a sure sign of how unrestful the U.S. is politically. I went to an Obama rally a few weekends ago and it was like a giant party, very participatory audience. Go Obama!!!

[cmartyn 0]

On Guns, the right would like to see all local gun legislation abolished. They don't like background checks, they don’t like age restrictions, they don't like any gun laws at all unless of course they are in their favor such as protection from liability, protection from environmental laws, exemptions from noise laws etc. So, while he may not take away the guns he is not likely to further protect them and will likely introduce something like an assault weapons ban or try to close the gun show loophole.

This is why the gun nuts want a shooter in office and I don't quite see Obama in fatigues shooting birds as part of his regular relaxation strategy. His gun policy at this point is non descript but the gun lobby is afraid. They know what can happen. They might not be able to buy 40 guns on Friday night, set up a table on Saturday and walk away with five grand for the effort. They are quite happy with the tradeoff as it is. They sell forty hand guns and a few dozen more people die on the streets of New York. The gun nuts hate New Yorkers anyways.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

For most ordinary Americans, those not encumbered with an expensive education or infected by prolonged exposure to cosmopolitan heterodoxy, patriotism is a consequence of birth.

Oh noes! Watch out for educated people! They might critically think you to death!

Alexandra.... shhhh shhhhh.... don't uncover academics secret plots to take over the government.....

I say Noam Chomsky for Prez.- After a nice makeover to get rid of his hideous but famous black sneakers

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

More fluff. Is Obama's rhetoric somehow less substantive than the other candidates? Aren't they all talking in soundbite generalities?

Somehow Obama's wife's off-the-cuff comment has become some sort traitorous statement of intent for his entire campaign.

I even listened to an edition of the Michael Savage show the other night where he made the spurious case that Obama's family upbringing makes him some sort of hippie/communist. Even one of his christian conservative callers (who claimed to be black) said that this was b/s.

Is Obama really that "far left" anyway? What does that even mean these days? All you have to do is have the wrong opinion on a single issue and it apparently makes you "far left".

[one...two...tree 2,762]

More fluff. Is Obama's rhetoric somehow less substantive than the other candidates? Aren't they all talking in soundbite generalities?

Somehow Obama's wife's off-the-cuff comment has become some sort traitorous statement of intent for his entire campaign.

I even listened to an edition of the Michael Savage show the other night where he made the spurious case that Obama's family upbringing makes him some sort of hippie/communist. Even one of his christian conservative callers (who claimed to be black) said that this was b/s.

Is Obama really that "far left" anyway? What does that even mean these days? All you have to do is have the wrong opinion on a single issue and it apparently makes you "far left".

It's the typical rhetoric by the right wing nuts, most of who don't know what is conservative if it dropped in their lap. Most Americans don't buy into the ideological dichotomy where everyone falls into one category or another. Even Dubbya is no dye-in-the-wool, Conservative. Americans will look at each issue, not as some ideological challenge that they will embrace or reject it based where it falls on ideological line, but whether it has merit and whether it will help America in general.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

More fluff. Is Obama's rhetoric somehow less substantive than the other candidates? Aren't they all talking in soundbite generalities?

Somehow Obama's wife's off-the-cuff comment has become some sort traitorous statement of intent for his entire campaign.

I even listened to an edition of the Michael Savage show the other night where he made the spurious case that Obama's family upbringing makes him some sort of hippie/communist. Even one of his christian conservative callers (who claimed to be black) said that this was b/s.

Is Obama really that "far left" anyway? What does that even mean these days? All you have to do is have the wrong opinion on a single issue and it apparently makes you "far left".

It's the typical rhetoric by the right wing nuts, most of who don't know what is conservative if it dropped in their lap. Most Americans don't buy into the ideological dichotomy where everyone falls into one category or another. Even Dubbya is no dye-in-the-wool, Conservative. Americans will look at each issue, not as some ideological challenge that they will embrace or reject it based where it falls on ideological line, but whether it has merit and whether it will help America in general.

I think we have to be careful throwing around those kind of generalisations, as they're not too much different from those in the article. Oddly enough for an article criticising a candidate for a lack of substance - the article itself appears to have a lack of subtance - relying on that innuendo stuff about Obama's wife not being "proud of this country". The only thing I do agree with is that Obama's campaign is riding on this euphoric promise of change - but that change may not be what people are really looking for. Is his agenda really that revolutionary?

It is rather bizarre to me that half the population of this country seems incapable of understanding or relating to the other half, so you end up with this "right wing / left wing" hooey. I suspect it has little to do with how people think as individuals. There are of course people who exclusively deal in soundbites on certain (though not every) issues. They are ignorant, at the end of the day.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I think we have to be careful throwing around those kind of generalisations, as they're not too much different from those in the article. Oddly enough for an article criticising a candidate for a lack of substance - the article itself appears to have a lack of subtance - relying on that innuendo stuff about Obama's wife not being "proud of this country". The only thing I do agree with is that Obama's campaign is riding on this euphoric promise of change - but that change may not be what people are really looking for. Is his agenda really that revolutionary?

It is rather bizarre to me that half the population of this country seems incapable of understanding or relating to the other half, so you end up with this "right wing / left wing" hooey. I suspect it has little to do with how people think as individuals. There are of course people who exclusively deal in soundbites on certain (though not every) issues. They are ignorant, at the end of the day.

For some, it is advantageous of them to polarize issues into left and right and then imply that one ideology is inferior to the other. The Republican Party strategists succeeded in doing just that during the 2004 election hot button issues. And not to let the Democratic Party off...they too have tried to do that as well, although not nearly as successful. But there are things that happen to this country that really effect the political landscape - our economy, for example, and particularly the home lending industry. People aren't thinking so much along ideological lines when they see house after house foreclose and their local economies tanking.

Right wing nut is a generalization, but it makes the point of saying that anyone who buys into the same empty rhetoric they keep trying to sell everyone else meanwhile reality shows them something completely different, they are being nutty. There are nutjobs on both ends of the political spectrum - they are the ones who insist until they are blue in the face that their ideology is superior. Americans will judge ideas on their own merit and not dismiss it simply because someone else labels it a left or right position.

[kaydee457 13]

For most ordinary Americans, those not encumbered with an expensive education or infected by prolonged exposure to cosmopolitan heterodoxy, patriotism is a consequence of birth.

Ah, you gotta love those liberals! This is precisely what I've been saying in these forums time and again; a liberal looking down his/her long snoot and berating everyone else in order to elevate their own delusional stature and self importance.

The same arrogant and delusional thought process that motivates fat murderous drunkards like Ted Kennedy to "fight for those that can't fight for themselves", you know the poor and uneducated unfortunates not lucky enough to have been endowed with the same lofty faculties that Ted and Barack have........unfortunately the "unfortunates" are most of us!

Jeeze, liberals are just so damn full of themselves, aren't they????