UAE Nationals ~ HELP!!!

[desert_fox 32]

get married in some other country..apply for a K3 visa...the interview wil be held in the country where you married......problem solved.

good-bye to narrow religious views, narrow parent views, and she can be an adult and make her own decisions....good luck.

Thank you....that looks like we are going to have to do that.....but there arent a whole lot of countries that it will work for and now am not even sure she can get out of the country to do that. A lawyer suggested that....but when i showed some interest in it.....he started to talk bout residency and one even started talking bout citizenship of that country....not to mention k3 involves more paperwork.

but yes....if i can get her out of UAE, I will try that......she wants to go to Lebanon.....anyone want to give me some advice on that country ?

no residency nor citizenship required....the paperwork is one additional form.

[denny01 0]

Why don't you talk to her some more? I know she thinks its a hopeless case, most of us arab girls always think our parents won't accept anything but sometimes they will. But whatever you do, please don't try getting her out of there illegally, you will put her life and your life in great danger.

When I discuss this.....she gets very sad and will just log off.....she says she will get slapped for even considering the subject !

Without her ....my life is pretty much over anyway...she pretty much feels the same way.........so what do we have to lose ? Hmm........didn't Romeo and Juliet figure out a way to be together against parents wishes ?

Edited February 24, 2008 by denny01

[♥JP♥ 5]

When I discuss this.....she gets very sad and will just log off.....she says she will get slapped for even considering the subject !

Without her ....my life is pretty much over anyway...she pretty much feels the same way.........so what do we have to lose ? Hmm........didn't Romeo and Juliet figure out a way to be together against parents wishes ?

Well it seems like you think this isn't going to work from any angle and neither does she. Maybe you have nothing to lose but I think from what you are saying she is going to lose ALOT. If the situation is how you describe it, please think things through for her benefit.

Out of curiousity, do you send her money or help her?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

My apologies, denny. Telling you about this was not the easiest thing for me to do, and nothing you wanted to hear in the first place, I'm sure, but it had to be done. You two have already crossed some risky territory, and you've had luck on your side - so far. Muslim women, no matter where they live, know of the prejudice against non-Muslim men. In the Muslim world, they are not free to involve themselves in interfaith relationships without consequences, so I will never understand why there are those who get deeply involved before being totally honest with themselves and the guy about what the obstacles are. Unfortunately, you are not the first man I have had to consul regarding this. I told you before, if she continues with you, the blowback on her can be extreme, and have legal ramifications. Best, in the long run, to let her go. Romeo and Juliet did not end happily.

[sarahaziz 0]

If you love her, brother, don't let her go keep everything on the downlow. Love comes but once in this life and you will never forget it. Before you take my advice make sure she's ok having absolutely nothing to do with her parents if they dismiss her from the family. Make sure shes ready to give everything up for you like when you both have kids they wont have grandparents from her side of the family. If you talk to other women and she doesn't like it she has no where to go. You gotta alot of things to think through . UAE is free with their own citizens but with foreigners no wayyyy .God bless.

[sarahaziz 0]

Im 20 and married (arab) , I still can't get permission to leave my house without consulting my dad and husband in another country! I'm in USA!!! Free Country. I've always been "scared" and kept my parents respect.

[denny01 0]

If you love her, brother, don't let her go keep everything on the downlow. Love comes but once in this life and you will never forget it. Before you take my advice make sure she's ok having absolutely nothing to do with her parents if they dismiss her from the family. Make sure shes ready to give everything up for you like when you both have kids they wont have grandparents from her side of the family. If you talk to other women and she doesn't like it she has no where to go. You gotta alot of things to think through . UAE is free with their own citizens but with foreigners no wayyyy .God bless.

we have been chattin for 2 years now......we are past the homesickness and worrying bout what she is leaving behind.....she is ready to leave it all behind.....but she is afraid she cant get out of the country. That is my last obstacle......just let me get her away from her infernal parents and we will be fine.....I truly believe parents should be respected......and I would love to ask for their permission......but they treat her like ####### .....so I have no problem taking her away from that. If they cant see what they have in their daughter, then they need to just let her go...why cant they do that ? They consider her a piece of property.....then let me buy her !!!!

[denny01 0]

Best, in the long run, to let her go. Romeo and Juliet did not end happily.

Ah well....then this isnt gonna end happily either....because as long as she is willing..... I am going to keep trying to find a way to do this. She feels even more strongly bout this than i do......she is willing to die to make this happen.....she just isnt lookin forward to the beatings.

The wonderful embasssy there in response to my question of whether or not UAE nationals can get a k1 visa without parental permission....said this :

"Abu Dhabi, IV" <AbuDhabiIV@state.gov> wrote:

Sir

According to our visa processing system, it is not legal for us to promise anything in advance regarding the visa issuance/refusal.

Only at the time of final interview, the consular officer will make a decision.

Thanks for your inquiry

ha.........thanks immigration for your kind consideration in this matter ! They cant say.....well....no UAE nationals can get k1 visa without or parental permission...??? .or....some can...????.or.....yes depending on the case......or...something like......" every case is different, but lack of parental permission is not grounds for denial".....as my fiancee is fond of saying in moments of disgust and frustration ...... uff !

[denny01 0]

Well it seems like you think this isn't going to work from any angle and neither does she. Maybe you have nothing to lose but I think from what you are saying she is going to lose ALOT. If the situation is how you describe it, please think things through for her benefit.

Out of curiousity, do you send her money or help her?

Last time i was there i gave her 500 dirhams (139 USD) and 200 USD for medical exam and interview and money for cell phone credits....and have sent her 40 USD thru the mail. But she does not like me giving her money. But yes ....I plan on helping her anyway I can......if we can move forward with this I plan on getting a private driver and taking her to the interview. We had it all worked out till her friend said we could have problems at the airport on the way out. The money I have given her pales in comparison to the money I have spent on 2 round trip plane tickets, hotel costs and private driver to pick her up when we meet. All told......close to 6000 USD.......life is good !

[doodlebugg 10]

she is willing to die to make this happen.....she just isnt lookin forward to the beatings.

It bothers me that you're willing to accept that this will happen to her. If you truly love her I really think you should let it go for her own safety.

[sereia 0]

I'm with Bridget and Virtual Wife... let her go. Its likely only going to end up in complete disaster. I know it seems like you can't live without each other but time does heal wounds. Good luck to whatever you both decide!

[ya falaha! 0]

How is it possible to be "beyond homesickness" when she hasn't yet left her country? My husband, a grown *man*, has moments of homesickness and he's been here nearly a year.

Realistically speaking...what happens if this marriage doesn't work out? She'll be in a strange country alone. She will not be able to fall back on her family and return to her country. I know you have strong feelings for her but like others have said, if you truly love her, let her go. From the sounds of it she's very young and naive. She has no idea what she's really getting herself into and quite frankly, neither do you.

If you love her, brother, don't let her go keep everything on the downlow. Love comes but once in this life and you will never forget it. Before you take my advice make sure she's ok having absolutely nothing to do with her parents if they dismiss her from the family. Make sure shes ready to give everything up for you like when you both have kids they wont have grandparents from her side of the family. If you talk to other women and she doesn't like it she has no where to go. You gotta alot of things to think through . UAE is free with their own citizens but with foreigners no wayyyy .God bless.

we have been chattin for 2 years now......we are past the homesickness and worrying bout what she is leaving behind.....she is ready to leave it all behind.....but she is afraid she cant get out of the country. That is my last obstacle......just let me get her away from her infernal parents and we will be fine.....I truly believe parents should be respected......and I would love to ask for their permission......but they treat her like ####### .....so I have no problem taking her away from that. If they cant see what they have in their daughter, then they need to just let her go...why cant they do that ? They consider her a piece of property.....then let me buy her !!!!

[caybee 21]

How is it possible to be "beyond homesickness" when she hasn't yet left her country? My husband, a grown *man*, has moments of homesickness and he's been here nearly a year.

Realistically speaking...what happens if this marriage doesn't work out? She'll be in a strange country alone. She will not be able to fall back on her family and return to her country. I know you have strong feelings for her but like others have said, if you truly love her, let her go. From the sounds of it she's very young and naive. She has no idea what she's really getting herself into and quite frankly, neither do you.

Add to this that she is 21 years old and has, presumably, led a very sheltered life so far. She seems prepared to close a lot of doors. As you said, she is even prepared to risk her life. Actually, she may have already done so, secretly meeting an American Christian man 27 years her senior on multiple occasions without being married to him. If someone who knows her happened to see her at the embassy or consulate, what explanation would she give? DOS makes home visits on occasion. How would things play out if someone visited her home and asked her parents how they felt about her impending marriage? If she did receive a visa, she might have to wait through weeks or months of security checks first, and then receive a phone call. Would her situation allow her to receive that phone call out of the blue? Is she the only one who answers her phone?

The idea is appealing. You spirit her off to the interview. She comes out, visa in hand, and you head for the airport. But immigration is too unpredictable for that in most cases, even without the added difficulties you face. I do believe you love her and you are prepared to move heaven and earth to be together. You have said she is ready to die for you. Are you really ready to accept that kind of sacrifice?

[denny01 0]

How is it possible to be "beyond homesickness" when she hasn't yet left her country? My husband, a grown *man*, has moments of homesickness and he's been here nearly a year.

Realistically speaking...what happens if this marriage doesn't work out? She'll be in a strange country alone. She will not be able to fall back on her family and return to her country. I know you have strong feelings for her but like others have said, if you truly love her, let her go. From the sounds of it she's very young and naive. She has no idea what she's really getting herself into and quite frankly, neither do you.

Add to this that she is 21 years old and has, presumably, led a very sheltered life so far. She seems prepared to close a lot of doors. As you said, she is even prepared to risk her life. Actually, she may have already done so, secretly meeting an American Christian man 27 years her senior on multiple occasions without being married to him. If someone who knows her happened to see her at the embassy or consulate, what explanation would she give? DOS makes home visits on occasion. How would things play out if someone visited her home and asked her parents how they felt about her impending marriage? If she did receive a visa, she might have to wait through weeks or months of security checks first, and then receive a phone call. Would her situation allow her to receive that phone call out of the blue? Is she the only one who answers her phone?

The idea is appealing. You spirit her off to the interview. She comes out, visa in hand, and you head for the airport. But immigration is too unpredictable for that in most cases, even without the added difficulties you face. I do believe you love her and you are prepared to move heaven and earth to be together. You have said she is ready to die for you. Are you really ready to accept that kind of sacrifice?

All i meant bout the homesickness was the fact that she hesitated for months when I said i wanted to make this a long term relationship. Yes....she was very concerned bout coming to another country without friends or family......but the more we talked .....and the more she thought bout it....the more she realized she doesnt have that much where she is at. In fact...stating at one point that she has nothing there. Does it concern me. ? -- YES !.....I have struggled with it for many months....but silly me just cant let her go. I have talked to many lawyers on what our prospects are in UAE......I have sent mail to the consulate in Abu Dhabi.....I have called the UAE embassy in Washington DC.......YES !....there are concerns......BUT I AM DOING MY HOMEWORK !!!! For starters....i dont think home visits happen in UAE.......if it happens to us....we are done..she has a cell phone....they can reach her there if they need to....i find it hard to believe they would contact her....because she has tried on several occasions to contact THEM......to no avail......as far as waiting for visa after interview...if it takes more than a few days......we are done.....unless i can get her to another country...have been told by many that UAE issues within 2 days........There is no gurantee on any relationship .....just because i marry someone from my own race near my own age doesnt guarantee it will work.......is there better chances..?...yes...i understand there is...but still no guarantee....Her and I have discussed it several times. She is 21 and far more mature than women twice her age...........and I feel that she would be twice as loyal........and if I only have a few years with her ......it will be the most wonderful few years of my life............ I think our only problem is we tend to listen too much to the naysayers .....we need to follow our hearts.......and i think we will do just that......and with that ....I thank you all for your input and concerns......but unless you know of or are a female UAE national........dont want to hear bout it .....I told her just last night i wanted to link this forum to her.....but I told her there are alot of naysayers in here and parts of it are just negative.......

I cant believe ya dont think she is just after money or a green card....and how do i know ?? .....cause.....if that is what she wanted .......she would have been gone along time ago....cause i would have given her thousands.....so enough with the negativity!!!!!!

WE DONT NEED THAT.......what we need is a plan.....TO GET HER OUT ! and that is what i plan to do .....and i will keep trying to do that till she says no...till she can honestly tell me this is not what she wants . Is it risky for me ? ya...maybe it is....but she is leaving her country to be with me.....so for that....i will take on a little risk myself when she gets here.......and thank God above for the gift He has given me......and thank the local government here for allowing me a concealed carry license.

[Caladan 19]

Have you two met in person yet?