How to Shake Your NOA2 Loose from the CSC

[TBoneTX 45,287]

This is where I started this afternoon just simply posting my experience. Then I let myself get sucked into the flame party. Well it made a boring friday afternoon at work a little more interesting

Have a great weekend Everyone !! Even you Rebecca

Thank you for having posted your experience, Hoosier, and great weekend to you, too (one hour shorter, with the coming time-change), si man!

[LaL 418]

Yeah the flaming is not really in good spirit of what these boards are all about. I'll refrain from anymore myself.

As far as this thread being closed I get the impression that RJ was and is trying to fan the flames in this post to get the mods to close it. I've seen this tactic used before on other forums. She don't agree with the advice and the easiest way to get her way is to have this post removed because of all the flaming.

There were a couple such, referred to in a post several pages back...

It would be nice indeed if people would return to posting their experiences, like Diana says -- both positive and otherwise. If it results that certain of RJ's suppositions are correct, then the method will die a natural death, thus achieving what appears to be her goal. An honest account of people's experiences is what this thread was intended for.

Rebeccajo's goal is not as you seem to be understanding. Her concern is coming from a broader perspective that it has been stated that these lines are not to be abused by people attempting to get information by going through a channel not intended for such. I do think the issue some have here with your supposed method is that you are outright encouraging people to call without care as to the result of the encouragement. I do think its reckless as is your promotion of this "shaking your petition loose".

[sara..... 371]

TBone.........my grandmother used to tell me u can make some of the people happy some of the time but not all the people all of the time...yup old school......and kind of corny but it seems its always the truth........

by the way by the way that our application is being dragged out if u said sara ....... i heard that u could get some kind of answer standing in the freeway i would probably try it ... :whistle:

Just joken i wouldnt but some of us as in ME feel that the information that u have shared with us gives us a choice........i like choices.......will i call again u bet.........cant say they were as nice the 2nd time as they were the first......but until someone has a better solution than just waiting.....its all we have to work with........we filed in aug.......we are still sitting here........and thanks God for this place to come to MOST of the time have people to talk to that are going thru the same thing we are......to help get us thru the ruff times and to celebrate the good times with........anyways im starting to sound like im standing on a soap box so i will end it here but a big THANK YOU from me to You is pretty much what I wanted to say

sara

[TBoneTX 45,287]

Thank you for your opinion and your expressed views, Laura.

[...] im starting to sound like im standing on a soap box so i will end it here but a big THANK YOU from me to You is pretty much what I wanted to say

sara

Thank you for your opinion and your expressed views, Sara.

[rebeccajo 14]

Edited March 8, 2008 by rebeccajo

[Cassie 8]

Yeah the flaming is not really in good spirit of what these boards are all about. I'll refrain from anymore myself.

As far as this thread being closed I get the impression that RJ was and is trying to fan the flames in this post to get the mods to close it. I've seen this tactic used before on other forums. She don't agree with the advice and the easiest way to get her way is to have this post removed because of all the flaming.

There were a couple such, referred to in a post several pages back...

It would be nice indeed if people would return to posting their experiences, like Diana says -- both positive and otherwise. If it results that certain of RJ's suppositions are correct, then the method will die a natural death, thus achieving what appears to be her goal. An honest account of people's experiences is what this thread was intended for.

Rebeccajo's goal is not as you seem to be understanding. Her concern is coming from a broader perspective that it has been stated that these lines are not to be abused by people attempting to get information by going through a channel not intended for such. I do think the issue some have here with your supposed method is that you are outright encouraging people to call without care as to the result of the encouragement. I do think its reckless as is your promotion of this "shaking your petition loose".

AMEN. I have yet to see any real proof that this method does anything other than telling people what they already know -- their petition isn't on someone's desk yet. And count me among those who are taking issue with using the RFE line for something other than what is intended.

[psiprez 3]

Oh my... I just read this whole thread.

If only I were a mod on THIS forum. I'm just itching to say *LOCKED*.

[TBoneTX 45,287]

I have yet to see any real proof that this method does anything other than telling people what they already know -- their petition isn't on someone's desk yet. And count me among those who are taking issue with using the RFE line for something other than what is intended.

My case is proof. A USCIS agent suggested using the line in order to avoid the stone wall of the front-line screeners.

Say, where did you get your "another infamous TSC/VSC loser" bumper-sticker at the bottom of your post, Cheryl? A lot of people might want one, especially if the Center can be converted to "CSC." Finally, congratulations on what appears at first glance to be a smooth personal timeline from the beginning of your Journey through the present.

[Cassie 8]

I have yet to see any real proof that this method does anything other than telling people what they already know -- their petition isn't on someone's desk yet. And count me among those who are taking issue with using the RFE line for something other than what is intended.

My case is proof. A USCIS agent suggested using the line in order to avoid the stone wall of the front-line screeners.

Say, where did you get your "another infamous TSC/VSC loser" bumper-sticker at the bottom of your post, Cheryl? A lot of people might want one, especially if the Center can be converted to "CSC." Finally, congratulations on what appears at first glance to be a smooth personal timeline from the beginning of your Journey through the present.

One case does not a convincing argument make. Please tell me who else tried this particular method and had the success you advertise -- ie. "shaking your NOA2 loose"

The TSC Loser tag comes from a ragtag group of people looking to get their 10 year green card from someone, anyone. We languished at TSC as we watched many people who filed after us get transferred to CSC and get approved quickly. We now sit at VSC hoping that we will be approved sometime soon. The irony is not lost on me that until Jan 31, 2008, we wished we had been transferred to CSC.

And yes, my timeline up to this point has been very smooth, Jerry and I recognize that we have been very fortunate. I am not sure what that has to do with this discussion.

Edited March 8, 2008 by Cassie

[TBoneTX 45,287]

One case does not a convincing argument make. Please tell me who else tried this particular method and had the success you advertise -- ie. "shaking your NOA2 loose"

I may have the alias slightly wrong, but try john_and_maria -- John would probably be happy to discuss his experience and impressions with you.

The TSC Loser tag comes from a ragtag group of people looking to get their 10 year green card from someone, anyone. We languished at TSC as we watched many people who filed after us get transferred to CSC and get approved quickly. We now sit at VSC hoping that we will be approved sometime soon. The irony is not lost on me that until Jan 31, 2008, we wished we had been transferred to CSC.

That's very interesting and indeed ironic. My K-1 began life at TSC and lost a week-plus there when I could have sent it straight to California.

And yes, my timeline up to this point has been very smooth, Jerry and I recognize that we have been very fortunate. I am not sure what that has to do with this discussion.

It was admiration of and compliments on the majority of what your timeline reflects. Please accept my hopes that the VSC will rise from its torpor and issue your green card very soon.

[rebeccajo 14]

And yes, my timeline up to this point has been very smooth, Jerry and I recognize that we have been very fortunate. I am not sure what that has to do with this discussion.

It was admiration of and compliments on the majority of what your timeline reflects. Please accept my hopes that the VSC will rise from its torpor and issue your green card very soon.

*cough cough - bull$hit*

Cassie -

TBone is just one of many 'timeline watchers' who immediately disregards anybody whose approval came quicker than theirs.

I mean haven't you heard? We're reunited with our husbands - we can't possible know the pain and suffering they are enduring.

[bakofoil 27]

I don't think having an opinion on this process depends on whether you received your NOA2 in less than a month or over six months. We all know the system has issues which really need addressing but inundating the RFE line with calls is not the way to go about making the system fairer for all.

I've said this before and I'll say it again. Using the RFE line as a free for all means of getting information on your pending petition will ensure nothing except that the privilege will be removed for all.

The USCIS may resort to using a coded system of email for those who receive RFE's and remove the phone line altogether. This is what you are risking if you call simply on the basis that you are witnessing others being approved faster.

USCIS publish timeframes for approvals. I personally did not use the RFE line until my petition was within 2 weeks of the published timeframe AND when I noticed a glut of approvals in the month following the submission of my petition. I felt guilty for using it even then. In retrospect, the RFE line didn't help me at all, it didn't push my case faster towards approval. I am not suggesting it doesn't help in all cases but for the majority it is of no use. Your petition will be approved when they get around to it.

Here is the main reason why I would warn anyone against using the line gratuitously: USCIS allocate a number of staff to man phone calls based on a projected demand. The demand will be based on the percentage of RFE's they expect to send out for a given number of applications. If the call centre gets inundated with phone calls from people without RFE's then USCIS will either have to pay more people to man the call centres (the fee increase would be better spent on reducing time spent approving petitions), reroute calls to an operator who hasn't the authority to tell you anything useful, make the system automated so that an input of a case number without RFE will be rejected, or shut down the facility altogether and make it paper-based. How then, will the people who have waited not 3 months, or even 4 months but people who are outside processing times ever get information on their case???

When you file the I-129F, you are informed you should expect 5-6 months processing. If you get an approval in less time then just think yourself bloody lucky. There are many people stuck in name check or AP who will have no means of contacting USCIS, other than having a friendly representative, if you're not careful about how you use this facility.

I am not saying that no one should use it - in fact, if you are close to USCIS processing times or beyond them then you should try and shake that NOA2 free and using TB's suggestions would be of more use than simply asking about the status of your case. Less than 5 months (unless USCIS miraculously post less than 5 months as a timeframe) and you're abusing it in my view.

Edited March 8, 2008 by babblesgirl

[TBoneTX 45,287]

[...] I am not saying that no one should use it - in fact, if you are close to USCIS processing times or beyond them then you should try and shake that NOA2 free and using TB's suggestions would be of more use than simply asking about the status of your case. Less than 5 months (unless USCIS miraculously post less than 5 months as a timeframe) and you're abusing it in my view.

Si, man! See the last sentence of the very first post of this thread.

[TBoneTX 45,287]

Si, man! See the last sentence of the very first post of this thread.

Clarification: See the last sentence of the FIRST PARAGRAPH of the very first post of this thread.

[bakofoil 27]

Right! But somewhere in the last 30 pages people have got confused. We have a three monther asking if it's appropriate to use this. That's where it gets messy. No one reads the first post 30 pages in.

It's got to be put in context. I don't think RJ is saying that noone ever without an RFE should use the RFE line. She's saying that there is a possibility of abuse and that as a consequence the line could be shut down.

30 pages on, YOUR advice is being taken out of context and RJ's comments are too. Let's be fair about this.