How to Shake Your NOA2 Loose from the CSC

[rebeccajo 14]

I think all this discussion is rather pointless, if USCIS sees this "method" as a problem, they will tweak the system so that case numbers without an rfe in the database get bounces to the national hotline. Until then there is no point in this argument.

Do you wanna see that happen?

See first three sentences of my reply within post #378.

USCIS has not stated they will ramp up the system if people use it for anything other than it's intended purpose. They have implied they would do the exact opposite.

You can't convince me with your self-justifications.

The purpose of the line RIGHT NOW is for those who have an RFE and really need to speak to an immigration officer.

I think all this discussion is rather pointless, if USCIS sees this "method" as a problem, they will tweak the system so that case numbers without an rfe in the database get bounces to the national hotline. Until then there is no point in this argument.

Do you wanna see that happen?

Personally, I'm not going to use the RFE line unless i get an RFE so i could care less.

You'll use it if it's there.

Personally, I'm not going to use the RFE line unless i get an RFE so i could care less.

Let's hear it for freedom of choice! Now, where's that bunny with the pancake on his head?

TBone, can you read? He said he's not going to use the line unless he gets an RFE. What's that got to do with 'freedom of choice'?

Edited March 7, 2008 by rebeccajo

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

I'm not trying to cause offense, please do not tell me what I will or will not do.

This week I have been very tempted to call to see if my sept. date has been honored. I have also been tempted to use the division XII contact but have refrained.

Instead I've let my representative place an inquiry through the appropriate channels.

[rebeccajo 14]

I'm not trying to cause offense, please do not tell me what I will or will not do.

This week I have been very tempted to call to see if my sept. date has been honored. I have also been tempted to use the division XII contact but have refrained.

Instead I've let my representative place an inquiry through the appropriate channels.

I'm sorry if I made you uncomfortable. I guess I was using you as a 'guinea pig' for setting up a scenario.

I was hoping to get the readers to actually 'feel' what it might be like to need help but not be able to get it because one of the few 'peep holes' we have into this system got closed down.

So forgive me for picking on you. It wasn't personal.

[BigCityDave 0]

Whatever makes you all feel better I guess. Even if it ends up being at the expense of others.

MycaseMycaseMycaseMycaseMycase........................

rebeccajo, You have a very good point here and that is something I have not thought of. In all this whole system is kind of unfair especially when we look at the disparity between the CSC and the VSC.

[rebeccajo 14]

Whatever makes you all feel better I guess. Even if it ends up being at the expense of others.

MycaseMycaseMycaseMycaseMycase........................

rebeccajo, You have a very good point here and that is something I have not thought of. In all this whole system is kind of unfair especially when we look at the disparity between the CSC and the VSC.

There's always been a disparity there for K1's. No it isn't fair.

But the last time I looked, it wasn't fair that my son has to be 200 miles away from me to get a decent college education. Or that gasoline is now $3.39. Or that Social Security might be dried up by the time I retire.

Life is full of unfair. Big people deal with it and move on. And they don't try to change the system by playing dirty.

[Brian & Kathy 0]

As someone else said earlier, you are actually talking to those who approve cases.

I chose to respect other filers by not bothering USCIS during the process. I hope others on visa journey will clearly see the implicatons of calling the RFE line and wait patiently as well.

[...] Besides everytime you are talking to an officer, you are taking time in which they could be approving a case.

Good reasoning, with the exception of the above. Neither the front-line screeners nor the Immigration Officers are doing the adjudicating work -- the people on the floor are.

Your case won't get lost or pushed behind a desk. You will still be processed in the general order your case was received.

In most cases, this may well be true, but in other cases, it's certainly the converse.

[...] my petition is still pending. I can clearly see that by the website and know I have a while longer to wait when they are still approving petitions sent 1 month earlier.

And we can all respect your choice!

[BigCityDave 0]

I would not feel good about myself playing dirty especially with in a case where others who are just like me can be affected unfairly.

[hoosier 0]

I have avoided posting in this thread and I highly doubt I will again, but I am in agreement with Rebecca.

It is selfish to call the RFE line if your case is still being processed in a timely manner. Yes, we all want nothing more than to be with our loved ones again, but not a one of you is more important than another. Is it really more important that you can find out if your petition is on a desk vs someone being able to find out exactly which document they need to send so their case isn't DENIED? Besides everytime you are talking to an officer, you are taking time in which they could be approving a case. That slows it down for EVERYONE that has a case at CSC, not just K1. What's more, it is a major interuption to get a phone call in the middle of your work. The officer is much more likely to make a mistake then. How would you like an RFE for no good reason other than that the officer was distracted by a phone call and didn't see a document you already sent? That adds on an easy 2-4 weeks to any petition.

Leave them alone to do their work. You'll make it faster for everyone. If they need you, they know how to contact you. Your case won't get lost or pushed behind a desk. You will still be processed in the general order your case was received.

If you want to know what's going on, watch the most recent approvals here on VJ and check your online account at USCIS. I didn't even call the mis-information line during processing because it is a waste of their resources to tell me my petition is still pending. I can clearly see that by the website and know I have a while longer to wait when they are still approving petitions sent 1 month earlier.

Brian and Kathey, Your post of your opinion is nicely put and presents your argument well without attacking or insulting anyone. Although our opinions may differ a bit, one of the purposes of discussion forums such as these is for intelligent discourse.

"your case won't get lost or pushed behind a desk" Actually there are many stories on here of folks who have had their petitions lost or misplaced and have even had to go as far as resubmitting their application and going to the back of the line.

I've paid my fees, followed the procedures, I believe it is my right to know where exactly my file and case are in the system. Their generic basic information that is posted on the website is lacking. There is definately a need for more transparency of where your application is in the process. I am a person who believes in being proactive in all my business dealings. this has served me well in life and I am convinced it has saved me much money, time, grief and aggravation in life. So I feel it is my obligation to my family to do everything in my power to use all the tools available to me.

My problem with Rebeccajo was her tone in ascerting her position. She was frankly rude, judgemental and insulting to me personally, without me even addressing her in my initial post. Rebecca you don't know me or my family or what our situation may be, my responsibily is to my family and no one else.

This reminds me of a saying my father always told me. There are basically 3 types of people in this world. 1) Those who wait for things to happen. 2) Those who make things happen. 3) those who say "What happened"

Which group you choose to belong to is up to you.

[TBoneTX 45,090]

And they don't try to change the system by playing dirty.

It is equally plausible to claim that people are navigating through a dirty system until the system is changed so that it is not (as) dirty, si man?

I would not feel good about myself playing dirty especially with in a case where others who are just like me can be affected unfairly.

We lack proof that anyone IS being affected unfairly, Dave. However, if you view this as a risk, you are free to refrain from calling, and no one can tell you that you must.

[TBoneTX 45,090]

As someone else said earlier, you are actually talking to those who approve cases.

I'm sorry, Brian, but none of our calls go directly to the adjudicators on the floor.

I chose to respect other filers by not bothering USCIS during the process. I hope others on visa journey will clearly see the implicatons of calling the RFE line and wait patiently as well.

I personally respect the choice that you made, Brian, and others are free to weigh your advice.

[rebeccajo 14]

I have avoided posting in this thread and I highly doubt I will again, but I am in agreement with Rebecca.

It is selfish to call the RFE line if your case is still being processed in a timely manner. Yes, we all want nothing more than to be with our loved ones again, but not a one of you is more important than another. Is it really more important that you can find out if your petition is on a desk vs someone being able to find out exactly which document they need to send so their case isn't DENIED? Besides everytime you are talking to an officer, you are taking time in which they could be approving a case. That slows it down for EVERYONE that has a case at CSC, not just K1. What's more, it is a major interuption to get a phone call in the middle of your work. The officer is much more likely to make a mistake then. How would you like an RFE for no good reason other than that the officer was distracted by a phone call and didn't see a document you already sent? That adds on an easy 2-4 weeks to any petition.

Leave them alone to do their work. You'll make it faster for everyone. If they need you, they know how to contact you. Your case won't get lost or pushed behind a desk. You will still be processed in the general order your case was received.

If you want to know what's going on, watch the most recent approvals here on VJ and check your online account at USCIS. I didn't even call the mis-information line during processing because it is a waste of their resources to tell me my petition is still pending. I can clearly see that by the website and know I have a while longer to wait when they are still approving petitions sent 1 month earlier.

Brian and Kathey, Your post of your opinion is nicely put and presents your argument well without attacking or insulting anyone. Although our opinions may differ a bit, one of the purposes of discussion forums such as these is for intelligent discourse.

"your case won't get lost or pushed behind a desk" Actually there are many stories on here of folks who have had their petitions lost or misplaced and have even had to go as far as resubmitting their application and going to the back of the line.

I've paid my fees, followed the procedures, I believe it is my right to know where exactly my file and case are in the system. Their generic basic information that is posted on the website is lacking. There is definately a need for more transparency of where your application is in the process. I am a person who believes in being proactive in all my business dealings. this has served me well in life and I am convinced it has saved me much money, time, grief and aggravation in life. So I feel it is my obligation to my family to do everything in my power to use all the tools available to me.

My problem with Rebeccajo was her tone in ascerting her position. She was frankly rude, judgemental and insulting to me personally, without me even addressing her in my initial post. Rebecca you don't know me or my family or what our situation may be, my responsibily is to my family and no one else.

This reminds me of a saying my father always told me. There are basically 3 types of people in this world. 1) Those who wait for things to happen. 2) Those who make things happen. 3) those who say "What happened"

Which group you choose to belong to is up to you.

I've been in this thread for over a week. I have attempted to remain civil. I have been told that my links were questionable; I have had my personal timeline thrown up in my face; it was implied in the start of the thread that I don't know what I'm talking about and didn't have the knowledge to reply.

I don't believe I have been rude. I have been forthright. I have pointed out that using the system for anything other than its intended purpose is a misuse of that. I stand by that.

If it makes you feel better to consider yourself a 'getting it done' person by abusing something that was put in place to benefit a petitioner who has a legitimate question, well as I said before - good for you.

But don't allow yourself to have that thought and make judgments about what I have said in the same paragraphs, because your halo is slipping bigtime.

Edited March 7, 2008 by rebeccajo

[TBoneTX 45,090]

I don't believe I have been rude. I have been forthright. I have pointed out that using the system for anything other than its intended purpose is a misuse of that. I stand by that.

I'm sorry to take exception, but just today there was a distinct accusation that I was lying...

If it makes you feel better to consider yourself a 'getting it done' person by abusing something that was put in place to benefit a petitioner who has a legitimate question, well as I said before - good for you.

For the fifth time now (third time today): The method was recommended (without restrictions) by an Immigration Officer assigned to USCIS. Unless anyone here presently works for USCIS in a capacity superior to that of the Immigration Officer, no one here can say that use of the method is "abuse" except as a matter of total personal opinion.

But don't allow yourself to have that thought and make judgments about what I have said in the same paragraphs, because your halo is slipping bigtime.

I'm sorry to disagree, but you seem to be judging what others are saying, rj, when the truth remains that their opinions and assumptions might be just as valid as yours are.

Edited March 7, 2008 by TBoneTX

[rebeccajo 14]

TBone -

There was a distinct accusation on your part that my links were not valid.

I'm making my judgments upon what the line was put in place for.

Its. That. Simple.

[Minya's wife 24]

I don't believe I have been rude. I have been forthright. I have pointed out that using the system for anything other than its intended purpose is a misuse of that. I stand by that.

I'm sorry to take exception, but just today there was a distinct accusation that I was lying...

If it makes you feel better to consider yourself a 'getting it done' person by abusing something that was put in place to benefit a petitioner who has a legitimate question, well as I said before - good for you.

For the fifth time now (third time today): The method was recommended (without restrictions) by an Immigration Officer assigned to USCIS. Unless anyone here presently works for USCIS in a capacity superior to that of the Immigration Officer, no one here can say that use of the method is "abuse" except as a matter of total personal opinion.

But don't allow yourself to have that thought and make judgments about what I have said in the same paragraphs, because your halo is slipping bigtime.

I'm sorry to disagree, but you seem to be judging what others are saying, rj, when the truth remains that their opinions and assumptions might be just as valid as yours are.

I'm sorry, I don't remember anymore....who is this Immigration Officer assigned to USCIS that is recommending the use of the RFE line? Perhaps he/she would like to log onto VJ, and post this information w/ an employee ID# attached to it....since its completely recommended by USCIS and all, we can have it "straight from the horse's mouth" so to speak.

-P

Edited March 7, 2008 by Paula&Minya

[TBoneTX 45,090]

I'm sorry, I don't remember anymore....who is this Immigration Officer assigned to USCIS that is recommending the use of the RFE line? Perhaps he/she would like to log onto VJ, and post this information w/ an employee ID# attached to it....since its completely recommended by USCIS and all, we can have it "straight from the horse's mouth" so to speak.

Paula, you're welcome to (shudder) call the RFE line (gasp) to obtain the badge number of Officer Martinez, who was on duty on Wednesday, 24 October 2007. USCIS is so good at releasing information that they should be happy to supply that for you, si man.