Clinton wins New Mexico caucuses

[garya505 2]

It's embarrasing how our state was so late with the count. Not like there is that many folks here. And already a lot of talk of voter fraud. Just rediculous how this state handled it. When I voted at my precinct - I had to leave without voting cus I went during my lunch break. Went back at 3:00 and didnt get out until almost 6:00.

I didn't really see the reasons why it happened. Was it the state or the party that buggered it up?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Apparently most VJers missed the point of her winning NM....

Enlighten us, will you?

[almaty 19]

yes i like to know too

[sparkofcreation 0]

14 vs. 12 delegates in NM. That means her overwhelming support among Hispanics is crumbling, doesn't it?

We're not all hispanic here. Albuquerque, the major metro area, is about 50% or so.

No, you're not all Hispanics there but there's a higher portion of Hispanics in NM than most - if not any - states.

Come to Cali (or TX). You'll eat your words

Um, sorry, but you're just plain WRONG. New Mexico does indeed have the highest percentage of Hispanics.

New Mexico: 44%

California: 36%

Texas: 36%

Arizona: 29%

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/hhmcensus1.html

Guess it's YOU who will be eating your words.

[Ban Hammer 13,641]

14 vs. 12 delegates in NM. That means her overwhelming support among Hispanics is crumbling, doesn't it?

We're not all hispanic here. Albuquerque, the major metro area, is about 50% or so.

No, you're not all Hispanics there but there's a higher portion of Hispanics in NM than most - if not any - states.

Come to Cali (or TX). You'll eat your words

Um, sorry, but you're just plain WRONG. New Mexico does indeed have the highest percentage of Hispanics.

New Mexico: 44%

California: 36%

Texas: 36%

Arizona: 29%

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/hhmcensus1.html

Guess it's YOU who will be eating your words.

as the word portion was used, not percentage, she may have been speaking about the portion of the hispanic population throughtout the usa as a whole.

total hispanic population breaks down like this:

New Mexico..........1,819,046 total population

New Mexico..........800,380 hispanics in population (44% of total population)

California.............33,871,648 total population

California............. 12,193,793 hispanics in population (36% of total population)

Texas..................20,851,820 total population

Texas.................. 7,506,655 hispanics in population (36% of total population)

Arizona.................5,130,632 total population

Arizona.................1,487,883 hispanics in population (29% of total population)

link

Edited February 15, 2008 by charlesandnessa

[kaydee457 13]

hey my husband had a moment of madness because he said "I thought new mexico was in texas?" I choked on my drink. he understands he was wrong now idiot!

You'd be surprised how many Americans when asked about New Mexico think it's in another country!

[GaryC 7]

14 vs. 12 delegates in NM. That means her overwhelming support among Hispanics is crumbling, doesn't it?

We're not all hispanic here. Albuquerque, the major metro area, is about 50% or so.

No, you're not all Hispanics there but there's a higher portion of Hispanics in NM than most - if not any - states.

Come to Cali (or TX). You'll eat your words

Um, sorry, but you're just plain WRONG. New Mexico does indeed have the highest percentage of Hispanics.

New Mexico: 44%

California: 36%

Texas: 36%

Arizona: 29%

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/hhmcensus1.html

Guess it's YOU who will be eating your words.

as the word portion was used, not percentage, she may have been speaking about the portion of the hispanic population throughtout the usa as a whole.

total hispanic population breaks down like this:

New Mexico..........1,819,046 total population

New Mexico..........800,380 hispanics in population (44% of total population)

California.............33,871,648 total population

California............. 12,193,793 hispanics in population (36% of total population)

Texas..................20,851,820 total population

Texas.................. 7,506,655 hispanics in population (36% of total population)

Arizona.................5,130,632 total population

Arizona.................1,487,883 hispanics in population (29% of total population)

link

PWND!!!!!

[sparkofcreation 0]

as the word portion was used, not percentage, she may have been speaking about the portion of the hispanic population throughtout the usa as a whole.

total hispanic population breaks down like this:

New Mexico..........1,819,046 total population

New Mexico..........800,380 hispanics in population (44% of total population)

California.............33,871,648 total population

California............. 12,193,793 hispanics in population (36% of total population)

Texas..................20,851,820 total population

Texas.................. 7,506,655 hispanics in population (36% of total population)

Arizona.................5,130,632 total population

Arizona.................1,487,883 hispanics in population (29% of total population)

link

PWND!!!!!

Wow, I hope you didn't hurt yourself twisting statistics and the English language like that. After all, who'd want to just admit they were wrong when it was possible to twist the meaning of words from their ordinary usage to prove they were right?

If s/he had meant "the highest number of Hispanics" s/he would have said "the highest number of Hispanics." "The highest portion of any state" clearly means the portion of Hispanics relative to the state. It's the language used everywhere to talk about the demographics of a particular state. In fact, I suspect it *may* have been a typo for "proportion," which is another word for "percentage."

By the way, Mr. Big Dog who said that the 14/12 split was wrong: no, YOU'RE wrong. It's indeed 14/12. It was 13/12 until yesterday. When the final count was announced, the last delegate was given to Clinton, making the total 14/12.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/electio...ECTION=POLITICS

Edited February 15, 2008 by sparkofcreation

[no name 1]

This is amusing. Here's some (more) facts for you spark.

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48%

The percentage of the Hispanic-origin population that lives in California or Texas. California is home to 13.1 million Hispanics, and Texas is home to 8.4 million.

15

The number of states with at least a half million Hispanic residents. They are Arizona, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Massachusetts, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Texas and Washington.

4.7 million

The Hispanic population of Los Angeles County, California—the largest of any county in the nation.

link

Edited February 15, 2008 by illumine

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

14 vs. 12 delegates in NM. That means her overwhelming support among Hispanics is crumbling, doesn't it?

We're not all hispanic here. Albuquerque, the major metro area, is about 50% or so.

No, you're not all Hispanics there but there's a higher portion of Hispanics in NM than most - if not any - states.

Come to Cali (or TX). You'll eat your words

Um, sorry, but you're just plain WRONG. New Mexico does indeed have the highest percentage of Hispanics.

New Mexico: 44%

California: 36%

Texas: 36%

Arizona: 29%

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/hhmcensus1.html

Guess it's YOU who will be eating your words.

as the word portion was used, not percentage, she may have been speaking about the portion of the hispanic population throughtout the usa as a whole.

What relevance would that comparison have in this context? None. I was clearly referring to the portion of Hispanics within the state compared the the portion of Hispanics within other states. And according to the stats provided by spark - thanks - NM outranks them all. Which then brings me back to my original point that the 49 - 48 showing for Clinton in NM is much wose than what she would have expected in this particular state given the composition of it's Democratic voters vs. her core support base thus far.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

This is amusing. Here's some (more) facts for you spark.

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48%

The percentage of the Hispanic-origin population that lives in California or Texas. California is home to 13.1 million Hispanics, and Texas is home to 8.4 million.

15

The number of states with at least a half million Hispanic residents. They are Arizona, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Massachusetts, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Texas and Washington.

4.7 million

The Hispanic population of Los Angeles County, California—the largest of any county in the nation.

link

What's the relevance of any of these figure in regards to the showing of Clinton in NM?

By the way, Mr. Big Dog who said that the 14/12 split was wrong: no, YOU'RE wrong. It's indeed 14/12. It was 13/12 until yesterday. When the final count was announced, the last delegate was given to Clinton, making the total 14/12.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/electio...ECTION=POLITICS

Fair enough. I'll make sure to consult my crystal ball next time I post. At the time I looked it up, the count was 13-12. They just published that without telling me that this would change hours later.

[garya505 2]

Anyway ... statistics aside, we're proud of our tri-cultural heritage here in NM.

[isleta521 5]

It's embarrasing how our state was so late with the count. Not like there is that many folks here. And already a lot of talk of voter fraud. Just rediculous how this state handled it. When I voted at my precinct - I had to leave without voting cus I went during my lunch break. Went back at 3:00 and didnt get out until almost 6:00.

I didn't really see the reasons why it happened. Was it the state or the party that buggered it up?

There has been some finger pointing:

http://election.kob.com/article/stories/S3...shtml?cat=10568

. . . . Of the 22 states that held Democratic primaries and caucuses on Super Tuesday, New Mexico was the last to report a winner. The caucus here was run by the state Democratic party rather than by state government.

Colon, who came under fire for his handling of the troubled election, thanked the hundreds of volunteers who counted the ballots. The final figures "have been double and triple checked," he said in a televised announcement.

New Mexico Democrats call their contest a caucus, but it’s not like Iowa’s caucuses where voters gather in gyms, churches or meeting rooms, divide into groups for each candidate, try to attract more support from other groups, and then count each group. Rather it more closely resembles a "firehall primary" _ a primary with shorter voting hours and fewer voting sites than would be found in traditional state primaries.

It was a mess: Overwhelmed polling places with long lines, some up to three hours. Too few ballots. Confusion over where to vote. Bad weather in the north. In Rio Rancho, one of the state’s largest cities, a single polling location where 1,900 people remain lined up at 7 p.m on election night.

Colon has apologized repeatedly: "We absolutely miscalculated and I apologize. It’s a tragedy when folks are not afforded the opportunity to vote."

The firestorm of criticism included some from Democratic Gov. Bill Richardson, a former presidential hopeful who said he was "deeply disturbed" by the problems. Partly because he was a candidate himself until mid-January, Richardson himself never got involved in helping plan or promote the caucus, as he did in 2004, the first year New Mexico tried it.

On Super Tuesday, Clinton and Obama vied for 26 of New Mexico’s 38 delegates to this summer’s Democratic National Convention. Twelve so-called superdelegates are not bound by caucus results.

New Mexico awards Democratic delegates proportionally, based on statewide vote totals and on the results in individual congressional districts.

In two of the state’s three congressional districts, Clinton and Obama equally split an even number of delegates at stake. In District 2, which had an uneven number of delegates, Clinton won the additional one by outpolling Obama by 55 percent to 41 percent, according to unofficial results.

Nine statewide delegates were at stake. Obama and Clinton evenly split the eight delegates already awarded. The final one was assigned to the statewide popular vote winner.

[Ban Hammer 13,641]

What relevance would that comparison have in this context? None.

just addressing what dev may have been addressing, specifically this: there's a higher portion of Hispanics in NM than most - if not any - states.

[GaryC 7]

The bottom line is this. Regardless of the exact numbers Hillary was counting on the Hispanic vote to bolster her run. The fact that she just split NM does not bode well for her. If that ratio holds true in CA then the best she can hope for is a split there. Since Obama is ahead on the delegate count that means she will need to depend on the superdelegates or finding a way to seat the FL and MI delegates to win. That would not be good.