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Since his last combat deployment in Iraq, Jeremy Hall has had a rough time, getting shoved and threatened by his fellow soldiers. The trouble started there when he would not pray in the mess hall.

"A senior ranking staff sergeant told me to leave and sit somewhere else because I refused to pray," Hall, a 23-year-old US army specialist, told AFP.

Later, Hall was confronted by a major for holding an authorized meeting of "atheists and freethinkers" on his base. The officer threatened to discipline him and block his re-enlistment.

"He said: 'You guys are being a problem and problems can be removed,'" Hall said. "He was yelling at us and stuff and at the very end he says, 'I really love you guys, I want you to see the light.'"

Now Hall is suing the major and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, accusing them of breaching his constitutional rights. A campaign group, the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, is waiting for the Pentagon to respond to a lawsuit filed in a Kansas federal court on Hall's behalf.

It alleges a "pernicious pattern and practice" of infringement of religious liberties in the military.

The group's founder, former Air Force lawyer Mikey Weinstein, said he has documented 6,800 testimonies by military personnel -- nearly all of them Christians -- of sometimes punitive or humiliating attempts to make them accept a fundamentalist evangelical interpretation of Christianity.

"I am at war with those people who would create a fundamentalist Christian theocracy in the technologically most lethal organization ever created by our species, which is the United States armed forces," he said.

He plans to add extra charges and possibly other lawsuits this month.

"It violates title seven of the US code for an employer to push their Biblical world view on an employee," he said. "But it's a trillion times worse when that is not just your shift manager at Starbucks but that is your military superior."

He singles out one of the major Christian groups in the military, the Officers Christian Fellowship (OCF).

The group represents 15,000 US military personnel around the world, according to its director, retired Air Force general Bruce Fister.

"It is not the position of OCF to try and coerce people to believe what we believe," Fister told AFP.

OCF's aim, as stated on its website, is to achieve "a spiritually transformed military, with ambassadors for Christ in uniform, empowered by the Holy Spirit."

It professes belief in "the eternal blessedness of the saved; and the everlasting, conscious punishment of the lost."

Fister emphasized the group's work to support families of soldiers deployed in the "global war on terror."

"People make mistakes. There's probably been some instances where people have wrongly spoken," he added. "We'd like them not to, but that's life."

"Our checks within our equal opportunity channels identified fewer than 100 formal complaints over a two-year period," said Pentagon spokeswoman Eileen Lainez.

Army spokesman Paul Boyce told AFP: "The Army places a high value on the rights of its soldiers to observe tenets of their respective religious faiths."

The MRFF's constitutional complaint "is a matter of the courts system to address and resolve," he added.

"The joint standards of conduct for the Armed Forces and military equal opportunity policies address the freedom of religion, avoiding discrimination because of religion."

But Weinstein argued that most personnel are "too terrified" to speak out.

"When you actually fight against them, they make your life hell," said Hall, adding he has been passed over for promotion since launching his lawsuit. "I can't get a leg up no matter what I do."

A former military chaplain of a prestigious US military college reported being prevented from leading worship after disagreeing with the fundamentalist stance of other officials.

"I am not ready to say that if someone does not profess Christ as their savior that they are going to hell ... That got a lot of people angered," the minister told AFP, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of retaliation against a spouse who is a senior officer.

"The leader of the youth group that ministered to the teens (at the academy) said that Catholics were not Christians and that Muslims hated Christians, and that created a lot of tension," the ex-chaplain added.

"As a soldier, many times you want to believe you're fighting on the right side. It's easy to kill someone if you believe that they're going to hell and that they are religiously opposed to you."

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hmm.. not a surprise to me..

Peace to All creatures great and small............................................

But when we turn to the Hebrew literature, we do not find such jokes about the donkey. Rather the animal is known for its strength and its loyalty to its master (Genesis 49:14; Numbers 22:30).

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OCF's aim, as stated on its website, is to achieve "a spiritually transformed military, with ambassadors for Christ in uniform, empowered by the Holy Spirit."

It professes belief in "the eternal blessedness of the saved; and the everlasting, conscious punishment of the lost."

Wonderful. :wacko:

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From the OCF website:

Important Elements in the Spiritual War

Jim Wilson

There are a number of weapons and tactics in Spiritual Warfare. Some are:

1. The objective. God’s objective was the salvation of the world. In history He assigned subordinate objectives to the prophets. Each’s objective was a part of the whole. After the war had been going on for thousands of years, God produced the decisive person, place, action and time: Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today and forever. God accomplished His purpose.

2. Since that time, the enemy of our souls has been severely handicapped: his power is limited; his intelligence is limited; his time is limited; and, his arrogance is unlimited.

3. We do not wage war as the world does. The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. Our weapons have Divine Power to demolish strongholds.

4. Satan is overcome by the Blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.

5. Kindness is the greatest weapon in kingdom warfare. It is the major weapon of God in leading people to repentance.

6. The Word of God is our offensive weapon, ". . . the sword of the Spirit."

7. Unity in the battle is essential. Unity is composed of two components: 1) greatest loyalty is to the supreme commander of all units, and 2) great love for all those who are under the supreme commander.

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brother arijit, when i was in the army i put down american indian under religion and it was on my dog tags .....as 'indian..' i had more than one visit from pastors trying to convert me..

Peace to All creatures great and small............................................

But when we turn to the Hebrew literature, we do not find such jokes about the donkey. Rather the animal is known for its strength and its loyalty to its master (Genesis 49:14; Numbers 22:30).

Peppi_drinking_beer.jpg

my burro, bosco ..enjoying a beer in almaty

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i think they thought i was a hindu

Peace to All creatures great and small............................................

But when we turn to the Hebrew literature, we do not find such jokes about the donkey. Rather the animal is known for its strength and its loyalty to its master (Genesis 49:14; Numbers 22:30).

Peppi_drinking_beer.jpg

my burro, bosco ..enjoying a beer in almaty

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war needs the existence of god to propogate itself. w/out the delusional directive from god we could have avoided many many wars/conflicts.

if you take god out of the picture, you leave people to fight for something they can achieve, and thus the war must come to an end.

when your platform is we're fighting evil - well there will always be evil to fight - you never win, the war continues, the rich keep pocketing from the spoils of war while the poor send their children off to the slaughterhouse all under the false pretense that god is on their side and they are waging a just and noble cause.

war is war. both sides are screwed. if you have any faith in this almighty, omnipotent being called god - why on earth would he want ANYONE to kill that what is gods? who benefits when two individuals, groups, countries go to war - evil.. evil has already won by bringing out the worst in everyone.

so, back to my original point - war needs god to exist.

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hmm.. not a surprise to me..

I find this very disturbing, if it turns out to be true. Evangelical fundamentalists run the military???

:no:

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The title is inflammatory, and sensational. The context of "U.S. military accused of harboring fundamentalism" suggests that this kind of situation is prevalent in the U.S. military.

I can tell you firsthand it is not.

This situation, if true, is the observation, and interpretation of a single instance. If it's true then those in charge will be dealt with, severely.

It's certainly not policy to impose religious beliefs on enlisted personnel or on junior officers either for that matter.......

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so, back to my original point - war needs god to exist.

when receiving incoming, you won't find many atheists in a foxhole......

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