McCain says Obama or Clinton will blame America more than our enemies for threatening our security

[dalegg 143]

I don't really see Obama or Clinton winning the Presidency unless 1 of 2 things happen-

One is that the far right wing of the Republican party spin off on a third party- a real possibility, and the other is that part of the voting public just stays home- also a strong possibility.

But if everybody that voted 4 years ago votes again, McCain has to get it. Remember that most people actually voted for Bush last time. I cannot imagine too many people who voted for Bush 4 years ago suddenly voting for Obama. That is really an extreme change in political mindset. And we know how most Republicans feel about Clinton. You really don't have the "protest" vote either in the General election, because the Republicans already did that by voting in McCain! It's not like this is Cheney. Republicans will not associate McCain with Bush like they did with Ford and Nixon. He has spent 8 years distancing himself from Bush.

So.. what about swing voters? I see middle of the road Republicans voting for McCain. Heck he is their perfect candidate. I see middle of the Road Democrats also voting for McCain. I've seen a lot of those voters come right out and say they would never vote for Clinton. I have never heard a middle of the Road Republican say they would vote for Clinton. Independants-- again, McCain pretty much IS the independant candidate.

So if everyone votes and there is no far right 3rd party how can Democrats possibly win?

[Dan J 277]

I don't really see Obama or Clinton winning the Presidency unless 1 of 2 things happen-

One is that the far right wing of the Republican party spin off on a third party- a real possibility, and the other is that part of the voting public just stays home- also a strong possibility.

But if everybody that voted 4 years ago votes again, McCain has to get it. Remember that most people actually voted for Bush last time. I cannot imagine too many people who voted for Bush 4 years ago suddenly voting for Obama. That is really an extreme change in political mindset. And we know how most Republicans feel about Clinton. You really don't have the "protest" vote either in the General election, because the Republicans already did that by voting in McCain! It's not like this is Cheney. Republicans will not associate McCain with Bush like they did with Ford and Nixon. He has spent 8 years distancing himself from Bush.

So.. what about swing voters? I see middle of the road Republicans voting for McCain. Heck he is their perfect candidate. I see middle of the Road Democrats also voting for McCain. I've seen a lot of those voters come right out and say they would never vote for Clinton. I have never heard a middle of the Road Republican say they would vote for Clinton. Independants-- again, McCain pretty much IS the independant candidate.

So if everyone votes and there is no far right 3rd party how can Democrats possibly win?

Mccain is stuck between two groups, both of which are difficult to please. If he pleases one, he alienates the other. And he needs both of them to win.

[garya505 2]

I don't really see Obama or Clinton winning the Presidency unless 1 of 2 things happen-

One is that the far right wing of the Republican party spin off on a third party- a real possibility, and the other is that part of the voting public just stays home- also a strong possibility.

But if everybody that voted 4 years ago votes again, McCain has to get it. Remember that most people actually voted for Bush last time. I cannot imagine too many people who voted for Bush 4 years ago suddenly voting for Obama. That is really an extreme change in political mindset. And we know how most Republicans feel about Clinton. You really don't have the "protest" vote either in the General election, because the Republicans already did that by voting in McCain! It's not like this is Cheney. Republicans will not associate McCain with Bush like they did with Ford and Nixon. He has spent 8 years distancing himself from Bush.

So.. what about swing voters? I see middle of the road Republicans voting for McCain. Heck he is their perfect candidate. I see middle of the Road Democrats also voting for McCain. I've seen a lot of those voters come right out and say they would never vote for Clinton. I have never heard a middle of the Road Republican say they would vote for Clinton. Independants-- again, McCain pretty much IS the independant candidate.

So if everyone votes and there is no far right 3rd party how can Democrats possibly win?

Ya, a lot of middle of the road stuff goin on here. The number of moderate Dems who are saying they'll vote for McCain is really out of control. The right-wingers b!tch and complain, but in the end when it comes to allowing Clinton or Obama in, I don't think they'll stay home.

[DeadPoolX 9]

In reference to both Bush and Obama, their past and experience (or relative lack thereof), I just have to say... I don't really give a damn what someone's done before they get into a seat of power. They haven't had the ability to affect me up until that point. What I do care about is what they will do once they have the ability to instigate change and make important decisions.

So if someone's missing a few years of experience or partied a little too hard in their younger years, I don't care. If they can do a good job when it counts, that's what matters to me.

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

I think not partying through the first 20 years of adulthood has relevance, yes.

I guess you don't count Obama's illegal drug use as "partying".

soooo - you excuse bush's drug use, or wot? it doesn''t if count it's a republican?

Edited February 14, 2008 by rkl57

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

Now the fun starts.

let's pretend you know sometiing about american politics?!?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

In reference to both Bush and Obama, their past and experience (or relative lack thereof), I just have to say... I don't really give a damn what someone's done before they get into a seat of power. They haven't had the ability to affect me up until that point. What I do care about is what they will do once they have the ability to instigate change and make important decisions.

So if someone's missing a few years of experience or partied a little too hard in their younger years, I don't care. If they can do a good job when it counts, that's what matters to me.

If we were talking about you or I applying for a job upgrade - then surely background and experience come into play in deciding who is the best, or even a good candidate.

[kaydee457 13]

Lemme see, when I left this thread I was labeled a "bigot" for saying Barack's amassed experience is rooted in the South Side Chicago slums......

A couple of corrections....Barack Obama is a first term freshman U.S. Senator that's served 3 of a 4 year term, not a full 4 year term. He was elected to the U.S. Senate in Jan 2005, by some foolish Illinoian’s that thought he meant what he said; "I'm not running for president", which of course we now know is a lie. In Jan 2007, two years into his freshman term, he announced his candidacy just 2 years into his first term.

He's now a deadbeat senator that IMO should resign his Senate seat to allow Illinoian’s to have full time representation of their interests.

McCain's experience is not limited to being a POW.

He was a career Naval Officer that in his last years of service acquired the rank of O6, Captain and commanded the U.S. Navy's largest attack squadron.

He also served as a Pentagon liaison officer to the U.S. Senate.

I posted to another thread a video of a room full of dems that are infatuated with this guy but are woefully ignorant of the man, his accomplishments, or anything that they themselves can cite as tangible.....

Very curious indeed!

[no name 1]

In reference to both Bush and Obama, their past and experience (or relative lack thereof), I just have to say... I don't really give a damn what someone's done before they get into a seat of power. They haven't had the ability to affect me up until that point. What I do care about is what they will do once they have the ability to instigate change and make important decisions.

So if someone's missing a few years of experience or partied a little too hard in their younger years, I don't care. If they can do a good job when it counts, that's what matters to me.

If we were talking about you or I applying for a job upgrade - then surely background and experience come into play in deciding who is the best, or even a good candidate.

Exactly. How can we think someone will be a good candidate if we don't base it on their past?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I don't really see Obama or Clinton winning the Presidency unless 1 of 2 things happen-

One is that the far right wing of the Republican party spin off on a third party- a real possibility, and the other is that part of the voting public just stays home- also a strong possibility.

But if everybody that voted 4 years ago votes again, McCain has to get it. Remember that most people actually voted for Bush last time. I cannot imagine too many people who voted for Bush 4 years ago suddenly voting for Obama. That is really an extreme change in political mindset. And we know how most Republicans feel about Clinton. You really don't have the "protest" vote either in the General election, because the Republicans already did that by voting in McCain! It's not like this is Cheney. Republicans will not associate McCain with Bush like they did with Ford and Nixon. He has spent 8 years distancing himself from Bush.

So.. what about swing voters? I see middle of the road Republicans voting for McCain. Heck he is their perfect candidate. I see middle of the Road Democrats also voting for McCain. I've seen a lot of those voters come right out and say they would never vote for Clinton. I have never heard a middle of the Road Republican say they would vote for Clinton. Independants-- again, McCain pretty much IS the independant candidate.

So if everyone votes and there is no far right 3rd party how can Democrats possibly win?

Because 4 years ago, many voters were easily convinced that Bush's war in Iraq was also his war on terrur. Not too many people are still drinking that kool-aid and unfortunately for McCain, he bought into the rhetoric as well.

The voters will go to the booths to vote on the economy this time as that is the more pressing issue...and traditionally, that has meant a Democrat.

[DeadPoolX 9]

In reference to both Bush and Obama, their past and experience (or relative lack thereof), I just have to say... I don't really give a damn what someone's done before they get into a seat of power. They haven't had the ability to affect me up until that point. What I do care about is what they will do once they have the ability to instigate change and make important decisions.

So if someone's missing a few years of experience or partied a little too hard in their younger years, I don't care. If they can do a good job when it counts, that's what matters to me.

If we were talking about you or I applying for a job upgrade - then surely background and experience come into play in deciding who is the best, or even a good candidate.

Define "background" here. Would it be education or self-taught skills? Maybe both? In terms of experience, we might run into the old conundrum of "you need experience to get the position but you need the position to gain the experience." Often times, many people get screwed over by this catch-22.

In reference to both Bush and Obama, their past and experience (or relative lack thereof), I just have to say... I don't really give a damn what someone's done before they get into a seat of power. They haven't had the ability to affect me up until that point. What I do care about is what they will do once they have the ability to instigate change and make important decisions.

So if someone's missing a few years of experience or partied a little too hard in their younger years, I don't care. If they can do a good job when it counts, that's what matters to me.

If we were talking about you or I applying for a job upgrade - then surely background and experience come into play in deciding who is the best, or even a good candidate.

Exactly. How can we think someone will be a good candidate if we don't base it on their past?

We can base individuals on their past up to a certain point. Sometimes people change. I know I'm certainly not the same person I was five or ten years ago. Who's to say anyone running for political office is either?

[Peikko 1,575]

Now the fun starts.

let's pretend you know sometiing about american politics?!?

I have an opinion, and my opinion is that due to the way America elects it's presidential candidates, and it's presidents these kind of ridiculous issues have a tendency to obscure the things that really matter...like exactly what a candidate would do if elected...you know actual policies? You start to sling mud one way, and equal if not more mud will get slung right back at you, achieving a sum total of not very much.

[garya505 2]

I think not partying through the first 20 years of adulthood has relevance, yes.

I guess you don't count Obama's illegal drug use as "partying".

soooo - you excuse bush's drug use, or wot? it doesn''t if count it's a republican?

You're the one who brought in Bush's lack of experience due to partying, when I questioned Obama's experience relevant to being president, so I countered with Obama's drug use. You're the one who wants to compare Obama and Bush. I don't excuse illegal drug use by anyone. WRT running for president, experience relevant to the position is what matters. This isn't about Bush anymore, though people like you who are still suffering from BDS may think so.

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

You're the one who brought in Bush's lack of experience due to partying, when I questioned Obama's experience relevant to being president, so I countered with Obama's drug use. You're the one who wants to compare Obama and Bush. I don't excuse illegal drug use by anyone. WRT running for president, experience relevant to the position is what matters. This isn't about Bush anymore, though people like you who are still suffering from BDS may think so.

My original post was about experience not drugs

Let me spell it out for you since nuance and irony is lost on you:

Bush had no experience doing much of anything until the age of 40. If you accuse Obama of lacking experience (which is totally valid, btw), it's worth pointing out that Bush did nothing with his life until age 40. Eight years as governor of texas (less than what Obama has in elected office) didn't really cancel that out.

[kaydee457 13]

I don't really see Obama or Clinton winning the Presidency unless 1 of 2 things happen-

One is that the far right wing of the Republican party spin off on a third party- a real possibility, and the other is that part of the voting public just stays home- also a strong possibility.

But if everybody that voted 4 years ago votes again, McCain has to get it. Remember that most people actually voted for Bush last time. I cannot imagine too many people who voted for Bush 4 years ago suddenly voting for Obama. That is really an extreme change in political mindset. And we know how most Republicans feel about Clinton. You really don't have the "protest" vote either in the General election, because the Republicans already did that by voting in McCain! It's not like this is Cheney. Republicans will not associate McCain with Bush like they did with Ford and Nixon. He has spent 8 years distancing himself from Bush.

So.. what about swing voters? I see middle of the road Republicans voting for McCain. Heck he is their perfect candidate. I see middle of the Road Democrats also voting for McCain. I've seen a lot of those voters come right out and say they would never vote for Clinton. I have never heard a middle of the Road Republican say they would vote for Clinton. Independants-- again, McCain pretty much IS the independant candidate.

So if everyone votes and there is no far right 3rd party how can Democrats possibly win?

Because 4 years ago, many voters were easily convinced that Bush's war in Iraq was also his war on terrur. Not too many people are still drinking that kool-aid and unfortunately for McCain, he bought into the rhetoric as well.

The voters will go to the booths to vote on the economy this time as that is the more pressing issue...and traditionally, that has meant a Democrat.

McCain's not advocating the war in IRAQ but rather recognizes that regardless how we got there, we are there and simply retreating would be a mistake no doubt casting the middle east into turmoil.

That's the difference between the unrealistic and naive rhetoric bantered about by the far left, and the Obama position as well. Even Hillary acknowledges that we cannot just pull out.

The economy's been booming for the past 7 years. Where have you been? This downturn is nothing more than the normal business cycle.

I'll tell you what bad is. During the democratic presidency of Jimmy Carter, inflation was 14% and mortgage interest was 21% and unemployment was at 10%.....We have core inflation at 3~4%, mortgage interest at 6%, and unemployment at 4%.....Just a few years ago an unemployment rate of 7% was considered "normal".....

Bad is all a matter of perspective!