My Brother the Superdelegate (and Why I Don't Trust Him to Pick the Next President)

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She might even try *gasp!* her fake crying thing again, too. Or have Bill pull out the race card again.

Ed Rendell, Governor of PA and prominent Hill supporter just pulled out the race card.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=110188

[PlatyPius 5]

She might even try *gasp!* her fake crying thing again, too. Or have Bill pull out the race card again.

Ed Rendell, Governor of PA and prominent Hill supporter just pulled out the race card.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=110188

Yeah, I read that earlier.

Funny, Obama got almost as many white votes as black ones. Guess people aren't as hung up on race as some think they are.

Obviously, however, most of the people in these states are misogynists rather than racists. LOL

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Lemme see.....Bro supports HC & author supports BO.

Next...

[GaryC 7]

I foresee a war this fall in the democratic party.

No matter who the nominee is, most democrats will support him or her. So i doubt it will really be anywhere near the fracture that the republican party is suffering. The republican party is really going through an identity crisis that may fracture the republican vote this fall.

Yep. That's the BIG difference. Democrats are much more united on the issues...but we happen to have two very strong candidates both wanting the nomination. As long as the Party remains democratic about choosing the nominee, there won't be any bloodbath.

Thats just it though. Hillary isn't going to just walk away if things don't go her way. First she will try and seat the MI and FL delegates. Then she will use Bill to "persuade" the superdelegates to back her. It will go to the convention and all hell will break loose. The only way the dems can avoid war is for Hillary to win it outright. Any other outcome and there will be blood.

Gary, the Democratic Party isn't some lapdog to the Clinton's, however much clout they have. If there is any meandering that goes on which is counter to the democratic process, particularly against the will of the voters, people within the party won't let it slide. There are way too many people, particularly super delegates within the party that have been around way longer than Bill and Hillary. You're giving them too much credit.

NAACP head wants barred delegates seated

WASHINGTON — A prominent civil rights leader has told the Democratic National Committee that refusing to seat delegates from Florida and Michigan would disenfranchise both states' minority communities.

In a Feb. 8 letter to DNC Chairman Howard Dean, NAACP chairman Julian Bond expressed "great concern at the prospect that million of voters in Michigan and Florida could ultimately have their votes completely discounted." Refusing to seat the states' delegations could remind voters of the "sordid history of racially discriminatory primaries," he said.

The DNC penalized Michigan and Florida for moving their primaries to earlier dates in violation of party rules. Both states were stripped of their delegates, and the party's presidential candidates signed a pledge not to campaign in either state. Florida lost all 210 delegates, including its superdelegates; Michigan, 156.

Since then, facing the prospect of a drawn-out delegate battle with Barack Obama, Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign has pushed hard for both states' delegations to be seated. Clinton won Florida's primary Jan. 29 and Michigan's Jan. 15, but was the only candidate to appear on the Michigan ballot after the other candidates removed their names.

In an interview, Bond said the NAACP had taken no position in the race between Clinton and Obama and would not endorse either candidate. He sent the letter on behalf of the voters in Michigan and especially Florida, where the Republican-controlled legislature and governor changed the state's primary date.

"It struck me as making the voters, including minority voters in Florida particularly, victims of the Republican legislature in Florida. I wanted to get Chairman Dean to find some way to rectify the situation," Bond said.

The DNC has said it would allow both states to hold a different contest, probably a caucus, that would comply with party rules. Either state can also appeal the penalty to the DNC credentials committee, which will not meet again until this summer.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080213/ap_on_...elegates_blacks

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The NAACP = National Association for the Advancement of Clintonian Politics

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Brokered Convention

Igor will come out and throw his hat in the ring for Billary.......

Then all hell will break lose.....Billary will sling some serious mud.

Game Over

[PlatyPius 5]

Hillary: "I think y'all should count Michigan and Florida in the delegate count!"

Public: "But you were the only candidate who went against your party and didn't remove your name from the ballot."

Hillary: "Gee, really? Hot damn! I win!"

Sadly, I can just SEE her planning this all along.

[Dan J 277]

Hillary: "I think y'all should count Michigan and Florida in the delegate count!"

Public: "But you were the only candidate who went against your party and didn't remove your name from the ballot."

Hillary: "Gee, really? Hot damn! I win!"

Sadly, I can just SEE her planning this all along.

If they were to be seated at the convention, would they have to be bound to the primary results in the state?

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The NAACP = National Association for the Advancement of Clintonian Politics

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I foresee a war this fall in the democratic party.

but they don't believe in guns, so it should be interesting.

Obviously, however, most of the people in these states are misogynists rather than racists. LOL

The NAACP = National Association for the Advancement of Clintonian Politics

good one arjit

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I disagree with the "Super Delegate" thing, just as I disagree with the Electoral college thing. This is 2008. We have computers. We have global communications. Decide elections on the ACTUAL vote, not on what your state thinks is right for you. ie: a 51%-49% popular vote in Indiana would mean that the 51% person got ALL of our electoral votes. That ain't right. If we had REAL democratic elections, we wouldn't have been stuck with monkey-boy in the white house for the past 7 years.

Basically, I disagree with anyone or anything that takes power away from the individual person. "Superdelegates" and the Electoral College do that.

Platy, I agree 100% with you on this. When the electoral college was first explained to me, I could not understand the logic to it (nor the cost efficiency). Perhaps it made sense generations ago. I think that this set up has contributed to the electoral apathy that the general population has shown over the years.

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']I disagree with the "Super Delegate" thing, just as I disagree with the Electoral college thing. This is 2008. We have computers. We have global communications. Decide elections on the ACTUAL vote, not on what your state thinks is right for you. [/u]ie: a 51%-49% popular vote in Indiana would mean that the 51% person got ALL of our electoral votes. That ain't right. If we had REAL democratic elections, we wouldn't have been stuck with monkey-boy in the white house for the past 7 years.

Basically, I disagree with anyone or anything that takes power away from the individual person. "Superdelegates" and the Electoral College do that.

Platy, I agree 100% with you on this. When the electoral college was first explained to me, I could not understand the logic to it (nor the cost efficiency). Perhaps it made sense generations ago. I think that this set up has contributed to the electoral apathy that the general population has shown over the years.

With regrad to Platy's point about superdelegates and electoral college, we are a representative democracy not a direct Athenian democracy . There is a nice article on that topic here .

This is what Alexander hamilton said:

"The body of people … do not possess the discernment and stability necessary for systematic government. To deny that they are frequently led into the grossest

errors by misinformation and passion, would be a flattery which their

own good sense must despise." --Alexander Hamilton.

It's also the reason why the senate was kept distant from the passions of the crowd with a 6 year term. As Washington said to Jefferson, the senate is designed to be a saucer to cool the passions of the moment that spill over from the House which is made much more susceptible to the passions of the masses with their shorter terms.

By the same token, I can conceive of the layer of superdelegates as that cooling system

However, if one goes by the logic of superdelegates conforming to the popular will of their constituents, then Senators, ted kennedy, John kerry and Gov. Deval should all vote for Hillary and publicly retract their endorsements of Barack.

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']I disagree with the "Super Delegate" thing, just as I disagree with the Electoral college thing. This is 2008. We have computers. We have global communications. Decide elections on the ACTUAL vote, not on what your state thinks is right for you. [/u]ie: a 51%-49% popular vote in Indiana would mean that the 51% person got ALL of our electoral votes. That ain't right. If we had REAL democratic elections, we wouldn't have been stuck with monkey-boy in the white house for the past 7 years.

Basically, I disagree with anyone or anything that takes power away from the individual person. "Superdelegates" and the Electoral College do that.

Platy, I agree 100% with you on this. When the electoral college was first explained to me, I could not understand the logic to it (nor the cost efficiency). Perhaps it made sense generations ago. I think that this set up has contributed to the electoral apathy that the general population has shown over the years.

With regrad to Platy's point about superdelegates and electoral college, we are a representative democracy not a direct Athenian democracy . There is a nice article on that topic here .

This is what Alexander hamilton said:

"The body of people … do not possess the discernment and stability necessary for systematic government. To deny that they are frequently led into the grossest

errors by misinformation and passion, would be a flattery which their

own good sense must despise." --Alexander Hamilton.

It's also the reason why the senate was kept distant from the passions of the crowd with a 6 year term. As Washington said to Jefferson, the senate is designed to be a saucer to cool the passions of the moment that spill over from the House which is made much more susceptible to the passions of the masses with their shorter terms.

By the same token, I can conceive of the layer of superdelegates as that cooling system

However, if one goes by the logic of superdelegates conforming to the popular will of their constituents, then Senators, ted kennedy, John kerry and Gov. Deval should all vote for Hillary and publicly retract their endorsements of Barack.

Ssshhh, don't speak nonsense!

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Just looking at the numbers:

There's 796 super delegates and so far,

156 have pledged their support to Obama

and

242 have pledged their support to Hillary

....

That's a difference of 88 super delegates...that's it.

[metta 0]

Just looking at the numbers:

There's 796 super delegates and so far,

156 have pledged their support to Obama

and

242 have pledged their support to Hillary

....

That's a difference of 88 super delegates...that's it.

To be fair, MI and Fl voters cannot be disenfranchised just because the Dem establishment decided to do so.