Adoption of Islamic Sharia law in Britain is 'unavoidable', says Archbishop of Canterbury

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Blimey, it's like watching a puppy dog who's slathering after a ###### on heat.

[Ban Hammer 13,360]

Blimey, it's like watching a puppy dog who's slathering after a ###### on heat.

who are you referring to?

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Reaction in quotes: Sharia Law Row

Some interesting perspectives.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Does anyone here actually know what sharia law is? And I don't mean what Wikipedia says about it. Could you explain it to a novice?

i've got the greatest reference material. here's the link

link

That made me smile

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Thanks for posting the link, Siete. A quote from one of the commentators introduces the basics when discussing Sharia law:

"Many Muslims are likely to be against Sharia because the interpretation and implementation... varies throughout the Islamic world.

"As Muslims in the UK are from across the world and therefore very diverse, it is unlikely all Muslims would ever agree to a single interpretation or implementation."

"What's more, I think it is unlikely that women would be included in any arbitration council. Although Islam gives women numerous Islamic rights, many Muslim women would fear discrimination due to patriarchal and cultural reasons. Muslims, particularly women may be pressurised by families and communities into using Sharia courts."

In Islamic theology, Sharia law is the divine law set by Allah, but, it is deduced by limited human perspectives, making it, in application, a mix of the sacred and the profane. There is no ONE Sharia law; but several that arise from widely varying interpretation and the infusion of culturally based norms. Furthermore, the scholars and jurists of Islamic jurisprudence aka fiqh, the man made law is conduit thru which Sharia is applied, are primarily licensed by 5 main legal guilds, 4 Sunni and 1 Shia, with other lesser or extinct guilds still exerting influence. The rulings of those with ijaza (license) would conform about 75% of the time. Most of these rulings are based on the needs of the societies that they were addressed to, and most of those are patriarchal societies.

The problem comes when there is a resistance to allowing Muslims living in the west to adapt fiqh to their circumstances. Insistance on remaining tied to interpretations developed from the ninth to the 11th centuries has hamstung fiqh and made it unappealing to many modern Muslims, yet there are those who believe that by holding back time, we are more authentically Muslim. They tend to be in control of the dissimination of law.

But Sharia law, in and of itself, is not bad. It is actually very limited in scope and flexible in application, for the Quran and the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh, expect us to take what is given and learn to apply it as circumstances require, in a manner that brings us closer to God and to each other, despite our differing beliefs.

Sharia is not merely a relic of the court system; it exists wherever practicing Muslims are. Sharia tells us when to pray, how to pray, to be charitiable, modest in word and deed, just in our dealings with others, what is premissible to eat, how to marry, whom to marry, and so on. The Message of God was given to all people of the earth and one can choose to follow it or not. The laws are quite similar to those of practicing Christians and Jews, our sisters and brothers in Abrahamic law. Those who choose to follow Jewish law and Christian law now this to be true.

Sharia is not what should be feared, it is those who believe they know the "one way" to mete it out.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Blimey, it's like watching a puppy dog who's slathering after a ###### on heat.

Not at all, Charles just knows I'm well educated in this subject matter, that's all.

[Ban Hammer 13,360]

Blimey, it's like watching a puppy dog who's slathering after a ###### on heat.

Not at all, Charles just knows I'm well educated in this subject matter, that's all.

yeah, apparently i can't even say something nice about someone without some #### making a major issue outta it.

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Sharia is not what should be feared, it is those who believe they know the "one way" to mete it out.

Twaaaaaaaat did you say? I kunt hear you.

yeah, apparently i can't even say something nice about someone without some #### making a major issue outta it.

Edited February 9, 2008 by Olivia*

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Thanks for posting the link, Siete. A quote from one of the commentators introduces the basics when discussing Sharia law:

"Many Muslims are likely to be against Sharia because the interpretation and implementation... varies throughout the Islamic world.

"As Muslims in the UK are from across the world and therefore very diverse, it is unlikely all Muslims would ever agree to a single interpretation or implementation."

"What's more, I think it is unlikely that women would be included in any arbitration council. Although Islam gives women numerous Islamic rights, many Muslim women would fear discrimination due to patriarchal and cultural reasons. Muslims, particularly women may be pressurised by families and communities into using Sharia courts."

In Islamic theology, Sharia law is the divine law set by Allah, but, it is deduced by limited human perspectives, making it, in application, a mix of the sacred and the profane. There is no ONE Sharia law; but several that arise from widely varying interpretation and the infusion of culturally based norms. Furthermore, the scholars and jurists of Islamic jurisprudence aka fiqh, the man made law is conduit thru which Sharia is applied, are primarily licensed by 5 main legal guilds, 4 Sunni and 1 Shia, with other lesser or extinct guilds still exerting influence. The rulings of those with ijaza (license) would conform about 75% of the time. Most of these rulings are based on the needs of the societies that they were addressed to, and most of those are patriarchal societies.

The problem comes when there is a resistance to allowing Muslims living in the west to adapt fiqh to their circumstances. Insistance on remaining tied to interpretations developed from the ninth to the 11th centuries has hamstung fiqh and made it unappealing to many modern Muslims, yet there are those who believe that by holding back time, we are more authentically Muslim. They tend to be in control of the dissimination of law.

But Sharia law, in and of itself, is not bad. It is actually very limited in scope and flexible in application, for the Quran and the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh, expect us to take what is given and learn to apply it as circumstances require, in a manner that brings us closer to God and to each other, despite our differing beliefs.

Sharia is not merely a relic of the court system; it exists wherever practicing Muslims are. Sharia tells us when to pray, how to pray, to be charitiable, modest in word and deed, just in our dealings with others, what is premissible to eat, how to marry, whom to marry, and so on. The Message of God was given to all people of the earth and one can choose to follow it or not. The laws are quite similar to those of practicing Christians and Jews, our sisters and brothers in Abrahamic law. Those who choose to follow Jewish law and Christian law now this to be true.

Sharia is not what should be feared, it is those who believe they know the "one way" to mete it out.

I'm actually pretty shocked that the archbishop is getting hauled over the coals for this. Nothing the media likes more than an old fashioned witch hunt; but I think it does show how much prejudice is out there amongst the general public toward muslims and Islam in general.