Hillary: Those who want to deport illegals are "living in some other universe"

[john & jean 37]

Just another example of popular politics !

[Peikko 1,575]

Social sarcasm goes over your head, I see. Continue to see racism around every corner. I can't help you.

No, you can't help me because I don't require any help. I see racism plain as day, twist it any way you like.

[HAL 9000 96]

Now, to stay on topic (if possible)... we should be referring to the reasons why these folks come here to get a piece of the pie. Too bad they can't just get it at home. Maybe we are too busy making pies for ourselves to keep in their ovens and not sharing.

It's not called sharing, it's TAKING. Huge difference.

True... we take at their expense. Is that what you mean? So they come here and take at ours. And that shows there is NO difference. So, I'll completely throw my support with the anti-illegal crowd as it currently stands IF, and ONLY if, we throw our support together to stop our abuse of foreigners in their countries.

We take, they take, everyone is happy and equal.

Or we could do things more civilized... we don't take, we share. Then when they come here [legally by consequence], they also share.

What *are* you talking about? Since when is the USA responsible for the world's problems?

not to label... but dude... you're talking LIKE a Republican now... (and no offense to the Republicans!!)

When I actually state we are responsible for the world's problems, I'll let you know.

And yes, only if you actually read what I've written thread after thread about unfair corporate (US companies) practices that we allow and even promote in countries that feed our nation with illegal immigration, then maybe, and *maybe* you'll actually understand what it is I'm talking about...

First off, I am not a 'dude'.

Resulting to insults to make you a 'bigger' person. How clever of you. I will happily discuss things when you stop being a condescending 'dude'.

My apologies, DEV. Contrary to what I read from you, I am capable of retracting my mistakes.

Where's the second?

I apologize if my language seems condescending to you. I am trying to merely point out with fact and real observation that which you are skating around.

[HAL 9000 96]

The only lasting benefit is to those who grow rich by exploiting cheap labor and the greed of consumers. I'm not a taker there, and I am not willing to give any more for the benefit of those who exploit me.

Yet the receiving end of the exploitation is still empoverished and needs to make up for the exploitation. They will seek a better life where they can get it.

You may not be a taker, but someone representing you certainly is. And the benefits are following them home. Hence, those that need will follow them as well.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Yeah... such a liberal system that it allows so much poverty to take place. Blacks and anyone else as victims, and they are not illegals. Why focus on such a small percentage of the drain when the disparity in wealth distribution is so crass even in this country?

Self-interest is self-serving and is universal. It applies equally, but not fairly, to those doing the taking abroad but condeming the taking at home by those on the receiving end of the short end of the stick.

See? Isn't it easier just to stop messing with others overseas?

I'm not messing with anyone overseas. I'm against them coming here illegally and messin with me.

So, the the small percentage of poor minorites is inconsequential to the overall debate, in your view? Not if you're part of that small percentage, I imagine.

If self-interest is universal, why there so little of it among those upon whose backs the disparity of wealth is placed? Not a healthy situation and not one to be ignored.

Social sarcasm goes over your head, I see. Continue to see racism around every corner. I can't help you.

No, you can't help me because I don't require any help. I see racism plain as day, twist it any way you like.

You probably see dead people, too, mind reader.

Edited February 3, 2008 by Virtual wife

[Sofiyya 1,687]

The only lasting benefit is to those who grow rich by exploiting cheap labor and the greed of consumers. I'm not a taker there, and I am not willing to give any more for the benefit of those who exploit me.

Yet the receiving end of the exploitation is still empoverished and needs to make up for the exploitation. They will seek a better life where they can get it.

You may not be a taker, but someone representing you certainly is. And the benefits are following them home. Hence, those that need will follow them as well.

I don't lie down and say "oh, shucks, it just is what it is". I exercise my right to oppose it.

[natty bumppo 297]

Now, to stay on topic (if possible)... we should be referring to the reasons why these folks come here to get a piece of the pie. Too bad they can't just get it at home. Maybe we are too busy making pies for ourselves to keep in their ovens and not sharing.

It's not called sharing, it's TAKING. Huge difference.

True... we take at their expense. Is that what you mean? So they come here and take at ours. And that shows there is NO difference. So, I'll completely throw my support with the anti-illegal crowd as it currently stands IF, and ONLY if, we throw our support together to stop our abuse of foreigners in their countries.

We take, they take, everyone is happy and equal.

Or we could do things more civilized... we don't take, we share. Then when they come here [legally by consequence], they also share.

What *are* you talking about? Since when is the USA responsible for the world's problems?

not to label... but dude... you're talking LIKE a Republican now... (and no offense to the Republicans!!)

When I actually state we are responsible for the world's problems, I'll let you know.

And yes, only if you actually read what I've written thread after thread about unfair corporate (US companies) practices that we allow and even promote in countries that feed our nation with illegal immigration, then maybe, and *maybe* you'll actually understand what it is I'm talking about...

Looks like you just did ...

[HAL 9000 96]

Yeah... such a liberal system that it allows so much poverty to take place. Blacks and anyone else as victims, and they are not illegals. Why focus on such a small percentage of the drain when the disparity in wealth distribution is so crass even in this country?

Self-interest is self-serving and is universal. It applies equally, but not fairly, to those doing the taking abroad but condeming the taking at home by those on the receiving end of the short end of the stick.

See? Isn't it easier just to stop messing with others overseas?

I'm not messing with anyone overseas. I'm against them coming here illegally and messin with me.

So, the the small percentage of poor minorites is inconsequential to the overall debate, in our view? Not if you're part of that small percentage, I imagine.

If self-interest is universal, why so little of it among those upon whose backs the disparity of wealth is placed? Not a healthy situation and not one to be ignored.

Social sarcasm goes over your head, I see. Continue to see racism around every corner. I can't help you.

No, you can't help me because I don't require any help. I see racism plain as day, twist it any way you like.

You probably see dead people, too, mind reader.

Nice try to misrepresent (once again), but I'll let it slide for now.

My previous post to you should clarify your question. Lets philosophize it for a second: the mess with your tax money because their livelihood is messed with at home to someone's benefit that represent us here. Its called poetic justice in a way.

By the way, in a democracy we have a right to demand our government acts in the best interests of the population, not of special interests. Hence, when our elected officials allow our companies to play monopoly overseas that *surprise* leads to increased illegal immigration to our nation, then they are not acting in our best interests.

Poor and middle class together. Then again, the poor in this country have upwards mobility available to them/us. Right??????

[jundp 191]

VJ Sheesh.

Grab a beer and go watch the Super Bowl ads (I mean, Super Bowl). It's just another thread with the same people being condescending and then whining that someone else is being condescending.

Will we ever fix illegal immigration in this country? What country has fully conquered this problem (well, without resorting to machete attacks?) and can that be used as a model for our own problems?

Also, we may not have an obligation for the US to help the world with its problems, as Americans. But perhaps as a global citizens of a world that is infused with social injustice we have a moral obligation as PEOPLE to help as we see these injustices taking place....

[HAL 9000 96]

The only lasting benefit is to those who grow rich by exploiting cheap labor and the greed of consumers. I'm not a taker there, and I am not willing to give any more for the benefit of those who exploit me.

Yet the receiving end of the exploitation is still empoverished and needs to make up for the exploitation. They will seek a better life where they can get it.

You may not be a taker, but someone representing you certainly is. And the benefits are following them home. Hence, those that need will follow them as well.

I don't lie down and say "oh, shucks, it just is what it is". I exercise my right to oppose it.

Hopefully you do.

[HAL 9000 96]

Now, to stay on topic (if possible)... we should be referring to the reasons why these folks come here to get a piece of the pie. Too bad they can't just get it at home. Maybe we are too busy making pies for ourselves to keep in their ovens and not sharing.

It's not called sharing, it's TAKING. Huge difference.

True... we take at their expense. Is that what you mean? So they come here and take at ours. And that shows there is NO difference. So, I'll completely throw my support with the anti-illegal crowd as it currently stands IF, and ONLY if, we throw our support together to stop our abuse of foreigners in their countries.

We take, they take, everyone is happy and equal.

Or we could do things more civilized... we don't take, we share. Then when they come here [legally by consequence], they also share.

What *are* you talking about? Since when is the USA responsible for the world's problems?

not to label... but dude... you're talking LIKE a Republican now... (and no offense to the Republicans!!)

When I actually state we are responsible for the world's problems, I'll let you know.

And yes, only if you actually read what I've written thread after thread about unfair corporate (US companies) practices that we allow and even promote in countries that feed our nation with illegal immigration, then maybe, and *maybe* you'll actually understand what it is I'm talking about...

Looks like you just did ...

If there's something you'd like to add then go ahead. I think the point of the discussion is of the corporate abuse abroad leading to illegal immigration logic. Maybe you care to disagree of are you here to post the usual snideness?

[HAL 9000 96]

VJ Sheesh.

Grab a beer and go watch the Super Bowl ads (I mean, Super Bowl). It's just another thread with the same people being condescending and then whining that someone else is being condescending.

Will we ever fix illegal immigration in this country? What country has fully conquered this problem (well, without resorting to machete attacks?) and can that be used as a model for our own problems?

Also, we may not have an obligation for the US to help the world with its problems, as Americans. But perhaps as a global citizens of a world that is infused with social injustice we have a moral obligation as PEOPLE to help as we see these injustices taking place....

I prefer people made the civilized, human choice willingly. How very democratic!

[natty bumppo 297]

Now, to stay on topic (if possible)... we should be referring to the reasons why these folks come here to get a piece of the pie. Too bad they can't just get it at home. Maybe we are too busy making pies for ourselves to keep in their ovens and not sharing.

It's not called sharing, it's TAKING. Huge difference.

True... we take at their expense. Is that what you mean? So they come here and take at ours. And that shows there is NO difference. So, I'll completely throw my support with the anti-illegal crowd as it currently stands IF, and ONLY if, we throw our support together to stop our abuse of foreigners in their countries.

We take, they take, everyone is happy and equal.

Or we could do things more civilized... we don't take, we share. Then when they come here [legally by consequence], they also share.

What *are* you talking about? Since when is the USA responsible for the world's problems?

not to label... but dude... you're talking LIKE a Republican now... (and no offense to the Republicans!!)

When I actually state we are responsible for the world's problems, I'll let you know.

And yes, only if you actually read what I've written thread after thread about unfair corporate (US companies) practices that we allow and even promote in countries that feed our nation with illegal immigration, then maybe, and *maybe* you'll actually understand what it is I'm talking about...

Looks like you just did ...

If there's something you'd like to add then go ahead. I think the point of the discussion is of the corporate abuse abroad leading to illegal immigration logic. Maybe you care to disagree of are you here to post the usual snideness?

typical condescending attitude and remarks ... to use you own words from another thread ... have problems with vocabulary (or grammar) ?

[HAL 9000 96]

Hold on... her we go:

[bakofoil 27]

The most rational compassion toward illegals is to force them to make the change they need in their own countries, not to import their problems for us to deal with. If life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is a natural right, it transcends borders, and should be demanded of foreign governments, not just of ours. Make them be the change they want to see in their own countries, not ours, unless they come legally. That is the most compassionate thing to do for the most equitable result.

It's a bit naive to be blaming the illegals for leaving their own countries to seek better conditions when it is the US govt and financial infrastructure which facilitate illegal's successfully obtaining better conditions. No one here ever seems to slam the companies employing them or the govt for not enforcing employment laws. Who can blame illegal aliens for seeking a better life or taking advantage of a system which sustains them?