Hillary: Those who want to deport illegals are "living in some other universe"

[HAL 9000 96]

You know, a cause celb they can wear on their sleeve to attempt to make the rest of us feel guilty.

Some are working overtime to transfer their own guilt onto others.

Having a little humanity = being an illegal lover??

If that humanity you have doesn't extend to non-illegals who suffer from your compassion for law breakers, yes.

Quote where I support actually breaking the law and you'll get cause celebre to enjoy my full support. Now if you want to quote what I actually write then you may see something else, like... making the ballfield more equal. Oh, we don't care to interest ourselves with that? Yes? No? Who cares, right?

Well, I do and thank God people like me are many more than you may think. Feeble manipulation attempts only show one or both of the following: 1. lack of proper reading comprehension or 2. a purposeful distortion of the truth.

I don't know why trying to distort reality to further one's means is so special, other than just using our bandwidth here on VJ, but maybe the rush to conclude one's own point of view as the only true point of view is more important than actually being a sentient human being.

I don't support braking the law either. I support making the problems of illegals less of a tax payer burden and less of a burden on legals who have to compete with them. You care to interest yourself with that?

Absolutely!

Then again, reality is not as easily polarized as just that. We need to mitigate the reality that creates the condition of illegal immigration in the first place. And that, coincidentially, involves having humanity to those that under current circumstances, become our illegals in order to seek life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. But I think they can easily content themselves with just a little pursuit of happiness.

The most rational compassion toward illegals is to force them to make the change they need in their own countries, not to import their problems for us to deal with. If life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is a natural right, it transcends borders, and should be demanded of foreign governments, not just of ours. Make them be the change they want to see in their own countries, not ours, unless they come legally. That is the most compassionate thing to do for the most equitable result.

Change that we oppose indirectly (for us) and directly (for them) in their countries because it is contradictory to our profits and interests. Lets get on the same page here.

We demand transparency and democracy from foreign governments only when it appeases us. That is part of the fundamental problem.

[rebeccajo 14]

Like I said Charles, it's wrong to accuse someone of racism. Just Wrong. Conservative, Liberal - whatever you care to call yourself.

Yet, you insist on doing so.

When someone writes out an argument that contains 'hello white people' or 'I'm brown and exotic' - well then there's nothing left to accuse them off. The proof is in the pudding.

I am brown and exotic. You must be white since you seem to believe my post was addressed to you. The issues of illegal brown people, white guilt, and the advantages of American society in contrast to the areas illegals are running from are all valid issues that have been addressed repeatedly on immigration threads. I did nothing wrong by posting them as coming from a brown illegal they do seem to be a major concern of the illegal lovers here.

Maybe someone should post 'hello christians I'm a Muslim' and see if that plays on VJ.

I can do that, too. I'm also Muslim. Are you Christian? Wanna have a go at it, since you seem to believe I'm only addressing you when I post?

I am agnostic. I am white. I don't care if you are purple.

This simple fact remains - if you have to use brown/white as the flame-bait fire in a post to make your point, you diminish any credibility you may have in trying to reprimand those you believe use the race card against those who argue against illegal entry and amnesty.

Maybe you aren't really racist. Narrow minded, egotistical, and entitled because you have legal status, yes. But not

racist.

Enjoy your day.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

You know, a cause celb they can wear on their sleeve to attempt to make the rest of us feel guilty.

Some are working overtime to transfer their own guilt onto others.

Having a little humanity = being an illegal lover??

If that humanity you have doesn't extend to non-illegals who suffer from your compassion for law breakers, yes.

Quote where I support actually breaking the law and you'll get cause celebre to enjoy my full support. Now if you want to quote what I actually write then you may see something else, like... making the ballfield more equal. Oh, we don't care to interest ourselves with that? Yes? No? Who cares, right?

Well, I do and thank God people like me are many more than you may think. Feeble manipulation attempts only show one or both of the following: 1. lack of proper reading comprehension or 2. a purposeful distortion of the truth.

I don't know why trying to distort reality to further one's means is so special, other than just using our bandwidth here on VJ, but maybe the rush to conclude one's own point of view as the only true point of view is more important than actually being a sentient human being.

It's ones not one's, as in one is.......My post was directed to you but clearly you're a person that one could deem a liberal as you believe that it's your mission to be "humane" and to purport to protect, and represent the interests of people(s) that you believe are distressed and in need of your help.....

The trouble here is that they haven't asked for your help!

The problem is, they want to accomplish their mission with my tax money!

Just because GEG has middle eastern background really doesn't make it imposible for her to be racist. After all, we know that there is racism between blacks and latin americans probably because both groups often live in poverty stricken conditions. Her supposedly 'ironic' post was racist and offensive.

It's not impossible for you to be overly sensitive, either. You need to assume racism on my part for you to be offended. You could as easily assume I'm not racist, but that wouldn't serve your agenda.

I'm not pc, so you will be often offended by me. Get used to it.

[HAL 9000 96]

You know, a cause celb they can wear on their sleeve to attempt to make the rest of us feel guilty.

Some are working overtime to transfer their own guilt onto others.

Having a little humanity = being an illegal lover??

If that humanity you have doesn't extend to non-illegals who suffer from your compassion for law breakers, yes.

Quote where I support actually breaking the law and you'll get cause celebre to enjoy my full support. Now if you want to quote what I actually write then you may see something else, like... making the ballfield more equal. Oh, we don't care to interest ourselves with that? Yes? No? Who cares, right?

Well, I do and thank God people like me are many more than you may think. Feeble manipulation attempts only show one or both of the following: 1. lack of proper reading comprehension or 2. a purposeful distortion of the truth.

I don't know why trying to distort reality to further one's means is so special, other than just using our bandwidth here on VJ, but maybe the rush to conclude one's own point of view as the only true point of view is more important than actually being a sentient human being.

I don't support braking the law either. I support making the problems of illegals less of a tax payer burden and less of a burden on legals who have to compete with them. You care to interest yourself with that?

Absolutely!

Then again, reality is not as easily polarized as just that. We need to mitigate the reality that creates the condition of illegal immigration in the first place. And that, coincidentially, involves having humanity to those that under current circumstances, become our illegals in order to seek life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. But I think they can easily content themselves with just a little pursuit of happiness.

Yet you quote the US Constitution as applying to non-USCs, who are illegally here! That's rich.

LOL... did I SAY it APPLIES to illegals? Nope... and that IS rich.

become our illegals in order to seek life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

The privileges you claim they seek are for USCs - not LPRs, illegals or visa holders.

Clarified above. Writing couldn't be more clear.

Edited February 3, 2008 by maviwaro

[HAL 9000 96]

You know, a cause celb they can wear on their sleeve to attempt to make the rest of us feel guilty.

Some are working overtime to transfer their own guilt onto others.

Having a little humanity = being an illegal lover??

If that humanity you have doesn't extend to non-illegals who suffer from your compassion for law breakers, yes.

Quote where I support actually breaking the law and you'll get cause celebre to enjoy my full support. Now if you want to quote what I actually write then you may see something else, like... making the ballfield more equal. Oh, we don't care to interest ourselves with that? Yes? No? Who cares, right?

Well, I do and thank God people like me are many more than you may think. Feeble manipulation attempts only show one or both of the following: 1. lack of proper reading comprehension or 2. a purposeful distortion of the truth.

I don't know why trying to distort reality to further one's means is so special, other than just using our bandwidth here on VJ, but maybe the rush to conclude one's own point of view as the only true point of view is more important than actually being a sentient human being.

It's ones not one's, as in one is.......My post was directed to you but clearly you're a person that one could deem a liberal as you believe that it's your mission to be "humane" and to purport to protect, and represent the interests of people(s) that you believe are distressed and in need of your help.....

The trouble here is that they haven't asked for your help!

The problem is, they want to accomplish their mission with my tax money!

Just because GEG has middle eastern background really doesn't make it imposible for her to be racist. After all, we know that there is racism between blacks and latin americans probably because both groups often live in poverty stricken conditions. Her supposedly 'ironic' post was racist and offensive.

It's not impossible for you to be overly sensitive, either. You need to assume racism on my part for you to be offended. You could as easily assume I'm not racist, but that wouldn't serve your agenda.

I'm not pc, so you will be often offended by me. Get used to it.

And our multinationals accomplish their missions with their livelihoods. No opposition there from many of us, unfortunately. Out of sight, out of mind, sadly. Then again, that makes it completely logical for them to come here and get what they can't get at home.

Edited February 3, 2008 by maviwaro

[no name 1]

You know, a cause celb they can wear on their sleeve to attempt to make the rest of us feel guilty.

Some are working overtime to transfer their own guilt onto others.

Having a little humanity = being an illegal lover??

If that humanity you have doesn't extend to non-illegals who suffer from your compassion for law breakers, yes.

Quote where I support actually breaking the law and you'll get cause celebre to enjoy my full support. Now if you want to quote what I actually write then you may see something else, like... making the ballfield more equal. Oh, we don't care to interest ourselves with that? Yes? No? Who cares, right?

Well, I do and thank God people like me are many more than you may think. Feeble manipulation attempts only show one or both of the following: 1. lack of proper reading comprehension or 2. a purposeful distortion of the truth.

I don't know why trying to distort reality to further one's means is so special, other than just using our bandwidth here on VJ, but maybe the rush to conclude one's own point of view as the only true point of view is more important than actually being a sentient human being.

I don't support braking the law either. I support making the problems of illegals less of a tax payer burden and less of a burden on legals who have to compete with them. You care to interest yourself with that?

Absolutely!

Then again, reality is not as easily polarized as just that. We need to mitigate the reality that creates the condition of illegal immigration in the first place. And that, coincidentially, involves having humanity to those that under current circumstances, become our illegals in order to seek life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. But I think they can easily content themselves with just a little pursuit of happiness.

Yet you quote the US Constitution as applying to non-USCs, who are illegally here! That's rich.

LOL... did I SAY it APPLIES to illegals? Nope... and that IS rich.

become our illegals in order to seek life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

The privileges you claim they seek are for USCs - not LPRs, illegals or visa holders.

Clarified above.[/u] Writing couldn't be more clear.

Round & round we go.

That is an undeniable right FOR A USC. Not for illegals.

[no name 1]

You know, a cause celb they can wear on their sleeve to attempt to make the rest of us feel guilty.

Some are working overtime to transfer their own guilt onto others.

Having a little humanity = being an illegal lover??

If that humanity you have doesn't extend to non-illegals who suffer from your compassion for law breakers, yes.

Quote where I support actually breaking the law and you'll get cause celebre to enjoy my full support. Now if you want to quote what I actually write then you may see something else, like... making the ballfield more equal. Oh, we don't care to interest ourselves with that? Yes? No? Who cares, right?

Well, I do and thank God people like me are many more than you may think. Feeble manipulation attempts only show one or both of the following: 1. lack of proper reading comprehension or 2. a purposeful distortion of the truth.

I don't know why trying to distort reality to further one's means is so special, other than just using our bandwidth here on VJ, but maybe the rush to conclude one's own point of view as the only true point of view is more important than actually being a sentient human being.

It's ones not one's, as in one is.......My post was directed to you but clearly you're a person that one could deem a liberal as you believe that it's your mission to be "humane" and to purport to protect, and represent the interests of people(s) that you believe are distressed and in need of your help.....

The trouble here is that they haven't asked for your help!

The problem is, they want to accomplish their mission with my tax money!

Just because GEG has middle eastern background really doesn't make it imposible for her to be racist. After all, we know that there is racism between blacks and latin americans probably because both groups often live in poverty stricken conditions. Her supposedly 'ironic' post was racist and offensive.

It's not impossible for you to be overly sensitive, either. You need to assume racism on my part for you to be offended. You could as easily assume I'm not racist, but that wouldn't serve your agenda.

I'm not pc, so you will be often offended by me. Get used to it.

And our multinationals accomplish their missions with their livelihoods. No opposition there from many of us, unfortunately. Out of sight, out of mind, sadly. Then again, that makes it completely logical for them to come here and get what they can't get at home.

at the cost of US taxpayers!!! They steal from Americans cuz they can't get it at home. That makes sense to you?

Edited February 3, 2008 by devilette

[Peikko 1,575]

When you post an ironic statement that encompases all illegals, I'll believe that you don't 'play on' racism for your own ends. I have seen your other comments re latin americans deserving their commuppance for supporting amensty (ie in your world supporting 'illegal entry' is so evil, that anyone who supports an anemsty or indeed doesn't get all irate and passionate about illegal immigrants is necessarily themselves corrupt)

As for the other stuff, if you want to think you offend me, that's up to you. Some of your views are offensive and will be challenged, get used to that.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

All you have to do is read the xenophobia that abound here based on the actual, real numbers. I think maybe, for VJ purposes, we should just have a poll for people to anonymously express what they really think of illegals based on race, law, and money.

Also, we need to weed out those using race-laced language. And white guilt terminology is race-based.

Much of the terminology around illegal immigration is race-based, and white guilt is as much of a component of the debate as is racism. Both exist as elements of the conflict; how we assess who suffers from one or the other is the challenge.

Change that we oppose indirectly (for us) and directly (for them) in their countries because it is contradictory to our profits and interests. Lets get on the same page here.

We demand transparency and democracy from foreign governments only when it appeases us. That is part of the fundamental problem.

“We” have the power to change that dynamic. Don’t abdicate your responsibility to do so by transferring your priorities to enabling illegality.

I am agnostic. I am white. I don't care if you are purple.

This simple fact remains - if you have to use brown/white as the flame-bait fire in a post to make your point, you diminish any credibility you may have in trying to reprimand those you believe use the race card against those who argue against illegal entry and amnesty.

Maybe you aren't really racist. Narrow minded, egotistical, and entitled because you have legal status, yes. But not

racist.

Enjoy your day.

I diminished my credibility to you simply by disagreeing with you, and I did that long ago. The effect was reciprocal.

Good day!

[PlatyPius 5]

Also, we need to weed out those using race-laced language. And white guilt terminology is race-based.

It may be race-based, but it isn't racist.

What you are proposing is that no one can mention race for any reason. I can't say that I'm white. I can't mention that Obama is black. Wouldn't want to offend anyone! Whatever.

"White Guilt" is a real and documented condition. It exists. Get over it. Bringing it up is not "racist".

[HAL 9000 96]

You know, a cause celb they can wear on their sleeve to attempt to make the rest of us feel guilty.

Some are working overtime to transfer their own guilt onto others.

Having a little humanity = being an illegal lover??

If that humanity you have doesn't extend to non-illegals who suffer from your compassion for law breakers, yes.

Quote where I support actually breaking the law and you'll get cause celebre to enjoy my full support. Now if you want to quote what I actually write then you may see something else, like... making the ballfield more equal. Oh, we don't care to interest ourselves with that? Yes? No? Who cares, right?

Well, I do and thank God people like me are many more than you may think. Feeble manipulation attempts only show one or both of the following: 1. lack of proper reading comprehension or 2. a purposeful distortion of the truth.

I don't know why trying to distort reality to further one's means is so special, other than just using our bandwidth here on VJ, but maybe the rush to conclude one's own point of view as the only true point of view is more important than actually being a sentient human being.

I don't support braking the law either. I support making the problems of illegals less of a tax payer burden and less of a burden on legals who have to compete with them. You care to interest yourself with that?

Absolutely!

Then again, reality is not as easily polarized as just that. We need to mitigate the reality that creates the condition of illegal immigration in the first place. And that, coincidentially, involves having humanity to those that under current circumstances, become our illegals in order to seek life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. But I think they can easily content themselves with just a little pursuit of happiness.

Yet you quote the US Constitution as applying to non-USCs, who are illegally here! That's rich.

LOL... did I SAY it APPLIES to illegals? Nope... and that IS rich.

become our illegals in order to seek life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

The privileges you claim they seek are for USCs - not LPRs, illegals or visa holders.

Clarified above.[/u] Writing couldn't be more clear.

Round & round we go.

That is an undeniable right FOR A USC. Not for illegals.

I thought the wording disagrees with you... according to the founding fathers... you are dead wrong with your semantics. If you want to argue meaning and interpretation please open up another thread ignoring what they considered to be the unalienable rights of man.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Now, to stay on topic (if possible)... we should be referring to the reasons why these folks come here to get a piece of the pie. Too bad they can't just get it at home. Maybe we are too busy making pies for ourselves to keep in their ovens and not sharing.

[kaydee457 13]

I second VW for president!

Too many here want to twist this issue into a racist argument when it's clearly not. It's a matter of how my tax dollars are spent, and on whom....

Now, given the majority of illegals are indeed Hispanic their nationality is an integral part of this discussion. It's not racist to mention that fact.

Does the fact that these people are "undocmented" and therefore are illegal residents sapping our social services and systems not worry anyone here?

To give them a "path to citizenship" is simply insane, not Humane...We tried humane treatment the last time we granted amnesty and here we are now!

Super Bowl time....talk amongst yourselves- NICELY PEEPS

[Sofiyya 1,687]

When you post an ironic statement that encompases all illegals, I'll believe that you don't 'play on' racism for your own ends. I have seen your other comments re latin americans deserving their commuppance for supporting amensty (ie in your world supporting 'illegal entry' is so evil, that anyone who supports an anemsty or indeed doesn't get all irate and passionate about illegal immigrants is necessarily themselves corrupt)

As for the other stuff, if you want to think you offend me, that's up to you. Some of your views are offensive and will be challenged, get used to that.

It's clear to me that your contribution to this issue is to be easily offended and use that as a weapon against your opposition. You do that well, but I find it to be no challenge at all.

[HAL 9000 96]

You know, a cause celb they can wear on their sleeve to attempt to make the rest of us feel guilty.

Some are working overtime to transfer their own guilt onto others.

Having a little humanity = being an illegal lover??

If that humanity you have doesn't extend to non-illegals who suffer from your compassion for law breakers, yes.

Quote where I support actually breaking the law and you'll get cause celebre to enjoy my full support. Now if you want to quote what I actually write then you may see something else, like... making the ballfield more equal. Oh, we don't care to interest ourselves with that? Yes? No? Who cares, right?

Well, I do and thank God people like me are many more than you may think. Feeble manipulation attempts only show one or both of the following: 1. lack of proper reading comprehension or 2. a purposeful distortion of the truth.

I don't know why trying to distort reality to further one's means is so special, other than just using our bandwidth here on VJ, but maybe the rush to conclude one's own point of view as the only true point of view is more important than actually being a sentient human being.

It's ones not one's, as in one is.......My post was directed to you but clearly you're a person that one could deem a liberal as you believe that it's your mission to be "humane" and to purport to protect, and represent the interests of people(s) that you believe are distressed and in need of your help.....

The trouble here is that they haven't asked for your help!

The problem is, they want to accomplish their mission with my tax money!

Just because GEG has middle eastern background really doesn't make it imposible for her to be racist. After all, we know that there is racism between blacks and latin americans probably because both groups often live in poverty stricken conditions. Her supposedly 'ironic' post was racist and offensive.

It's not impossible for you to be overly sensitive, either. You need to assume racism on my part for you to be offended. You could as easily assume I'm not racist, but that wouldn't serve your agenda.

I'm not pc, so you will be often offended by me. Get used to it.

And our multinationals accomplish their missions with their livelihoods. No opposition there from many of us, unfortunately. Out of sight, out of mind, sadly. Then again, that makes it completely logical for them to come here and get what they can't get at home.

at the cost of US taxpayers!!! They steal from Americans cuz they can't get it at home. That makes sense to you?

The logic and writing on the wall argues it benefits us (our companies) to not really help them at home.

[Peikko 1,575]

As for the old 'my tax dollars' argument. That is just so lame. If you choose to live in society you will have your taxes spent for you by the goverment. Some on things you approve of, some on things you don't no matter which party is in office. Tax is a necessary evil if you view it that way. Personally, I don't get all fired up about taxes. They are what they are.