Hillary: Those who want to deport illegals are "living in some other universe"

[PlatyPius 5]

I'm not seeing the racism here. Anywhere.

VirtualWife apparently IS brown, so I doubt she's racist against brown people. I haven't seen her make any racist statements against white people, either, so.....

And, as a general statement, may I just point out that "illegal" is not a race? It seems to be confusing some people...

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[HAL 9000 96]

I'm not seeing the racism here. Anywhere.

VirtualWife apparently IS brown, so I doubt she's racist against brown people. I haven't seen her make any racist statements against white people, either, so.....

And, as a general statement, may I just point out that "illegal" is not a race? It seems to be confusing some people...

Well, some folks just love blanket statements and go with the obvious majority of the illegal population. And of course, they also bring up the whole white guilt" can of worms that in the long run exposes the inequalities of this world and hurts their logic when all things are considered.

[natty bumppo 297]

I'm not seeing the racism here. Anywhere.

VirtualWife apparently IS brown, so I doubt she's racist against brown people. I haven't seen her make any racist statements against white people, either, so.....

And, as a general statement, may I just point out that "illegal" is not a race? It seems to be confusing some people...

good point ...

[Sofiyya 1,687]

You know, a cause celb they can wear on their sleeve to attempt to make the rest of us feel guilty.

Some are working overtime to transfer their own guilt onto others.

Having a little humanity = being an illegal lover??

If that humanity you have doesn't extend to non-illegals who suffer from your compassion for law breakers, yes.

Quote where I support actually breaking the law and you'll get cause celebre to enjoy my full support. Now if you want to quote what I actually write then you may see something else, like... making the ballfield more equal. Oh, we don't care to interest ourselves with that? Yes? No? Who cares, right?

Well, I do and thank God people like me are many more than you may think. Feeble manipulation attempts only show one or both of the following: 1. lack of proper reading comprehension or 2. a purposeful distortion of the truth.

I don't know why trying to distort reality to further one's means is so special, other than just using our bandwidth here on VJ, but maybe the rush to conclude one's own point of view as the only true point of view is more important than actually being a sentient human being.

I don't support breaking the law either. I support making the problems of illegals less of a tax payer burden and less of a burden on legals who have to compete with them. You care to interest yourself with that?

Edited February 3, 2008 by Virtual wife

[no name 1]

I don't know why trying to distort reality to further one's means is so special, other than just using our bandwidth here on VJ, but maybe the rush to conclude one's own point of view as the only true point of view is more important than actually being a sentient human being.

I have never seen crowds of day labourers. Does not seeing these things make me niave? I guess if that's so, then I am.

Same crowds that are clogging up ERs...

Somehow most of us with a bit of common sense are not seeing these crowds.

Try to go through the day with your eyes open. It helps tremendously.

Dunno, like I told our sailor friend, the adult ER is right in front of my window (the building across the street) and the kids' ER is kitty corner around my building at work. No cloggin from ilegales if you know what I mean

They go inside, you know, for the 'free' healthcare...they aren't congregating on the streets coughing/with a headache/at best, bleeding. Sheesh.

Windows and doors exist and waiting rooms are clearly visible from the halls of the hospital. Maybe the illegal clog is in another room... I'll check tomorrow and get back to you...

Plus, my lab is physically connected to the hospital. Same hallways, so maybe I actually know what I'm saying.

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And its hard to not look. The winter views are sometimes georgeous. And the ER also happens to be in between the entry and exit on a daily basis. Make a livelihood in a Medical complex and you'll know what I mean. We can also check around farming communities for all those extra ilegales clogging up the ERs too... oh... I did mention somewhere my sis is an actual MD working that crowd and nope... no clogs there either.

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And the 24/7 observation from yours truly you so disrespectfully quote up there. If you want to use deductive logic to point out others' words, try equally applying it at home. I at least try to stay factual based on what I see.

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You know, a cause celb they can wear on their sleeve to attempt to make the rest of us feel guilty.

Some are working overtime to transfer their own guilt onto others.

Having a little humanity = being an illegal lover??

If that humanity you have doesn't extend to non-illegals who suffer from your compassion for law breakers, yes.

Quote where I support actually breaking the law and you'll get cause celebre to enjoy my full support. Now if you want to quote what I actually write then you may see something else, like... making the ballfield more equal. Oh, we don't care to interest ourselves with that? Yes? No? Who cares, right?

Well, I do and thank God people like me are many more than you may think. Feeble manipulation attempts only show one or both of the following: 1. lack of proper reading comprehension or 2. a purposeful distortion of the truth.

I don't know why trying to distort reality to further one's means is so special, other than just using our bandwidth here on VJ, but maybe the rush to conclude one's own point of view as the only true point of view is more important than actually being a sentient human being.

I don't support braking the law either. I support making the problems of illegals less of a tax payer burden and less of a burden on legals who have to compete with them. You care to interest yourself with that?

Absolutely!

Then again, reality is not as easily polarized as just that. We need to mitigate the reality that creates the condition of illegal immigration in the first place. And that, coincidentially, involves having humanity to those that under current circumstances, become our illegals in order to seek life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. But I think they can easily content themselves with just a little pursuit of happiness.

[no name 1]

You know, a cause celb they can wear on their sleeve to attempt to make the rest of us feel guilty.

Some are working overtime to transfer their own guilt onto others.

Having a little humanity = being an illegal lover??

If that humanity you have doesn't extend to non-illegals who suffer from your compassion for law breakers, yes.

Quote where I support actually breaking the law and you'll get cause celebre to enjoy my full support. Now if you want to quote what I actually write then you may see something else, like... making the ballfield more equal. Oh, we don't care to interest ourselves with that? Yes? No? Who cares, right?

Well, I do and thank God people like me are many more than you may think. Feeble manipulation attempts only show one or both of the following: 1. lack of proper reading comprehension or 2. a purposeful distortion of the truth.

I don't know why trying to distort reality to further one's means is so special, other than just using our bandwidth here on VJ, but maybe the rush to conclude one's own point of view as the only true point of view is more important than actually being a sentient human being.

I don't support braking the law either. I support making the problems of illegals less of a tax payer burden and less of a burden on legals who have to compete with them. You care to interest yourself with that?

Absolutely!

Then again, reality is not as easily polarized as just that. We need to mitigate the reality that creates the condition of illegal immigration in the first place. And that, coincidentially, involves having humanity to those that under current circumstances, become our illegals in order to seek life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. But I think they can easily content themselves with just a little pursuit of happiness.

Yet you quote the US Constitution as applying to non-USCs, who are illegally here! That's rich.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I'm not seeing the racism here. Anywhere.

VirtualWife apparently IS brown, so I doubt she's racist against brown people. I haven't seen her make any racist statements against white people, either, so.....

And, as a general statement, may I just point out that "illegal" is not a race? It seems to be confusing some people...

Well, some folks just love blanket statements and go with the obvious majority of the illegal population. And of course, they also bring up the whole white guilt" can of worms that in the long run exposes the inequalities of this world and hurts their logic when all things are considered.

Logic is logic and it isn't hurt by exposing white guilt. Sorry, but if you haven't noticed, illegals are more often than not represented as non-white and, thus, anti-illegals as racist and xenophobic. That is where the illogic lies. I have been one that pointed out long ago that illegal is not a race, and it is insulting to me as a non-white to have enabling illegality presented as compassion and opposing illegality presented as racist. The only way that can happen is that the ones labeling their opposition as racists are thinking of illegals as a race.

[kaydee457 13]

You know, a cause celb they can wear on their sleeve to attempt to make the rest of us feel guilty.

Some are working overtime to transfer their own guilt onto others.

Having a little humanity = being an illegal lover??

If that humanity you have doesn't extend to non-illegals who suffer from your compassion for law breakers, yes.

Quote where I support actually breaking the law and you'll get cause celebre to enjoy my full support. Now if you want to quote what I actually write then you may see something else, like... making the ballfield more equal. Oh, we don't care to interest ourselves with that? Yes? No? Who cares, right?

Well, I do and thank God people like me are many more than you may think. Feeble manipulation attempts only show one or both of the following: 1. lack of proper reading comprehension or 2. a purposeful distortion of the truth.

I don't know why trying to distort reality to further one's means is so special, other than just using our bandwidth here on VJ, but maybe the rush to conclude one's own point of view as the only true point of view is more important than actually being a sentient human being.

It's ones not one's, as in one is.......My post was directed to you but clearly you're a person that one could deem a liberal as you believe that it's your mission to be "humane" and to purport to protect, and represent the interests of people(s) that you believe are distressed and in need of your help.....

The trouble here is that they haven't asked for your help!

[Peikko 1,575]

Just because GEG has middle eastern background really doesn't make it imposible for her to be racist. After all, we know that there is racism between blacks and latin americans probably because both groups often live in poverty stricken conditions. Her supposedly 'ironic' post was racist and offensive.

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You know, a cause celb they can wear on their sleeve to attempt to make the rest of us feel guilty.

Some are working overtime to transfer their own guilt onto others.

Having a little humanity = being an illegal lover??

If that humanity you have doesn't extend to non-illegals who suffer from your compassion for law breakers, yes.

Quote where I support actually breaking the law and you'll get cause celebre to enjoy my full support. Now if you want to quote what I actually write then you may see something else, like... making the ballfield more equal. Oh, we don't care to interest ourselves with that? Yes? No? Who cares, right?

Well, I do and thank God people like me are many more than you may think. Feeble manipulation attempts only show one or both of the following: 1. lack of proper reading comprehension or 2. a purposeful distortion of the truth.

I don't know why trying to distort reality to further one's means is so special, other than just using our bandwidth here on VJ, but maybe the rush to conclude one's own point of view as the only true point of view is more important than actually being a sentient human being.

I don't support braking the law either. I support making the problems of illegals less of a tax payer burden and less of a burden on legals who have to compete with them. You care to interest yourself with that?

Absolutely!

Then again, reality is not as easily polarized as just that. We need to mitigate the reality that creates the condition of illegal immigration in the first place. And that, coincidentially, involves having humanity to those that under current circumstances, become our illegals in order to seek life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. But I think they can easily content themselves with just a little pursuit of happiness.

Yet you quote the US Constitution as applying to non-USCs, who are illegally here! That's rich.

LOL... did I SAY it APPLIES to illegals? Nope... and that IS rich.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

You know, a cause celb they can wear on their sleeve to attempt to make the rest of us feel guilty.

Some are working overtime to transfer their own guilt onto others.

Having a little humanity = being an illegal lover??

If that humanity you have doesn't extend to non-illegals who suffer from your compassion for law breakers, yes.

Quote where I support actually breaking the law and you'll get cause celebre to enjoy my full support. Now if you want to quote what I actually write then you may see something else, like... making the ballfield more equal. Oh, we don't care to interest ourselves with that? Yes? No? Who cares, right?

Well, I do and thank God people like me are many more than you may think. Feeble manipulation attempts only show one or both of the following: 1. lack of proper reading comprehension or 2. a purposeful distortion of the truth.

I don't know why trying to distort reality to further one's means is so special, other than just using our bandwidth here on VJ, but maybe the rush to conclude one's own point of view as the only true point of view is more important than actually being a sentient human being.

I don't support braking the law either. I support making the problems of illegals less of a tax payer burden and less of a burden on legals who have to compete with them. You care to interest yourself with that?

Absolutely!

Then again, reality is not as easily polarized as just that. We need to mitigate the reality that creates the condition of illegal immigration in the first place. And that, coincidentially, involves having humanity to those that under current circumstances, become our illegals in order to seek life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. But I think they can easily content themselves with just a little pursuit of happiness.

The most rational compassion toward illegals is to force them to make the change they need in their own countries, not to import their problems for us to deal with. If life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is a natural right, it transcends borders, and should be demanded of foreign governments, not just of ours. Make them be the change they want to see in their own countries, not ours, unless they come legally. That is the most compassionate thing to do for the most equitable result.

Edited February 3, 2008 by Virtual wife

[no name 1]

You know, a cause celb they can wear on their sleeve to attempt to make the rest of us feel guilty.

Some are working overtime to transfer their own guilt onto others.

Having a little humanity = being an illegal lover??

If that humanity you have doesn't extend to non-illegals who suffer from your compassion for law breakers, yes.

Quote where I support actually breaking the law and you'll get cause celebre to enjoy my full support. Now if you want to quote what I actually write then you may see something else, like... making the ballfield more equal. Oh, we don't care to interest ourselves with that? Yes? No? Who cares, right?

Well, I do and thank God people like me are many more than you may think. Feeble manipulation attempts only show one or both of the following: 1. lack of proper reading comprehension or 2. a purposeful distortion of the truth.

I don't know why trying to distort reality to further one's means is so special, other than just using our bandwidth here on VJ, but maybe the rush to conclude one's own point of view as the only true point of view is more important than actually being a sentient human being.

I don't support braking the law either. I support making the problems of illegals less of a tax payer burden and less of a burden on legals who have to compete with them. You care to interest yourself with that?

Absolutely!

Then again, reality is not as easily polarized as just that. We need to mitigate the reality that creates the condition of illegal immigration in the first place. And that, coincidentially, involves having humanity to those that under current circumstances, become our illegals in order to seek life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. But I think they can easily content themselves with just a little pursuit of happiness.

Yet you quote the US Constitution as applying to non-USCs, who are illegally here! That's rich.

LOL... did I SAY it APPLIES to illegals? Nope... and that IS rich.

become our illegals in order to seek life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

The privileges you claim they seek are for USCs - not LPRs, illegals or visa holders.

Edited February 3, 2008 by devilette

[HAL 9000 96]

I'm not seeing the racism here. Anywhere.

VirtualWife apparently IS brown, so I doubt she's racist against brown people. I haven't seen her make any racist statements against white people, either, so.....

And, as a general statement, may I just point out that "illegal" is not a race? It seems to be confusing some people...

Well, some folks just love blanket statements and go with the obvious majority of the illegal population. And of course, they also bring up the whole white guilt" can of worms that in the long run exposes the inequalities of this world and hurts their logic when all things are considered.

Logic is logic and it isn't hurt by exposing white guilt. Sorry, but if you haven't noticed, illegals are more often than not represented as non-white and, thus, anti-illegals as racist and xenophobic. That is where the illogic lies. I have been one that pointed out long ago that illegal is not a race, and it is insulting to me as a non-white to have enabling illegality presented as compassion and opposing illegality presented as racist. The only way that can happen is that the ones labeling their opposition as racists are thinking of illegals as a race.

All you have to do is read the xenophobia that abound here based on the actual, real numbers. I think maybe, for VJ purposes, we should just have a poll for people to anonymously express what they really think of illegals based on race, law, and money.

Also, we need to weed out those using race-laced language. And white guilt terminology is race-based.