Hillary: Those who want to deport illegals are "living in some other universe"

[HAL 9000 96]

I have never seen crowds of day labourers. Does not seeing these things make me niave? I guess if that's so, then I am.

Same crowds that are clogging up ERs...

Somehow most of us with a bit of common sense are not seeing these crowds.

Try to go through the day with your eyes open. It helps tremendously.

Dunno, like I told our sailor friend, the adult ER is right in front of my window (the building across the street) and the kids' ER is kitty corner around my building at work. No cloggin from ilegales if you know what I mean

They go inside, you know, for the 'free' healthcare...they aren't congregating on the streets coughing/with a headache/at best, bleeding. Sheesh.

Windows and doors exist and waiting rooms are clearly visible from the halls of the hospital. Maybe the illegal clog is in another room... I'll check tomorrow and get back to you...

Plus, my lab is physically connected to the hospital. Same hallways, so maybe I actually know what I'm saying.

Wow, so you watch those windows 24/7? What a life!

Visit an LA-area hospital, maybe I actually know what I'm saying.

been there, done that, Dev.

And its hard to not look. The winter views are sometimes georgeous. And the ER also happens to be in between the entry and exit on a daily basis. Make a livelihood in a Medical complex and you'll know what I mean. We can also check around farming communities for all those extra ilegales clogging up the ERs too... oh... I did mention somewhere my sis is an actual MD working that crowd and nope... no clogs there either.

Maviwaro -- I don't think we should deport all the illegal immigrants living here, but that doesn't mean I think we should ignore the fact that they have in some parts of the country become a burden on the health and public school systems. It's a complicated situation, and ignoring all the messy details isn't going to help.

I'm sure they have. Its unfortunate we are allowing ourselves to make blanket statements based on what we want to see happen. I actually believe there should not be a need for illegal immigration but that's just my plain old human point of view.

Better to pull a weed out by its root.

[rebeccajo 14]

White guilt is an undeniable component of this debate. If it was not there, anti-illegals be not accused of racism, as if standing up for yourself and your country's ability to determine who is legal and who isn't automatically makes one a racist. Creating such manipulations does nothing less than make some feel compassionate when defending illegality on the basis of race.

OMG, I'm going to bust myself laughing at you!

Of course it's wrong to accuse 'anti-illegals' of racism.

Until they type it out for everybody to see!

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I have never seen crowds of day labourers. Does not seeing these things make me niave? I guess if that's so, then I am.

Same crowds that are clogging up ERs...

Somehow most of us with a bit of common sense are not seeing these crowds.

Try to go through the day with your eyes open. It helps tremendously.

Dunno, like I told our sailor friend, the adult ER is right in front of my window (the building across the street) and the kids' ER is kitty corner around my building at work. No cloggin from ilegales if you know what I mean

They go inside, you know, for the 'free' healthcare...they aren't congregating on the streets coughing/with a headache/at best, bleeding. Sheesh.

One thing that amazes me is the total disconnect that illegal lovers have between asserting that people come hee illegally to work and make a better life, and the indisputable fact that their underground presense requires further impact on our society beyond simply working. Their unchallenged presense has lead them to demand and receive health care, education, and other accomodations that require tax payer dollars to supply. They can get what Americans have to pay for and there is no way their use of fake and stolen social security numbers adequately compensates law abiding taxpayers for what we are expected to sacrifice.

I believe in positive change, and if a few countries, including the US, need folks to stand up inorder to be convinced that they must provide equity to the citizens of those countries that are abusing their people for the expediancy of a few privileged folks, it's time for it to happen.

[no name 1]

White guilt is an undeniable component of this debate. If it was not there, anti-illegals be not accused of racism, as if standing up for yourself and your country's ability to determine who is legal and who isn't automatically makes one a racist. Creating such manipulations does nothing less than make some feel compassionate when defending illegality on the basis of race.

OMG, I'm going to bust myself laughing at you!

Of course it's wrong to accuse 'anti-illegals' of racism.

Until they type it out for everybody to see!

Not wanting more illegals= racism?

What a leap.

I have never seen crowds of day labourers. Does not seeing these things make me niave? I guess if that's so, then I am.

Same crowds that are clogging up ERs...

Somehow most of us with a bit of common sense are not seeing these crowds.

Try to go through the day with your eyes open. It helps tremendously.

Dunno, like I told our sailor friend, the adult ER is right in front of my window (the building across the street) and the kids' ER is kitty corner around my building at work. No cloggin from ilegales if you know what I mean

They go inside, you know, for the 'free' healthcare...they aren't congregating on the streets coughing/with a headache/at best, bleeding. Sheesh.

Windows and doors exist and waiting rooms are clearly visible from the halls of the hospital. Maybe the illegal clog is in another room... I'll check tomorrow and get back to you...

Plus, my lab is physically connected to the hospital. Same hallways, so maybe I actually know what I'm saying.

Wow, so you watch those windows 24/7? What a life!

Visit an LA-area hospital, maybe I actually know what I'm saying.

been there, done that, Dev.

And its hard to not look. The winter views are sometimes georgeous. And the ER also happens to be in between the entry and exit on a daily basis. Make a livelihood in a Medical complex and you'll know what I mean. We can also check around farming communities for all those extra ilegales clogging up the ERs too... oh... I did mention somewhere my sis is an actual MD working that crowd and nope... no clogs there either.

So all these articles disputing that mean nothing because you know ONE doctor.

[rebeccajo 14]

White guilt is an undeniable component of this debate. If it was not there, anti-illegals be not accused of racism, as if standing up for yourself and your country's ability to determine who is legal and who isn't automatically makes one a racist. Creating such manipulations does nothing less than make some feel compassionate when defending illegality on the basis of race.

OMG, I'm going to bust myself laughing at you!

Of course it's wrong to accuse 'anti-illegals' of racism.

Until they type it out for everybody to see!

Not wanting more illegals= racism?

What a leap.

Yeah. I leapt when I read. See. Spot. Run.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Unfortunately, part of the anti-illegal sentiment is as easy to label as racist as part of the conservative crowd finds it light comedy to label liberal opoints of views that actually take into consideration the human factor involved in all our debates that seem to be more cyclical than a circle.

I wish the human factor involved compassion for Americans and legal immigrants who are adversely affected by sentiment for illegals. You're right about it being easy to label standing up for the rights for Americans and lprs who come in all colors and from all parts of the globe as racist; but as the easy way is the liberal way, labels abound.

[no name 1]

White guilt is an undeniable component of this debate. If it was not there, anti-illegals be not accused of racism, as if standing up for yourself and your country's ability to determine who is legal and who isn't automatically makes one a racist. Creating such manipulations does nothing less than make some feel compassionate when defending illegality on the basis of race.

OMG, I'm going to bust myself laughing at you!

Of course it's wrong to accuse 'anti-illegals' of racism.

Until they type it out for everybody to see!

Not wanting more illegals= racism?

What a leap.

Yeah. I leapt when I read. See. Spot. Run.

What are you talking about?

[HAL 9000 96]

Wow, so you watch those windows 24/7? What a life!

Visit an LA-area hospital, maybe I actually know what I'm saying.

So all these articles disputing that mean nothing because you know ONE doctor.

And the 24/7 observation from yours truly you so disrespectfully quote up there. If you want to use deductive logic to point out others' words, try equally applying it at home. I at least try to stay factual based on what I see.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

White guilt is an undeniable component of this debate. If it was not there, anti-illegals be not accused of racism, as if standing up for yourself and your country's ability to determine who is legal and who isn't automatically makes one a racist. Creating such manipulations does nothing less than make some feel compassionate when defending illegality on the basis of race.

OMG, I'm going to bust myself laughing at you!

Of course it's wrong to accuse 'anti-illegals' of racism.

Until they type it out for everybody to see!

Not wanting more illegals= racism?

What a leap.

Yeah. I leapt when I read. See. Spot. Run.

Perhaps, instead of leaping, you should comprehend what you read. Then you may be less tempted to spout useless accusations that make you seem shallow and grasping at straws. You may disgree with me, fine, but nothing I have said is racist.

[kaydee457 13]

Creating such manipulations does nothing less than make some feel compassionate when defending illegality on the basis of race.

OMG, I'm going to bust myself laughing at you!

Of course it's wrong to accuse 'anti-illegals' of racism.

Until they type it out for everybody to see!

Hmm, I think there's a vaild point here.....Liberals oftentimes latch onto causes such as this as it simply reinforces their belief that they are somehow more compassionate than others. (It's that lofty, snooty behavior I write about often)

You know, a cause celb they can wear on their sleeve to attempt to make the rest of us feel guilty.

Edited February 3, 2008 by kaydee457

[HAL 9000 96]

Having a little humanity = being an illegal lover??

Wow... that says a lot, mind you. We should pause and think about what we label before blabbing on.

Anyone have any ducks to post???

[Sofiyya 1,687]

You know, a cause celb they can wear on their sleeve to attempt to make the rest of us feel guilty.

Some are working overtime to transfer their own guilt onto others.

Having a little humanity = being an illegal lover??

If that humanity you have doesn't extend to non-illegals who suffer from your compassion for law breakers, yes.

[rebeccajo 14]

Creating such manipulations does nothing less than make some feel compassionate when defending illegality on the basis of race.

OMG, I'm going to bust myself laughing at you!

Of course it's wrong to accuse 'anti-illegals' of racism.

Until they type it out for everybody to see!

Hmm, I think there's a vaild point here.....Liberals oftentimes latch onto causes such as this as it simply reinforces their belief that they are somehow more compassionate than others. (It's that lofty, snooty behavior I write about often)

You know, a cause celb they can wear on their sleeve to attempt to make the rest of us feel guilty.

Like I said Charles, it's wrong to accuse someone of racism. Just Wrong. Conservative, Liberal - whatever you care to call yourself.

When someone writes out an argument that contains 'hello white people' or 'I'm brown and exotic' - well then there's nothing left to accuse them off. The proof is in the pudding.

Maybe someone should post 'hello christians I'm a Muslim' and see if that plays on VJ.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Like I said Charles, it's wrong to accuse someone of racism. Just Wrong. Conservative, Liberal - whatever you care to call yourself.

Yet, you insist on doing so.

When someone writes out an argument that contains 'hello white people' or 'I'm brown and exotic' - well then there's nothing left to accuse them off. The proof is in the pudding.

I am brown and exotic. You must be white since you seem to believe my post was addressed to you. The issues of illegal brown people, white guilt, and the advantages of American society in contrast to the areas illegals are running from are all valid issues that have been addressed repeatedly on immigration threads. I did nothing wrong by posting them as coming from a brown illegal they do seem to be a major concern of the illegal lovers here.

Maybe someone should post 'hello christians I'm a Muslim' and see if that plays on VJ.

I can do that, too. I'm also Muslim. Are you Christian? Wanna have a go at it, since you seem to believe I'm only addressing you when I post?

Edited February 3, 2008 by Virtual wife

[HAL 9000 96]

You know, a cause celb they can wear on their sleeve to attempt to make the rest of us feel guilty.

Some are working overtime to transfer their own guilt onto others.

Having a little humanity = being an illegal lover??

If that humanity you have doesn't extend to non-illegals who suffer from your compassion for law breakers, yes.

Quote where I support actually breaking the law and you'll get cause celebre to enjoy my full support. Now if you want to quote what I actually write then you may see something else, like... making the ballfield more equal. Oh, we don't care to interest ourselves with that? Yes? No? Who cares, right?

Well, I do and thank God people like me are many more than you may think. Feeble manipulation attempts only show one or both of the following: 1. lack of proper reading comprehension or 2. a purposeful distortion of the truth.

I don't know why trying to distort reality to further one's means is so special, other than just using our bandwidth here on VJ, but maybe the rush to conclude one's own point of view as the only true point of view is more important than actually being a sentient human being.