Hillary: Those who want to deport illegals are "living in some other universe"

[rebeccajo 14]

There is nothing 'hormonal' about what I type. Anymore than what you type is more likely 'common sense'.

You don't have to like that portion of the 14th Amendment but it's there. I don't 'propose' anything when it comes to the Amendment. Let it stand. Your arguments would have readers believe that the intent of that section of amendment was not to enable illegal behavior. I contend the amendment was put in place to offer the great opportunity that America holds to an innocent child born within its boundaries. There are other laws already in place to deal with illegal work, illegal use of public benefits or any of the other 'jewels in the crown' you claim illegals cross the border to get. The job of our legislators should now be to give those laws teeth without jaggedly slaughtering the constitution. As for the fact that other nations do not grant birthright citizenship, so what? What about our Constitution or any part of the framework of this nation fits the pattern of how 'things have always been done' around the globe?

White guilt? What kind of weird analysis of posters to this community is that? I can't even relate to white guilt - nobody here is actually old enough to remember slavery. I have lived through the civil rights movement but I don't feel 'white' guilt for what happened. I feel disgust at a system that tried to justify supremecy under the law based upon race. That's a very different emotion.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Correction:

No way you cannot convince me that the irrational empathy toward what is often called "brown people" is NOT a symptom of white guilt and there is nothing racist about countering with that observation.

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As for the fact that other nations do not grant birthright citizenship, so what? What about our Constitution or any part of the framework of this nation fits the pattern of how 'things have always been done' around the globe?

[HAL 9000 96]

I have never seen crowds of day labourers. Does not seeing these things make me niave? I guess if that's so, then I am.

Same crowds that are clogging up ERs...

Somehow most of us with a bit of common sense are not seeing these crowds.

Try to go through the day with your eyes open. It helps tremendously.

Dunno, like I told our sailor friend, the adult ER is right in front of my window (the building across the street) and the kids' ER is kitty corner around my building at work. No cloggin from ilegales if you know what I mean

[no name 1]

I have never seen crowds of day labourers. Does not seeing these things make me niave? I guess if that's so, then I am.

Same crowds that are clogging up ERs...

Somehow most of us with a bit of common sense are not seeing these crowds.

Try to go through the day with your eyes open. It helps tremendously.

Took the words right out of my mouth.....

[Sofiyya 1,687]

There is nothing 'hormonal' about what I type. Anymore than what you type is more likely 'common sense'.

You don't have to like that portion of the 14th Amendment but it's there. I don't 'propose' anything when it comes to the Amendment. Let it stand. Your arguments would have readers believe that the intent of that section of amendment was not to enable illegal behavior. I contend the amendment was put in place to offer the great opportunity that America holds to an innocent child born within its boundaries. There are other laws already in place to deal with illegal work, illegal use of public benefits or any of the other 'jewels in the crown' you claim illegals cross the border to get. The job of our legislators should now be to give those laws teeth without jaggedly slaughtering the constitution. As for the fact that other nations do not grant birthright citizenship, so what? What about our Constitution or any part of the framework of this nation fits the pattern of how 'things have always been done' around the globe?

White guilt? What kind of weird analysis of posters to this community is that? I can't even relate to white guilt - nobody here is actually old enough to remember slavery. I have lived through the civil rights movement but I don't feel 'white' guilt for what happened. I feel disgust at a system that tried to justify supremecy under the law based upon race. That's a very different emotion.

An erroneous and self-destructive interpertation of a law can be reversed. I will do what I can to make it happen. It is being used to further illegal behavior and is also a source of the abuse of our social service system. I don't pay taxes to enable politicians to pander to illegals and I am an activist against the processes and manipulations that allow for that.

The history of the amendment is clear. It was not intended to create anchor babies, and there are exemptions to it that have not been considered to be unconstitutional. It is not zealous to want to enforce the laws and to plug up loopholes that promote lawbreaking. Birthright citizenship is one of those lookholes. Its legislative intent is a valid means of reversing it.

Your disgust at a system that tried to justify supremacy based upon race doesn't seem to extend to those who seek to reward people who break certain laws liberals disagree with. By excusing them, one inherently places them above those who follow the law and speak out against illegality. You have no reserve in opposing someone who takes the side of law abiders and works to make our government to the same. By attacking me, you present yourself in opposition to law abiders. I don't do that for you.

Edited February 3, 2008 by Virtual wife

[no name 1]

I have never seen crowds of day labourers. Does not seeing these things make me niave? I guess if that's so, then I am.

Same crowds that are clogging up ERs...

Somehow most of us with a bit of common sense are not seeing these crowds.

Try to go through the day with your eyes open. It helps tremendously.

Dunno, like I told our sailor friend, the adult ER is right in front of my window (the building across the street) and the kids' ER is kitty corner around my building at work. No cloggin from ilegales if you know what I mean

They go inside, you know, for the 'free' healthcare...they aren't congregating on the streets coughing/with a headache/at best, bleeding. Sheesh.

[HAL 9000 96]

There is nothing 'hormonal' about what I type. Anymore than what you type is more likely 'common sense'.

You don't have to like that portion of the 14th Amendment but it's there. I don't 'propose' anything when it comes to the Amendment. Let it stand. Your arguments would have readers believe that the intent of that section of amendment was not to enable illegal behavior. I contend the amendment was put in place to offer the great opportunity that America holds to an innocent child born within its boundaries. There are other laws already in place to deal with illegal work, illegal use of public benefits or any of the other 'jewels in the crown' you claim illegals cross the border to get. The job of our legislators should now be to give those laws teeth without jaggedly slaughtering the constitution. As for the fact that other nations do not grant birthright citizenship, so what? What about our Constitution or any part of the framework of this nation fits the pattern of how 'things have always been done' around the globe?

White guilt? What kind of weird analysis of posters to this community is that? I can't even relate to white guilt - nobody here is actually old enough to remember slavery. I have lived through the civil rights movement but I don't feel 'white' guilt for what happened. I feel disgust at a system that tried to justify supremecy under the law based upon race. That's a very different emotion.

I'm just going to address the white guilt part...

If it were an issue of white guilt, given the amount of power afforded to that particular segment of the US (and European) population, there would not be any issues with ilegales/illegals coming over since LONG ago the countless problems associated with creating a unidirectional market flow to Northern countries would have been solved out of all that guilt.

[HAL 9000 96]

I have never seen crowds of day labourers. Does not seeing these things make me niave? I guess if that's so, then I am.

Same crowds that are clogging up ERs...

Somehow most of us with a bit of common sense are not seeing these crowds.

Try to go through the day with your eyes open. It helps tremendously.

Dunno, like I told our sailor friend, the adult ER is right in front of my window (the building across the street) and the kids' ER is kitty corner around my building at work. No cloggin from ilegales if you know what I mean

They go inside, you know, for the 'free' healthcare...they aren't congregating on the streets coughing/with a headache/at best, bleeding. Sheesh.

Windows and doors exist and waiting rooms are clearly visible from the halls of the hospital. Maybe the illegal clog is in another room... I'll check tomorrow and get back to you...

Plus, my lab is physically connected to the hospital. Same hallways, so maybe I actually know what I'm saying.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

There is nothing 'hormonal' about what I type. Anymore than what you type is more likely 'common sense'.

You don't have to like that portion of the 14th Amendment but it's there. I don't 'propose' anything when it comes to the Amendment. Let it stand. Your arguments would have readers believe that the intent of that section of amendment was not to enable illegal behavior. I contend the amendment was put in place to offer the great opportunity that America holds to an innocent child born within its boundaries. There are other laws already in place to deal with illegal work, illegal use of public benefits or any of the other 'jewels in the crown' you claim illegals cross the border to get. The job of our legislators should now be to give those laws teeth without jaggedly slaughtering the constitution. As for the fact that other nations do not grant birthright citizenship, so what? What about our Constitution or any part of the framework of this nation fits the pattern of how 'things have always been done' around the globe?

White guilt? What kind of weird analysis of posters to this community is that? I can't even relate to white guilt - nobody here is actually old enough to remember slavery. I have lived through the civil rights movement but I don't feel 'white' guilt for what happened. I feel disgust at a system that tried to justify supremecy under the law based upon race. That's a very different emotion.

I'm just going to address the white guilt part...

If it were an issue of white guilt, given the amount of power afforded to that particular segment of the US (and European) population, there would not be any issues with ilegales/illegals coming over since LONG ago the countless problems associated with creating a unidirectional market flow to Northern countries would have been solved out of all that guilt.

White guilt is an undeniable component of this debate. If it was not there, anti-illegals be not accused of racism, as if standing up for yourself and your country's ability to determine who is legal and who isn't automatically makes one a racist. Creating such manipulations does nothing less than make some feel compassionate when defending illegality on the basis of race.

Edited February 3, 2008 by Virtual wife

[no name 1]

I have never seen crowds of day labourers. Does not seeing these things make me niave? I guess if that's so, then I am.

Same crowds that are clogging up ERs...

Somehow most of us with a bit of common sense are not seeing these crowds.

Try to go through the day with your eyes open. It helps tremendously.

Dunno, like I told our sailor friend, the adult ER is right in front of my window (the building across the street) and the kids' ER is kitty corner around my building at work. No cloggin from ilegales if you know what I mean

They go inside, you know, for the 'free' healthcare...they aren't congregating on the streets coughing/with a headache/at best, bleeding. Sheesh.

Windows and doors exist and waiting rooms are clearly visible from the halls of the hospital. Maybe the illegal clog is in another room... I'll check tomorrow and get back to you...

Plus, my lab is physically connected to the hospital. Same hallways, so maybe I actually know what I'm saying.

Wow, so you watch those windows 24/7? What a life!

Visit an LA-area hospital, maybe I actually know what I'm saying.

Edited February 3, 2008 by devilette

[Alex+R 0]

Maviwaro -- I don't think we should deport all the illegal immigrants living here, but that doesn't mean I think we should ignore the fact that they have in some parts of the country become a burden on the health and public school systems. It's a complicated situation, and ignoring all the messy details isn't going to help.

[Mags 112]

I'm just going to wade in here and say that I understand that this is an emotive subject, however, I am going to request that we keep it polite and respectful towards one another and to not wander any further into the territory of personal insults and snarky comments.

If that happens this topic will get closed - just lettin' ya know! Thanks.

Edited February 3, 2008 by Mags

[HAL 9000 96]

There is nothing 'hormonal' about what I type. Anymore than what you type is more likely 'common sense'.

You don't have to like that portion of the 14th Amendment but it's there. I don't 'propose' anything when it comes to the Amendment. Let it stand. Your arguments would have readers believe that the intent of that section of amendment was not to enable illegal behavior. I contend the amendment was put in place to offer the great opportunity that America holds to an innocent child born within its boundaries. There are other laws already in place to deal with illegal work, illegal use of public benefits or any of the other 'jewels in the crown' you claim illegals cross the border to get. The job of our legislators should now be to give those laws teeth without jaggedly slaughtering the constitution. As for the fact that other nations do not grant birthright citizenship, so what? What about our Constitution or any part of the framework of this nation fits the pattern of how 'things have always been done' around the globe?

White guilt? What kind of weird analysis of posters to this community is that? I can't even relate to white guilt - nobody here is actually old enough to remember slavery. I have lived through the civil rights movement but I don't feel 'white' guilt for what happened. I feel disgust at a system that tried to justify supremecy under the law based upon race. That's a very different emotion.

I'm just going to address the white guilt part...

If it were an issue of white guilt, given the amount of power afforded to that particular segment of the US (and European) population, there would not be any issues with ilegales/illegals coming over since LONG ago the countless problems associated with creating a unidirectional market flow to Northern countries would have been solved out of all that guilt.

White guilt is an undeniable component of this debate. If it was not there, anti-illegals be not accused of racism, as if standing up for yourself and your country's ability to determine who is legal and who isn't automatically makes one a racist. Creating such manipulations does nothing less than make some feel compassionate when defending illegality on the basis of race.

Contrary to the personification of anti-illegal sentiment, there are actually people out there vying for better laws to prevent, on our end, the sustenance of illegal immigration from the US point of view. That, however is impossible without creating solutions to the problem in the first place since people always find a way to survive- human nature 101.

Unfortunately, part of the anti-illegal sentiment is as easy to label as racist as part of the conservative crowd finds it light comedy to label liberal opoints of views that actually take into consideration the human factor involved in all our debates that seem to be more cyclical than a circle.

[kaydee457 13]

I have never seen crowds of day labourers. Does not seeing these things make me niave? I guess if that's so, then I am.

Same crowds that are clogging up ERs...

Somehow most of us with a bit of common sense are not seeing these crowds.

Try to go through the day with your eyes open. It helps tremendously.

Dunno, like I told our sailor friend, the adult ER is right in front of my window (the building across the street) and the kids' ER is kitty corner around my building at work. No cloggin from ilegales if you know what I mean

No comment on this??????

Here's the social costs of illegal immigration in Illinois......

Education- 3.1 billion annually for the eduction of illegals

Healthcare 340 million annually

Incarceration 55 illion annually

Social cost of illegals in my state

And here's some info about costs of treating illegals in Dallas....

Dallas hospital cares for illegal immigrants

But it's U.S. taxpayers who are footing the multi-million-dollar bill

source

The cost of medical care

August 3:

DALLAS - Parkland Memorial Hospital — the same iconic institution where doctors tried to save John F. Kennedy in 1963 — is today where tens of thousands of illegal immigrants receive taxpayer subsidized care.

“Whether they come from this country or somewhere else, doesn’t matter how I treat them,†says Richard Benson, a doctor at Parkland Hospital.

The most common patients here are expectant mothers. Each year about 16,000 babies are born at Parkland. The hospital estimates about 70 percent of them are delivered by undocumented mothers.

Among the new mothers is a woman who didn't want to be identified — an illegal immigrant from Mexico. Her medical bills will run more than $6,000.

But with no insurance, Parkland — a public hospital — is forced to cover the cost.

“We have to figure out how to continue to deal with this because it’s very difficult to fund it,†says Parkland President Dr. Ron Anderson.

Anderson says the cost of treating undocumented immigrants — millions of dollars each year — is unsustainable.

Still, he says, his hospital will never turn away patients.

“You are going to make some awful mistakes when you decide that one person is worthy and one person isn’t worthy,†Anderson says.

But 30 miles away, a Fort Worth public hospital is making those decisions, requiring patients to prove they're here legally before picking up the tab for non-emergency treatment.

“In some cases, you can’t afford 100 percent subsidized care to everyone that walks in here,†Robert Earley with John Peter Smith Hospital says.

The decision has drawn fire from Hispanic rights groups and people like Dominga Valderama, with her newborn baby at Parkland. She's a U.S. citizen, but has undocumented relatives.

"Can you put a price on someone’s health, put a price on a baby’s life?†says Valderama. “Everyone’s entitled to basic rights.â€

But who should pay?

That’s a question one of the nation's top public hospitals is struggling to answer.

This post has been edited by kaydee457: Today, 11:09 AM

cost of illegals in Illinois

source

Edited February 3, 2008 by kaydee457