McCain in 2000: "I hate the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live."

[Empress of Groovy 373]

I guess then, during WW2 everyone that used the word Jap or Kraut are racists.Sheesh!

Jap = Jewish American Princess?

No, not that type of "Jap." He means "Jap" as in "Japanese." "Nip" was also used, since it was short for "Nippon."

Yes, I know. Unsuccessful joke attempt.

My grandmother used to have a Jewish American Princess cartoon on her bathroom wall (yes, she was Jewish).

Edited January 31, 2008 by AOS despair

[garya505 2]

This reminds me of something that happened few years ago. I worked for a large company and our group did service work for other groups. One of my coworkers (Phil) was a black guy who I became friends with. One day Phil had to go do some work for a group that was particularity picky about how everything was done. When he came back, he told me they were very tough on him. I said "yes, they tend to be that way, and you're the new guy in the group". We looked at each other and just about laughed because we both knew what the other was thinking. I said, and "you're the new black guy too". Now, Phil and I were friends and he new I wasn't racist, so it was really funny. Maybe, if we were friends for 20 or 30 years, I could have said "and you're the new ####### too" and it would have been even funnier.

Words matter, context matters, and intent matters.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Different country, different language - different contextual meaning. As we know certain English words sound very similar to offensive words in other languages, and vice versa. The difference surely is in the intent and the intended meaning. Then again... linguistic misunderstandings between speakers of different languages are nothing new are they...?

The first example of "different contextual meaning" that comes to mind is Don Imus. Yet, since he is Caucasians the meaning and context become irrelevant..

I understand the point you are trying to make but you seem to refuse to accept that based on ones race there are double standards in America. Which ironically is the 'actual' definition of racism. That is, if someone Caucasian made a comment perceived as being racist, they are automatically branded a racist. Yet if someone else like an African American made a similar racist comment about someone white, then it receives a "nothing to see move along" response.

The only difference is that we are not babies and don't pretend to be all 'big' and 'bad' yet cry over words. LMAO

If that was your point the example you used was very badly thought out - as I'm left thinking that you see no difference between what McCain said, for example, and a spanish person who orders a coffee "muy negro" and offends someone who overhears.

As for Don Imus - what he said may well have been an innocent misunderstanding on his part, but the term he used was one that had a very specific and singular meaning. He may well have been ignorant of that - but again... that's not quite the same as your argument about Spanish words. He was simply, stupid, for doing what he did.

Double-standards exist, sure. But then we don't live in an egalitarian society do we? However we might want to pretend that we do.

I understand the point you are trying to make but you seem to refuse to accept that based on ones race there are double standards in America. Which ironically is the 'actual' definition of racism. That is, if someone Caucasian made a comment perceived as being racist, they are automatically branded a racist. Yet if someone else like an African American made a similar racist comment about someone white, then it receives a "nothing to see move along" response.

No, I'd think that would be racist as well...

Yes it would be.

Edited January 31, 2008 by Number 6

[pedroh 21]

This reminds me of something that happened few years ago. I worked for a large company and our group did service work for other groups. One of my coworkers (Phil) was a black guy who I became friends with. One day Phil had to go do some work for a group that was particularity picky about how everything was done. When he came back, he told me they were very tough on him. I said "yes, they tend to be that way, and you're the new guy in the group". We looked at each other and just about laughed because we both knew what the other was thinking. I said, and "you're the new black guy too". Now, Phil and I were friends and he new I wasn't racist, so it was really funny. Maybe, if we were friends for 20 or 30 years, I could have said "and you're the new ####### too" and it would have been even funnier.

Words matter, context matters, and intent matters.

yea, context matters a lot. when i first started working @ the shack, most of the employees were black or native american, and I was their '#######'.. but I really never felt comfortable using that word even if they expected me to use it

[BJZags 17]

or if a black guy got beaten by a white cop, he get's to call every white cop cr*** pig or something...

I'm pretty sure that I read somewhere that the racist characterization doesn't apply in these situations. PC run wild has rendered this argument unresolvable.

[Ban Hammer 13,352]

This reminds me of something that happened few years ago. I worked for a large company and our group did service work for other groups. One of my coworkers (Phil) was a black guy who I became friends with. One day Phil had to go do some work for a group that was particularity picky about how everything was done. When he came back, he told me they were very tough on him. I said "yes, they tend to be that way, and you're the new guy in the group". We looked at each other and just about laughed because we both knew what the other was thinking. I said, and "you're the new black guy too". Now, Phil and I were friends and he new I wasn't racist, so it was really funny. Maybe, if we were friends for 20 or 30 years, I could have said "and you're the new ####### too" and it would have been even funnier.

Words matter, context matters, and intent matters.

yea, context matters a lot. when i first started working @ the shack, most of the employees were black or native american, and I was their '#######'.. but I really never felt comfortable using that word even if they expected me to use it

better than being their punk.

[garya505 2]

This reminds me of something that happened few years ago. I worked for a large company and our group did service work for other groups. One of my coworkers (Phil) was a black guy who I became friends with. One day Phil had to go do some work for a group that was particularity picky about how everything was done. When he came back, he told me they were very tough on him. I said "yes, they tend to be that way, and you're the new guy in the group". We looked at each other and just about laughed because we both knew what the other was thinking. I said, and "you're the new black guy too". Now, Phil and I were friends and he new I wasn't racist, so it was really funny. Maybe, if we were friends for 20 or 30 years, I could have said "and you're the new ####### too" and it would have been even funnier.

Words matter, context matters, and intent matters.

yea, context matters a lot. when i first started working @ the shack, most of the employees were black or native american, and I was their '#######'.. but I really never felt comfortable using that word even if they expected me to use it

better than being their punk.

or b!tch.

[peejay 327]

I guess then, during WW2 everyone that used the word Jap or Kraut are racists.Sheesh!

Jap = Jewish American Princess?

No, not that type of "Jap." He means "Jap" as in "Japanese." "Nip" was also used, since it was short for "Nippon."

Yes, I know. Unsuccessful joke attempt.

My grandmother used to have a Jewish American Princess cartoon on her bathroom wall (yes, she was Jewish).

Did you ever give a listen to the old Frank Zappa tune "Jewish Princess" from the Sheik Yerbouti album of 1979?

It's a real hoot if you have a wicked sense of humor. Otherwise you might blow a gasket.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

I can be a biotch and a punk at the same time,I guess I am a self racist.

[Alex+R 0]

I guess then, during WW2 everyone that used the word Jap or Kraut are racists.Sheesh!

Jap = Jewish American Princess?

No, not that type of "Jap." He means "Jap" as in "Japanese." "Nip" was also used, since it was short for "Nippon."

Yes, I know. Unsuccessful joke attempt.

My grandmother used to have a Jewish American Princess cartoon on her bathroom wall (yes, she was Jewish).

Did you ever give a listen to the old Frank Zappa tune "Jewish Princess" from the Sheik Yerbouti album of 1979?

It's a real hoot if you have a wicked sense of humor. Otherwise you might blow a gasket.

I think that song is gross.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Someone please post lyrics I am curious

I can not google, most lyrics sites are blocked.

[Alex+R 0]

Someone please post lyrics I am curious

I can not google, most lyrics sites are blocked.

I think it would be a serious TOS violation.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

I guess then, during WW2 everyone that used the word Jap or Kraut are racists.Sheesh!

Jap = Jewish American Princess?

No, not that type of "Jap." He means "Jap" as in "Japanese." "Nip" was also used, since it was short for "Nippon."

Yes, I know. Unsuccessful joke attempt.

My grandmother used to have a Jewish American Princess cartoon on her bathroom wall (yes, she was Jewish).

Did you ever give a listen to the old Frank Zappa tune "Jewish Princess" from the Sheik Yerbouti album of 1979?

It's a real hoot if you have a wicked sense of humor. Otherwise you might blow a gasket.

I think that song is gross.

He!! just put him in the racist column, its easier.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Someone please post lyrics I am curious

I can not google, most lyrics sites are blocked.

I think it would be a serious TOS violation.

Oh.

[kaydee457 13]

Sometimes a term is still considered as a pejorative word by some but not by others. In other cases, some groups have attempted to reclaim formerly offensive words applied against them, with limited success. Such terms as *** (#######), "kike", redneck, cracker, white trash, Redskin, #######, #######, fairy, faggot, tranny, geek, nerd, chav, or cripple are considered pejorative if used by a non-member of the particular group in question. British English also incorporates many British regional slurs.

yes, so.... if you are running for president of the United States, you don't use terms which may be considered offensive by any group of people. Seems simple enough.

Um, those are not my words.....You neglected the link to the source