McCain in 2000: "I hate the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live."

[Ban Hammer 13,358]

well, looks like either chuck norris or rambo..be the ambassador to viet nam

i vote for ted nugent

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Call me white trash, dont bother me one bit. Blacks that call each other n###a seems not to bother them either. Sticks and stones.

oh that 'black call themselves #######' argument is already being discussed tons of times.. and its not the same thing

Yes - the word was assimilated into their lexicon as a way of taking ownership of it - but the term is pejorative, however you look at it.

Rationalization? Your joking right?

If women adopted abusive terms for themselves - such as b*tch and wh*re as everyday terms of address for each other - while it might be acceptable within their group, it doesn't change the meaning or history of the words does it?

You see this sort of things in kids with low self-esteem - run someone down enough times, and through negative reinforcement they'll start to believe it and start using those terms to describe themselves.

Look at the progression of names for blacks through history. "Negro" they didnt like it and wanted to be called "blacks" Now african american is the "term" being overly sensitive to names is just plain weak. You and others have labled me with names and I have never ever reported anyone cuz its their opinion, I really dont care.

Sure... If you think "they" are all of the same opinion in terms of what they call themselves.

I'm not really sure what your point is here - other than that its somehow wrong to express... "reservations" about perjorative racial terms.

It boils down to this. I dont give a ####### about names and never will. Name calling has been around since the begining of time and always will be. Jesse and Al have made millions raping the subject and some here have bought front row tickets.

It boils down to this. Using a racial epithet in any public context is going to be a problem for candidate running for public office. It doesn't exactly bode well for securing the votes of Korean or Vietnamese Americans does it?

[kaydee457 13]

Call me white trash, dont bother me one bit. Blacks that call each other n###a seems not to bother them either. Sticks and stones.

oh that 'black call themselves #######' argument is already being discussed tons of times.. and its not the same thing

Yes - the word was assimilated into their lexicon as a way of taking ownership of it - but the term is pejorative, however you look at it.

Rationalization? Your joking right?

If women adopted abusive terms for themselves - such as b*tch and wh*re as everyday terms of address for each other - while it might be acceptable within their group, it doesn't change the meaning or history of the words does it?

You see this sort of things in kids with low self-esteem - run someone down enough times, and through negative reinforcement they'll start to believe it and start using those terms to describe themselves.

Look at the progression of names for blacks through history. "Negro" they didnt like it and wanted to be called "blacks" Now african american is the "term" being overly sensitive to names is just plain weak. You and others have labled me with names and I have never ever reported anyone cuz its their opinion, I really dont care.

Sure... If you think "they" are all of the same opinion in terms of what they call themselves.

I'm not really sure what your point is here - other than that its somehow wrong to express... "reservations" about perjorative racial terms.

It boils down to this. I dont give a ####### about names and never will. Name calling has been around since the begining of time and always will be. Jesse and Al have made millions raping the subject and some here have bought front row tickets.

It boils down to this. Using a racial epithet in any public context is going to be a problem for candidate running for public office. It doesn't exactly bode well for securing the votes of Korean or Vietnamese Americans does it?

Given the context of the remark, I doubt that it's going to be an issue with asian americans. I give them more credit than to summarily dismiss a candidate with McCain's credentials over a justifiable remark.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Call me white trash, dont bother me one bit. Blacks that call each other n###a seems not to bother them either. Sticks and stones.

oh that 'black call themselves #######' argument is already being discussed tons of times.. and its not the same thing

Yes - the word was assimilated into their lexicon as a way of taking ownership of it - but the term is pejorative, however you look at it.

Rationalization? Your joking right?

If women adopted abusive terms for themselves - such as b*tch and wh*re as everyday terms of address for each other - while it might be acceptable within their group, it doesn't change the meaning or history of the words does it?

You see this sort of things in kids with low self-esteem - run someone down enough times, and through negative reinforcement they'll start to believe it and start using those terms to describe themselves.

Look at the progression of names for blacks through history. "Negro" they didnt like it and wanted to be called "blacks" Now african american is the "term" being overly sensitive to names is just plain weak. You and others have labled me with names and I have never ever reported anyone cuz its their opinion, I really dont care.

Sure... If you think "they" are all of the same opinion in terms of what they call themselves.

I'm not really sure what your point is here - other than that its somehow wrong to express... "reservations" about perjorative racial terms.

It boils down to this. I dont give a ####### about names and never will. Name calling has been around since the begining of time and always will be. Jesse and Al have made millions raping the subject and some here have bought front row tickets.

It boils down to this. Using a racial epithet in any public context is going to be a problem for candidate running for public office. It doesn't exactly bode well for securing the votes of Korean or Vietnamese Americans does it?

I think maybe the ones who suffered the same will understand.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Call me white trash, dont bother me one bit. Blacks that call each other n###a seems not to bother them either. Sticks and stones.

oh that 'black call themselves #######' argument is already being discussed tons of times.. and its not the same thing

Yes - the word was assimilated into their lexicon as a way of taking ownership of it - but the term is pejorative, however you look at it.

Rationalization? Your joking right?

If women adopted abusive terms for themselves - such as b*tch and wh*re as everyday terms of address for each other - while it might be acceptable within their group, it doesn't change the meaning or history of the words does it?

You see this sort of things in kids with low self-esteem - run someone down enough times, and through negative reinforcement they'll start to believe it and start using those terms to describe themselves.

Look at the progression of names for blacks through history. "Negro" they didnt like it and wanted to be called "blacks" Now african american is the "term" being overly sensitive to names is just plain weak. You and others have labled me with names and I have never ever reported anyone cuz its their opinion, I really dont care.

Sure... If you think "they" are all of the same opinion in terms of what they call themselves.

I'm not really sure what your point is here - other than that its somehow wrong to express... "reservations" about perjorative racial terms.

It boils down to this. I dont give a ####### about names and never will. Name calling has been around since the begining of time and always will be. Jesse and Al have made millions raping the subject and some here have bought front row tickets.

It boils down to this. Using a racial epithet in any public context is going to be a problem for candidate running for public office. It doesn't exactly bode well for securing the votes of Korean or Vietnamese Americans does it?

Given the context of the remark, I doubt that it's going to be an issue with asian americans. I give them more credit than to summarily dismiss a candidate with McCain's credentials over a justifiable remark.

I'm sure it won't be an issue for many - but it seems like a rather unnecessary risk to take, especially given the influence of "spin" on a lot of people. I heard someone the other day say that they wouldn't vote for Obama simply because of that news story that he wouldn't say the oath of allegiance.

[garya505 2]

Sooooo... if someone does something horrible enough, you get to be racist? Hm.

I think you should be able to call people who torture you anything you want.

[GaryC 7]

While I can understand the hatred he would feel for someone that tortured him and his fellow soldiers using the word g00k in public is bad form.

ETA Wow! g00k triggers the censor?

Edited January 31, 2008 by GaryC

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

While I can understand the hatred he would feel for someone that tortured him and his fellow soldiers using the word ###### in public is bad form.

And really bad politics.

[garya505 2]

Call me white trash, dont bother me one bit. Blacks that call each other n###a seems not to bother them either. Sticks and stones.

oh that 'black call themselves #######' argument is already being discussed tons of times.. and its not the same thing

Yes - the word was assimilated into their lexicon as a way of taking ownership of it - but the term is pejorative, however you look at it.

Rationalization? Your joking right?

If women adopted abusive terms for themselves - such as b*tch and wh*re as everyday terms of address for each other - while it might be acceptable within their group, it doesn't change the meaning or history of the words does it?

You see this sort of things in kids with low self-esteem - run someone down enough times, and through negative reinforcement they'll start to believe it and start using those terms to describe themselves.

Look at the progression of names for blacks through history. "Negro" they didnt like it and wanted to be called "blacks" Now african american is the "term" being overly sensitive to names is just plain weak. You and others have labled me with names and I have never ever reported anyone cuz its their opinion, I really dont care.

Sure... If you think "they" are all of the same opinion in terms of what they call themselves.

I'm not really sure what your point is here - other than that its somehow wrong to express... "reservations" about perjorative racial terms.

It boils down to this. I dont give a ####### about names and never will. Name calling has been around since the begining of time and always will be. Jesse and Al have made millions raping the subject and some here have bought front row tickets.

It boils down to this. Using a racial epithet in any public context is going to be a problem for candidate running for public office. It doesn't exactly bode well for securing the votes of Korean or Vietnamese Americans does it?

Maybe some of those Korean or Vietnamese Americans were tortured by the North Vietnamese too.

[Sister Fracas 5]

While I can understand the hatred he would feel for someone that tortured him and his fellow soldiers using the word g00k in public is bad form.

ETA Wow! g00k triggers the censor?

WOW...we've agreed on something!!!!!!!!!!

[Heracles 417]

That's the most ridiculous thing I ever heard... I mean... you don't think that Spain or Spanish-speaking countries have people of differing ethnicities? Do you think the sort of rationalisation in your argument applies to spanish speakers of different ethnicities?

I doubt its even an issue - and yes, there is a difference between a linguistic misunderstanding and a word thats concocted and used with a specifically negative or pejorative intent in mind.

I love this back peddling; when convenient. So different rules should apply to different people?

So let me get this straight. If someone black calls someone else black a #######. That is ok. But if someone like myself who has only been here for 2 years hears this and uses the same word to address the same person; I should be branded a racist, right?

[kaydee457 13]

I'm sure it won't be an issue for many - but it seems like a rather unnecessary risk to take, especially given the influence of "spin" on a lot of people. I heard someone the other day say that they wouldn't vote for Obama simply because of that news story that he wouldn't say the oath of allegiance.

He can't "unring the bell".......

[garya505 2]

well, looks like either chuck norris or rambo..be the ambassador to viet nam

i vote for ted nugent

BTW, who it ted endorsing?

[almaty 19]

well, looks like either chuck norris or rambo..be the ambassador to viet nam

i vote for ted nugent

BTW, who it ted endorsing?

ted nugent reported..he hates bald old guys...he going for a full head of hair.. romney

[Sister Fracas 5]

That's the most ridiculous thing I ever heard... I mean... you don't think that Spain or Spanish-speaking countries have people of differing ethnicities? Do you think the sort of rationalisation in your argument applies to spanish speakers of different ethnicities?

I doubt its even an issue - and yes, there is a difference between a linguistic misunderstanding and a word thats concocted and used with a specifically negative or pejorative intent in mind.

I love this back peddling; when convenient. So different rules should apply to different people?

So let me get this straight. If someone black calls someone else black a #######. That is ok. But if someone like myself who has only been here for 2 years hears this and uses the same word to address the same person; I should be branded a racist, right?

Yes, that is the way it works in ethnic groups. It isn't anything new...you hear an Italian calling his friend a Wop, but it's not acceptable from someone who isn't Italian. That's just the way it is. Seems crazy, but think about it. It's ok if YOU make a remark about a family member/friend that from an outside observer sounds awful, but what happens if you hear someone else make the same comment about your family member/friend. It is not ok.