Hamas shut off the power to Palestine

[♥JP♥ 5]

Here is some alternate info:

I don't see how it's "alternate". It doesn't contradict the info I posted because no "refugees" were "expelled" prior to the war of 1947-48.

Refugees:

In addition to those who fled Israeli territory, about 100,000 Arabs in Israel were displaced from their own villages. Many left willingly and were assured that the eviction was a temporary security measure. In particular, the residents of Ikrit and Birim have been trying to return to their villages along the Lebanese border since 1948, but have not been allowed to do so despite repeated rulings of the Israeli supreme court.

more here: http://www.mideastweb.org/refugees1.htm

So how does the displacement of 100,000 Arabs translate to the right of return for 5 million Palestinian refugees?

Oh I see, they should just continue to live in refugee camps for the rest of their lives so that Israel doesn't have to pay for the mistake they made. It's quite sad to see that Arab life has no meaning to you.

[mawilson 2,133]

So how does the displacement of 100,000 Arabs translate to the right of return for 5 million Palestinian refugees?

It's called reproduction - 60 years worth of children and families.

100,000 became 5 million in 60 years?

Sorry, don't buy it.

[AnewKINDofFEELIN 0]

It's called reproduction - 60 years worth of children and families.

4900% growth in 60 years? Even you have to admit that is absurd.

[mawilson 2,133]

It's called reproduction - 60 years worth of children and families.

4900% growth in 60 years? Even you have to admit that is absurd.

Indeed. The world population (including India and China) had only doubled

but the Palestinian population increased 49x fold? Purlease.

[AnewKINDofFEELIN 0]

Oh I see, they should just continue to live in refugee camps for the rest of their lives so that Israel doesn't have to pay for the mistake they made. It's quite sad to see that Arab life has no meaning to you.

Frankly, the Palestinians made the bigger mistake when the war was lost and they refused to negotiate.

[MrsAmera 41]

Apparently no one followed the link I also posted so I'll add the info here:

The war that ensued was won by Israel, creating a large number of Arab refugees. Estimates vary from about 520,000 (Israeli sources) to 726,000 (UN sources) to over 800,000 (Arab sources) refugees, Palestinian Arabs who fled or were forced out of their homes during the fighting. This number has grown to include over 4.6 million displaced persons, about 3.7 million of whom are currently registered as refugees with the UNRWA (United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees). Of these, somewhat over a million live in camps run by the UNRWA (see www.un.org/unrwa/pr/pdf/figures.pdf ) Generally, refugees living in the camps live in conditions of abject poverty and overcrowding. The refugees of the 1948 Israeli war of independence and the lesser number of refugees of the 1967 war constitute a real monumental humanitarian and political problem, and no resolution of the conflict can ignore them. The issue has also been deliberately exploited by Arab and Palestinian politicians in their war with Israel. The refugee problem has been at the heart of peace negotiations ever since 1949.

[♥JP♥ 5]

So how does the displacement of 100,000 Arabs translate to the right of return for 5 million Palestinian refugees?

It's called reproduction - 60 years worth of children and families.

100,000 became 5 million in 60 years?

Sorry, don't buy it.

Then maybe your numbers were off to begin with

[mawilson 2,133]

Oh I see, they should just continue to live in refugee camps for the rest of their lives so that Israel doesn't have to pay for the mistake they made. It's quite sad to see that Arab life has no meaning to you.

JP,

You're from Jordan. Tell me, why are there Palestinian refugee camps in Jordan?

Still, today, in 2008. The camps were established after the 1948 war to accommodate

Palestinian refugees who fled from the war. 1948! Why are these people

(whose number has grown from a few hundred thousand to more than 4 million) still

living in refugee camps?

60 years wasn't enough time to assimilate into Jordan (Lebanon, Syria and other

countries where the camps are located)?

Why wouldn't Jordan let them build homes and live like normal people? Or maybe

they are being used as pawns in a game and forced to live in camps?

Edited January 28, 2008 by mawilson

[simple_male 1]

These pro-Israeli people will never understand, because they believe "might is right" principle.

History is against you. The muslims didn't exactly purchase that land from the jews to begin with. It was kind of taken forcefully.

Do you only study the anti-Israeli portions of history?

Jews lived peacefully with Arabs and Muslims in Arab lands, in Spain. Where do you get your invented history? When the Jews were persecuted by the Crusaders, it was the Muslim lands where they run into for shelter.

[AnewKINDofFEELIN 0]

These pro-Israeli people will never understand, because they believe "might is right" principle.

History is against you. The muslims didn't exactly purchase that land from the jews to begin with. It was kind of taken forcefully.

Do you only study the anti-Israeli portions of history?

Jews lived peacefully with Arabs and Muslims in Arab lands, in Spain. Where do you get your invented history? When the Jews were persecuted by the Crusaders, it was the Muslim lands where they run into for shelter.

The point I was making had NOTHING to do with Arabs v. Jews. What I was trying to point out was that this was Jewish land hundreds of years ago. It was arab land 60 years ago.

Guess what? None of that matters. It's Israel now.

[♥JP♥ 5]

Oh I see, they should just continue to live in refugee camps for the rest of their lives so that Israel doesn't have to pay for the mistake they made. It's quite sad to see that Arab life has no meaning to you.

JP,

You're from Jordan. Tell me, why are there Palestinian refugee camps in Jordan?

Still, today, in 2008. The camps were established after the 1948 war to accommodate

Palestinian refugees who fled from the war. 1948! Why are these people

(whose number has grown from a few hundred thousand to more than 4 million) still

living in refugee camps?

60 years wasn't enough time to assimilate into Jordan (Lebanon, Syria and other

countries where the camps are located)?

Why wouldn't Jordan let them build homes and live like normal people? Or maybe

they are being used as pawns in a game and forced to live in camps?

Again you are wrong. MANY palistinians have assimilated into Jordan and become citizens of Jordan and MANY are holding out for thieir rights to get their land and homes back. That is a personal choice, and out of all the arab countries Jordan has done the best job at this. Not all countries will grant citizenship.

However all of this doesnt matter, why should other countries have to deal with Israels mistake? Can you answer that questions without bringing up Hamas or terrorism? Can we at least discuss this topic in a humane way without dismissing Arab's as human beings?

[Empress of Groovy 373]

The point I was making had NOTHING to do with Arabs v. Jews. What I was trying to point out was that this was Jewish land hundreds of years ago. It was arab land 60 years ago.

Guess what? None of that matters. It's Israel now.

If none of that mattered, there would be no hostilities.

[AnewKINDofFEELIN 0]

The point I was making had NOTHING to do with Arabs v. Jews. What I was trying to point out was that this was Jewish land hundreds of years ago. It was arab land 60 years ago.

Guess what? None of that matters. It's Israel now.

If none of that mattered, there would be no hostilities.

I was just stating that as it is, Israel is Israel. It's time for them all to get over it and live peacefully. Until then, they are both to blame.

[Empress of Groovy 373]

The point I was making had NOTHING to do with Arabs v. Jews. What I was trying to point out was that this was Jewish land hundreds of years ago. It was arab land 60 years ago.

Guess what? None of that matters. It's Israel now.

If none of that mattered, there would be no hostilities.

I was just stating that as it is, Israel is Israel. It's time for them all to get over it and live peacefully. Until then, they are both to blame.

Well, the "get over it" approach to diplomacy doesn't have a very good track record throughout history...

[AnewKINDofFEELIN 0]

Again you are wrong. MANY palistinians have assimilated into Jordan and become citizens of Jordan and MANY are holding out for thieir rights to get their land and homes back. That is a personal choice, and out of all the arab countries Jordan has done the best job at this. Not all countries will grant citizenship.

However all of this doesnt matter, why should other countries have to deal with Israels mistake? Can you answer that questions without bringing up Hamas or terrorism? Can we at least discuss this topic in a humane way without dismissing Arab's as human beings?

You seem to keep implying that Israel is solely to blame.

The point I was making had NOTHING to do with Arabs v. Jews. What I was trying to point out was that this was Jewish land hundreds of years ago. It was arab land 60 years ago.

Guess what? None of that matters. It's Israel now.

If none of that mattered, there would be no hostilities.

I was just stating that as it is, Israel is Israel. It's time for them all to get over it and live peacefully. Until then, they are both to blame.

Well, the "get over it" approach to diplomacy doesn't have a very good track record throughout history...

I agree. The type of diplomacy that has worked for thousands of years would include taking all of the land and telling the Palestinians to leave or die.