Hamas shut off the power to Palestine

[Risto 0]

Hey Risto, you quoted, "The Jews were persecuted throughout the centuries in all the Arabic speaking countries." Lies, Lies, and Lies. Do you have a better lie than this one? Jews should be thankful to Arabs and Muslims because they (Jews) were treated much better by Arabs and Muslims when Jews were persecuted. Jews used to run to the Muslims/Arab lands when others were persecuting them. Your lies remind us the movie "Liar Liar."

You are right.

The Jews without any reason just happily walked away from their prosperous life in the arab countries.

[simple_male 1]

It is easy to spread lies. But truth prevails in the long run. There are many websites which spread hatred to specific religions. You posted lot of information which can easily be refuted. Now, you brought Prophet Muhammad into this. Of course, the lies that were mentioned about Prophet Muhammad can easily be refuted. We are not here to discuss religions. There are websites which spreads false information about Jesus Christ, Moses, and other prophets. Simply copying and pasting inflammatory information about Prophets can hurt others' feelings.

I have quoted an article from the "Israel Foreign Ministry Affairs" by Dr. Ezra Chwat from Hebrew University of Jerusalem titled " Great Rabbis of the Muslim Empire" where he clearly mentioned the conditions of Jews lived under Muslim rules. I am sure, Dr. Chwat would have mentioned, if the allegation ("While Mohammed at first hoped that the Jews among whom he lived would accept him and his new religion, he became as virulent a persecutor of Jews in his day as did Martin Luther nine centuries later") made on your post were true. In fact, there are many (including Prophet's uncle) who did not accept Muhammad as a Prophet, but Prophet was never angry.

Your right, lies are very easy to spread. The Arabs have been doing it for quite some time in regards to the issues of Jews and Israel. They don't really care about the Palestinian people, it's only a convenient excuse to spread their violence.

Sure, Arabs don't care about Palestinian people, but sounds like you do. Your post did a great job twisting facts.

Edited February 13, 2008 by simple_male

[mawilson 2,133]

Sure, Arabs don't care about Palestinian people, but sounds like you do. Your post did a great job twisting facts.

The tragedy of the Palestinian people is that no-one cares about them -- not even the Arab states.

[simple_male 1]

Sure, Arabs don't care about Palestinian people, but sounds like you do. Your post did a great job twisting facts.

The tragedy of the Palestinian people is that no-one cares about them -- not even the Arab states.

It is true for one sided blind people like you. But overwhelming majority world wide people are not one sided.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

i fail to understand what these catalogues of medieval events have to do with anything now, when those on the other side of the argument have argued that zionist terrorism doesn't count or isn't condemnable because it happened "so long ago". nor does a single poster on this thread's ancestry not have equal or worse history. if i were to say that it would be entirely righteous for every native american in this country to use terrorism to re-establish their ancestral homelands here, on the basis that they have "more right to it" and i started bringing up bartolome de las casas' 15th century accounts of rape, murder and torture on hispaniola, and on and on and on, i would be laughed right off the board, and rightly so. the cut and paste hack jobs here are just as pointless and ridiculous. this rubbish isn't worth the theoretical electronic space it inhabits.

so "His anger at the Jews was principally fueled by their refusal to recognize him as a prophet but was further enhanced by their economic superiority."? samuel rosenblatt, in his Essays on Anti-Semitism, says that it was only when "the Jews that lived in the Arabian Peninsula began to secretly connive with Muhammad's enemies in Mecca to overthrow him (despite their having signed a peace treaty), that they were attacked. These incidents were not part of policies directed exclusively against Jews, and Muhammad was far more severe with his pagan Arab kinsmen than foreigner monotheists." but it's soooo much more intriguing to paint it as anti-semitism than as a punitive event motivated by the treachery of signing a peace treaty whilst conspiring war.

That's a fair question - but I do have to ask why they make no mention of Christian repression is given. The fact is that while the Jews did not experience 'equality' in the muslim world during the middle-ages, there was much more repression going on in the Christian countries of Europe.

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[Ban Hammer 13,445]

Sure, Arabs don't care about Palestinian people, but sounds like you do. Your post did a great job twisting facts.

The tragedy of the Palestinian people is that no-one cares about them -- not even the Arab states.

It is true for one sided blind people like you. But overwhelming majority world wide people are not one sided.

lots of them in egypt it seems, that's why egypt walled them back up.

[mawilson 2,133]

That's a fair question - but I do have to ask why they make no mention of Christian repression is given. The fact is that while the Jews did not experience 'equality' in the muslim world during the middle-ages, there was much more repression going on in the Christian countries of Europe.

The Christian countries of Europe have evolved, while the Muslim world remained in the middle ages.

[mawilson 2,133]

Sure, Arabs don't care about Palestinian people, but sounds like you do. Your post did a great job twisting facts.

The tragedy of the Palestinian people is that no-one cares about them -- not even the Arab states.

It is true for one sided blind people like you. But overwhelming majority world wide people are not one sided.

I've seen both sides. Have you? Have you even been to Israel or Palestine to pass judgment on who's blind?

So far we haven't seen anything from you that would suggest you're not "one-sided" yourself.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

That's a fair question - but I do have to ask why they make no mention of Christian repression is given. The fact is that while the Jews did not experience 'equality' in the muslim world during the middle-ages, there was much more repression going on in the Christian countries of Europe.

The Christian countries of Europe have evolved, while the Muslim world remained in the middle ages.

Yeah - that old chestnut again...

I don't disagree BTW - but that's not really the point I'm making. Some folks here don't seem to have a problem with using distortive interpretations of history to "prove" that muslims have been "savage" since the year dot, while completely ignoring the fact that as far as Jewish tolerance goes - the Christian nations during the middle ages were a lot more repressive.

Sorry - but it just isn't honest.

[simple_male 1]

Sure, Arabs don't care about Palestinian people, but sounds like you do. Your post did a great job twisting facts.

The tragedy of the Palestinian people is that no-one cares about them -- not even the Arab states.

It is true for one sided blind people like you. But overwhelming majority world wide people are not one sided.

I've seen both sides. Have you? Have you even been to Israel or Palestine to pass judgment on who's blind?

So far we haven't seen anything from you that would suggest you're not "one-sided" yourself.

Sure, you did not notice what I replied so far. But in my replies, I kept emphasizing on the peace process (Arab League 2002 Peace plan, Bush Map, Unofficial Oslo Peace plan). I even said I support the peace process and support President Jimmy Carter's position about finding a solution. I repeatedly said I dont support terrorism no matter who does it and I also mentioned that occupation of Arab lands must end and settlement activities must stop (same thing President Bush said recently in his middle east visit). I agree with President Jimmy Carter when he said, "Israel has a choice to make' continue occupation, building settlements or making peace with its Arab neighbors." But you people want solution by military might, at least, that is what, I am understanding.

Edited February 13, 2008 by simple_male

[mawilson 2,133]

That's a fair question - but I do have to ask why they make no mention of Christian repression is given. The fact is that while the Jews did not experience 'equality' in the muslim world during the middle-ages, there was much more repression going on in the Christian countries of Europe.

The Christian countries of Europe have evolved, while the Muslim world remained in the middle ages.

Yeah - that old chestnut again...

I don't disagree BTW - but that's not really the point I'm making. Some folks here don't seem to have a problem with using distortive interpretations of history to "prove" that muslims have been "savage" since the year dot, while completely ignoring the fact that as far as Jewish tolerance goes - the Christian nations during the middle ages were a lot more repressive.

Sorry - but it just isn't honest.

You don't even have to go that far. The Holocaust happened only 60 years ago, in a civilized,

democratic European nation with a great constitution.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

That's a fair question - but I do have to ask why they make no mention of Christian repression is given. The fact is that while the Jews did not experience 'equality' in the muslim world during the middle-ages, there was much more repression going on in the Christian countries of Europe.

The Christian countries of Europe have evolved, while the Muslim world remained in the middle ages.

Yeah - that old chestnut again...

I don't disagree BTW - but that's not really the point I'm making. Some folks here don't seem to have a problem with using distortive interpretations of history to "prove" that muslims have been "savage" since the year dot, while completely ignoring the fact that as far as Jewish tolerance goes - the Christian nations during the middle ages were a lot more repressive.

Sorry - but it just isn't honest.

You don't even have to go that far. The Holocaust happened only 60 years ago, in a civilized,

democratic European nation with a great constitution.

Naturally.

[SqdnGuns 21]

That's a fair question - but I do have to ask why they make no mention of Christian repression is given. The fact is that while the Jews did not experience 'equality' in the muslim world during the middle-ages, there was much more repression going on in the Christian countries of Europe.

The Christian countries of Europe have evolved, while the Muslim world remained in the middle ages.

More like regressed...........

[GaryC 7]

That's a fair question - but I do have to ask why they make no mention of Christian repression is given. The fact is that while the Jews did not experience 'equality' in the muslim world during the middle-ages, there was much more repression going on in the Christian countries of Europe.

The Christian countries of Europe have evolved, while the Muslim world remained in the middle ages.

Yeah - that old chestnut again...

I don't disagree BTW - but that's not really the point I'm making. Some folks here don't seem to have a problem with using distortive interpretations of history to "prove" that muslims have been "savage" since the year dot, while completely ignoring the fact that as far as Jewish tolerance goes - the Christian nations during the middle ages were a lot more repressive.

Sorry - but it just isn't honest.

You don't even have to go that far. The Holocaust happened only 60 years ago, in a civilized,

democratic European nation with a great constitution.

Which pretty much illustrates why the Jews need their own homeland. There hasn't been a more oppressed people that ever lived. They need their own country to stop this constant oppression. Since that part of the mid-east is their ancestral homeland it only stands to reason that is where it should be. The Palestinians really don't have a long term claim to the land anyway. The just happened to be there when Israel was created.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

That's a fair question - but I do have to ask why they make no mention of Christian repression is given. The fact is that while the Jews did not experience 'equality' in the muslim world during the middle-ages, there was much more repression going on in the Christian countries of Europe.

The Christian countries of Europe have evolved, while the Muslim world remained in the middle ages.

More like regressed...........

And Saudi Arabia is one of our biggest allies...

Of course people want to blame "regression" purely on Islam being intrinsically barbaric - few people seem to consider the major historical events that set large parts of the middle-east back several hundred years.

And noone has ever mentioned the Khazar Jewish state near the Caspian Sea. It was the ancestors of the Russians who put paid that...