Hamas shut off the power to Palestine

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Why did Egypt seal the border with Gaza? That's no way to treat your Muslim brothers.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Why did Egypt seal the border with Gaza? That's no way to treat your Muslim brothers.

[mawilson 2,133]

Why did Egypt seal the border with Gaza? That's no way to treat your Muslim brothers.

Don't you know? Israel and the US forced them to! Why else wouldn't they want chaos on their border?

Egypt warned Hamas against trying to open the border by force again, as it did on Jan. 23.

"Egypt is a respected state. Its border cannot be breached and its soldiers should not be lobbed with stones," said Suleiman Awwad, spokesman for Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak.

...

"The Palestinian people didn't benefit at all from the opening," said Wissam Abu Sharaf, a 26-year-old civil servant, as he waited at the border crossing for relatives to return from Egypt. "If the Egyptians were to serve the Palestinian people, they'd provide gas and fuel."

Of course, Egypt exists to serve the Palestinian people.

[Ban Hammer 13,445]

Why did Egypt seal the border with Gaza? That's no way to treat your Muslim brothers.

egypt don't want them either.........

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The Jews were persecuted throughout the centuries in all the Arabic speaking countries.

Proof?

Or did we gloss over the reason why so many Jews lived in (what is now) the Middle-east during the middle-ages?

[Risto 0]

Why did Egypt seal the border with Gaza? That's no way to treat your Muslim brothers.

In 1948 five arab countries invaded not only to prevent the creation of Israel but also to prevent the creation of the palestinian state.

They succeed in half.

[simple_male 1]

Hey Risto, you quoted, "The Jews were persecuted throughout the centuries in all the Arabic speaking countries." Lies, Lies, and Lies. Do you have a better lie than this one? Jews should be thankful to Arabs and Muslims because they (Jews) were treated much better by Arabs and Muslims when Jews were persecuted. Jews used to run to the Muslims/Arab lands when others were persecuting them. Your lies remind us the movie "Liar Liar."

Edited February 13, 2008 by simple_male

[Sand 5]

Hey Risto, you quoted, "The Jews were persecuted throughout the centuries in all the Arabic speaking countries." Lies, Lies, and Lies. Do you have a better lie than this one? Jews should be thankful to Arabs and Muslims because they (Jews) were treated much better by Arabs and Muslims when Jews were persecuted. Jews used to run to the Muslims/Arab lands when others were persecuting them. Your lies remind us the movie "Liar Liar."

:lol:

[Nagishkaw 510]

Hey Risto, you quoted, "The Jews were persecuted throughout the centuries in all the Arabic speaking countries." Lies, Lies, and Lies. Do you have a better lie than this one? Jews should be thankful to Arabs and Muslims because they (Jews) were treated much better by Arabs and Muslims when Jews were persecuted. Jews used to run to the Muslims/Arab lands when others were persecuting them. Your lies remind us the movie "Liar Liar."

Maybe they are waiting for you to remind them.

[simple_male 1]

Please read the following link from "Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs" website. The title of the article is:

"Great Rabbis of the Muslim Empire" by Dr. Ezra Chwat, Hebrew University of Jerusalem.

It is long, but give it a patience hearing. I am sure, he would have mentioned so called "Jews persecution throughout the centuries in all Arabic speaking countries." I am only quoting the last paragraph. But for full content please click on the link below.

The Last Paragraph of The Article:

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The Lasting Contribution of the Jews of the Muslim Empire

For over 500 years, the Jews of the Muslim Empire enjoyed stability, prosperity and religious autonomy. As opposed to the oppressive atmosphere in Northern Europe, the Jews lived, for the most part, in a tolerant civilization, one that valued excellence in the arts, the sciences and trade. In these fields the Jews were welcome participants. Thus Judaism developed as part of society, not as a secluded ghetto-culture as was the case in Christian Europe. The cultural cross-pollination benefited both sides. Because of the dialogue with Islam, the Jews became more aware of their philosophic and linguistic heritage. The new methods that developed in the vast Muslim Empire for the communication of knowledge and the codification of law were employed by the Rabbis in order to keep in contact with the ever-expanding Jewish Diaspora. Thus, they could preserve and sustain Talmudic Law, while creating new vistas of Jewish literature and thought which were instrumental in forming the structure of Judaism as it is today.

===============================================================

Now the link for the complete article:

http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/mfaarchive/1990_...muslim%20empire

The Jews were persecuted throughout the centuries in all the Arabic speaking countries.

Edited February 13, 2008 by simple_male

[GaryC 7]

The Jews in Arab Lands

In 1948, after Israel had declared its independence, 850,000 Jews who had lived in the Arab world at once streamed into the new country. The reasons for this immense migration was centuries old subjugation, oppression, and anti-Jewish violence that made the lives of Jews in most of the Arab countries as miserable as it had been in Christian society. Although Jews and Arabs had gotten along well prior to the seventh century and the development of Islam, the teachings of Mohammed and his followers became catastrophic for the Jews living among them.

While Mohammed at first hoped that the Jews among whom he lived would accept him and his new religion, he became as virulent a persecutor of Jews in his day as did Martin Luther nine centuries later.

The fact is that the Muslim world's second holiest city, Medina, a Hebrew word for community, was actually first settled by Jewish tribes. Because that Jewish city was successful and wealthy, it attracted numerous Arabs from surrounding areas until they outnumbered the Jews in their own town. Then, when the Arabs attained both superiority in numbers and unity through the new religion of Islam, they attacked the Jews and eliminated them entirely from Yathrib, which was another name for Medina.

Persecution of Jews began during the lifetime of Mohammed. His anger at the Jews was principally fueled by their refusal to recognize him as a prophet but was further enhanced by their economic superiority. Moreover, the Jews would not accept the new religion preached by Mohammed because it included Jesus and Ishmael as messengers of God.

Upon the death of Mohammed in 630 C.E., his successor, Omar, issued a charter consisting of 12 laws under which a non-Muslim or dhimmi was allowed to live among believers or Muslims. This charter codified the conditions of life for Jews under Islam and specified that any Jew who broke these codes forfeited his life. Included in this charter was a prohibition forbidding Jews to touch the Koran. It also compelled Jews to wear distinctive clothes, usually dark blue or black, and further compelled them to wear a yellow piece of cloth as a badge (This yellow cloth became the inspiration for the yellow star which the Nazi government of Germany forced upon Jews). Jews were also prohibited from performing their religious practices in public. Jews were not allowed to own a horse nor to drink wine in public. The anti-Jewish laws went so far as to prohibit Jews from letting their grief be heard by Muslims during or after a Jewish burial.

Both Jews and Christians had to pay a special head tax and a special property tax as protection money to the Muslim government. This tax came from an edict in the Koran: "Fight against those Jews and Christians who believe not in Allah …. until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.”

At all times Jews faced the danger of entering into a dispute with a Muslim, in which case the Muslim could charge, however falsely, that the Jew had cursed Islam. Jews were not allowed to defend themselves against such an accusation. Instead, a Muslim could murder any Jew with impunity except for the obligation to pay a small amount of money to the family of the slain “infidel”. Even this penalty was most unlikely because the law held the testimony of a Jew or Christian invalid against that of a Muslim. In fact, that penalty could only be demanded under the unlikely the condition that two Muslims were willing to testify against a third Muslim for the sake of a Jew.

These laws and others were enforced upon the Jews in Muslim lands for centuries. In Yemen, for example, Jews were forced to clean the street of animal carcasses and clean the latrines on their Sabbath without pay. In short, in Yemen, Jews were slaves. It was also in Yemen that Jewish women had to wear one white and one black shoe, while in Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Iran and Turkey a variety of other chicaneries were used to torment the Jews. In all Muslim countries the greed of the Muslims demanded money, even as physical humiliation accompanied daily Jewish life.

The Sultan of Morocco in 1884 forced Jews to work on the Sabbath and other holy days; carry heavy burdens on their backs; clean the latrines; sell merchandise at half price; accept false coinage instead of real currency; hold their beds and furniture at the disposal of government guests and act as beasts of burden for Muslims without pay.

Jews living in Arab lands were forced to live in Jewish ghettos or haramellah. These were “close, miserable, and dirty quarters intersected by lanes, many of which are so narrow as hardly to admit two persons passing each other in them.”

As late as the 19th century a visitor to Cairo, Egypt observed the Jews were “crowded and clustered into houses about to collapse, in dark cellars, narrow alleys and crooked lanes choked with mud and stinking refuse, earning their meager living in dark shops and suffocating workshops, toiling back-to-back, sunscorched and sleepless. Their hard struggle for existence both inside and outside the home is rewarded by a few beans and black bread.”

Although there were here and there a few individual Jews who succeeded despite these persecutions, in general Jews were treated in this most brutal manner throughout the Arab world unto the present time. It was only the establishment of Israel which rescued the Jews from Arab lands and gave them for the first time in their history an opportunity to live in decency and freedom.

The Jews in Arab lands were also the target of sporadic mass murders. These murders were often precipitated by the claim that Jews bake their Passover bread or Matzah with the blood of non-Jewish children and that furthermore Jews drink the blood of non-Jews.

In 1840 a Christian priest disappeared from Damascus, Syria. The priest was a Frenchman. Thereupon the Christian community and the French government claimed that the Jews had murdered the priest in order to drink his blood and use it for ritual purposes. The Muslim government of Syria, controlled by the Pasha of Egypt, tortured numerous Jews so as to get confessions from them concerning this alleged crime. It was through the intervention of the English Jew Sir Moses Montefiore and the French Jewish lawyer Adolphe Crėmieux (1796-1880) that the Jews who survived the torture were finally released.

In 1962 the Egyptian Ministry of Education published a book entitled Human Sacrifices in the Talmud which claims that Jews use human sacrifices and make it a religious obligation to drink the blood of non-Jews.

In 1964, a professor at the University of Damascus published a pamphlet which stated that mothers must be warned against letting their children out late at night lest the Jews take their blood for the purpose of making matzot for Passover.

In 1973 a minister in the Egyptian foreign service published a play based on this 1840 blood libel in Damascus, showing gory descriptions in a widely circulated Egyptian weekly. The play was called The Tragedy of Good Father Thomas.

Additional recitations of this insane blood libel have appeared in the Arab media continuously throughout the 20th century and into the beginning of the 21st century.

In the 1940s, the Mufti of Jerusalem proposed to the Nazi government in Germany that they "settle the question of Jewish elements in Palestine and other Arab countries in accordance with the national and racial interests of the Arabs and along lines similar to those used to solve the Jewish question in Germany and Italy."

The mass murder of six million Jews by Hitler and his cohorts was also defended and justified by numerous Arab writers, including an open letter to Hitler written by Anwar Sadat, the later president of Egypt. That letter was published in 1950 in the hope that Hitler was still alive. Sadat sympathized with Hitler and his cause. Sadat claimed that Hitler was maligned and slandered, for he did no more to the Jews than Pharaoh, Nebuchadnezzar, the Romans, the Byzantines, Titus, Mohammed and the Europeans, all of whom wanted to save the world from “this malignant evil”. This was the same Anwar Sadat who, as president of Egypt, attacked Israel in 1973 and, with the help of President Jimmy Carter, browbeat Israel into relinquishing the Sinai in 1981.

Mahmoud Abbas, the president of the Palestinian authority, published his doctoral dissertation, which he completed at Moscow Oriental College in 1983. This dissertation is called: The Other Side: the Secret Relations between Nazism And The Leadership of the Zionist Movement. This book claims that the number of Jews murdered by the Nazis was far less than 6 million and that the historian Raoul Hilberg estimates the number murdered at 890,000. The truth is that Hilberg, the author of The Destruction of the European Jews, never wrote such a thing. Furthermore, Abbas absolves the Nazi leadership of these murders and claims that the Zionist leadership was to blame for these killings. Abbas argued that the Zionists “offered human beings under any name to raise the number of victims.” According to Abbas, this policy served the Zionist purpose in promoting the immigration of Jews to the Holy Land.

Anis Mansour, a prominent Egyptian writer, wrote that the vicious medieval blood libel was historical truth. Claiming that Jews have confessed that they killed children and used their blood, he justified the persecution of Jews on the grounds that they are all “wild beasts”.

Shalom u’vracha.

http://www.jbuff.com/c100307.htm

[simple_male 1]

It is easy to spread lies. But truth prevails in the long run. There are many websites which spread hatred to specific religions. You posted lot of information which can easily be refuted. Now, you brought Prophet Muhammad into this. Of course, the lies that were mentioned about Prophet Muhammad can easily be refuted. We are not here to discuss religions. There are websites which spreads false information about Jesus Christ, Moses, and other prophets. Simply copying and pasting inflammatory information about Prophets can hurt others' feelings.

I have quoted an article from the "Israel Foreign Ministry Affairs" by Dr. Ezra Chwat from Hebrew University of Jerusalem titled " Great Rabbis of the Muslim Empire" where he clearly mentioned the conditions of Jews lived under Muslim rules. I am sure, Dr. Chwat would have mentioned, if the allegation ("While Mohammed at first hoped that the Jews among whom he lived would accept him and his new religion, he became as virulent a persecutor of Jews in his day as did Martin Luther nine centuries later") made on your post were true. In fact, there are many (including Prophet's uncle) who did not accept Muhammad as a Prophet, but Prophet was never angry.

The Jews in Arab Lands

In 1948, after Israel had declared its independence, 850,000 Jews who had lived in the Arab world at once streamed into the new country. The reasons for this immense migration was centuries old subjugation, oppression, and anti-Jewish violence that made the lives of Jews in most of the Arab countries as miserable as it had been in Christian society. Although Jews and Arabs had gotten along well prior to the seventh century and the development of Islam, the teachings of Mohammed and his followers became catastrophic for the Jews living among them.

While Mohammed at first hoped that the Jews among whom he lived would accept him and his new religion, he became as virulent a persecutor of Jews in his day as did Martin Luther nine centuries later.

The fact is that the Muslim world's second holiest city, Medina, a Hebrew word for community, was actually first settled by Jewish tribes. Because that Jewish city was successful and wealthy, it attracted numerous Arabs from surrounding areas until they outnumbered the Jews in their own town. Then, when the Arabs attained both superiority in numbers and unity through the new religion of Islam, they attacked the Jews and eliminated them entirely from Yathrib, which was another name for Medina.

Persecution of Jews began during the lifetime of Mohammed. His anger at the Jews was principally fueled by their refusal to recognize him as a prophet but was further enhanced by their economic superiority. Moreover, the Jews would not accept the new religion preached by Mohammed because it included Jesus and Ishmael as messengers of God.

Upon the death of Mohammed in 630 C.E., his successor, Omar, issued a charter consisting of 12 laws under which a non-Muslim or dhimmi was allowed to live among believers or Muslims. This charter codified the conditions of life for Jews under Islam and specified that any Jew who broke these codes forfeited his life. Included in this charter was a prohibition forbidding Jews to touch the Koran. It also compelled Jews to wear distinctive clothes, usually dark blue or black, and further compelled them to wear a yellow piece of cloth as a badge (This yellow cloth became the inspiration for the yellow star which the Nazi government of Germany forced upon Jews). Jews were also prohibited from performing their religious practices in public. Jews were not allowed to own a horse nor to drink wine in public. The anti-Jewish laws went so far as to prohibit Jews from letting their grief be heard by Muslims during or after a Jewish burial.

Both Jews and Christians had to pay a special head tax and a special property tax as protection money to the Muslim government. This tax came from an edict in the Koran: "Fight against those Jews and Christians who believe not in Allah …. until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.”

At all times Jews faced the danger of entering into a dispute with a Muslim, in which case the Muslim could charge, however falsely, that the Jew had cursed Islam. Jews were not allowed to defend themselves against such an accusation. Instead, a Muslim could murder any Jew with impunity except for the obligation to pay a small amount of money to the family of the slain “infidel”. Even this penalty was most unlikely because the law held the testimony of a Jew or Christian invalid against that of a Muslim. In fact, that penalty could only be demanded under the unlikely the condition that two Muslims were willing to testify against a third Muslim for the sake of a Jew.

These laws and others were enforced upon the Jews in Muslim lands for centuries. In Yemen, for example, Jews were forced to clean the street of animal carcasses and clean the latrines on their Sabbath without pay. In short, in Yemen, Jews were slaves. It was also in Yemen that Jewish women had to wear one white and one black shoe, while in Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Iran and Turkey a variety of other chicaneries were used to torment the Jews. In all Muslim countries the greed of the Muslims demanded money, even as physical humiliation accompanied daily Jewish life.

The Sultan of Morocco in 1884 forced Jews to work on the Sabbath and other holy days; carry heavy burdens on their backs; clean the latrines; sell merchandise at half price; accept false coinage instead of real currency; hold their beds and furniture at the disposal of government guests and act as beasts of burden for Muslims without pay.

Jews living in Arab lands were forced to live in Jewish ghettos or haramellah. These were “close, miserable, and dirty quarters intersected by lanes, many of which are so narrow as hardly to admit two persons passing each other in them.”

As late as the 19th century a visitor to Cairo, Egypt observed the Jews were “crowded and clustered into houses about to collapse, in dark cellars, narrow alleys and crooked lanes choked with mud and stinking refuse, earning their meager living in dark shops and suffocating workshops, toiling back-to-back, sunscorched and sleepless. Their hard struggle for existence both inside and outside the home is rewarded by a few beans and black bread.”

Although there were here and there a few individual Jews who succeeded despite these persecutions, in general Jews were treated in this most brutal manner throughout the Arab world unto the present time. It was only the establishment of Israel which rescued the Jews from Arab lands and gave them for the first time in their history an opportunity to live in decency and freedom.

The Jews in Arab lands were also the target of sporadic mass murders. These murders were often precipitated by the claim that Jews bake their Passover bread or Matzah with the blood of non-Jewish children and that furthermore Jews drink the blood of non-Jews.

In 1840 a Christian priest disappeared from Damascus, Syria. The priest was a Frenchman. Thereupon the Christian community and the French government claimed that the Jews had murdered the priest in order to drink his blood and use it for ritual purposes. The Muslim government of Syria, controlled by the Pasha of Egypt, tortured numerous Jews so as to get confessions from them concerning this alleged crime. It was through the intervention of the English Jew Sir Moses Montefiore and the French Jewish lawyer Adolphe Crėmieux (1796-1880) that the Jews who survived the torture were finally released.

In 1962 the Egyptian Ministry of Education published a book entitled Human Sacrifices in the Talmud which claims that Jews use human sacrifices and make it a religious obligation to drink the blood of non-Jews.

In 1964, a professor at the University of Damascus published a pamphlet which stated that mothers must be warned against letting their children out late at night lest the Jews take their blood for the purpose of making matzot for Passover.

In 1973 a minister in the Egyptian foreign service published a play based on this 1840 blood libel in Damascus, showing gory descriptions in a widely circulated Egyptian weekly. The play was called The Tragedy of Good Father Thomas.

Additional recitations of this insane blood libel have appeared in the Arab media continuously throughout the 20th century and into the beginning of the 21st century.

In the 1940s, the Mufti of Jerusalem proposed to the Nazi government in Germany that they "settle the question of Jewish elements in Palestine and other Arab countries in accordance with the national and racial interests of the Arabs and along lines similar to those used to solve the Jewish question in Germany and Italy."

The mass murder of six million Jews by Hitler and his cohorts was also defended and justified by numerous Arab writers, including an open letter to Hitler written by Anwar Sadat, the later president of Egypt. That letter was published in 1950 in the hope that Hitler was still alive. Sadat sympathized with Hitler and his cause. Sadat claimed that Hitler was maligned and slandered, for he did no more to the Jews than Pharaoh, Nebuchadnezzar, the Romans, the Byzantines, Titus, Mohammed and the Europeans, all of whom wanted to save the world from “this malignant evil”. This was the same Anwar Sadat who, as president of Egypt, attacked Israel in 1973 and, with the help of President Jimmy Carter, browbeat Israel into relinquishing the Sinai in 1981.

Mahmoud Abbas, the president of the Palestinian authority, published his doctoral dissertation, which he completed at Moscow Oriental College in 1983. This dissertation is called: The Other Side: the Secret Relations between Nazism And The Leadership of the Zionist Movement. This book claims that the number of Jews murdered by the Nazis was far less than 6 million and that the historian Raoul Hilberg estimates the number murdered at 890,000. The truth is that Hilberg, the author of The Destruction of the European Jews, never wrote such a thing. Furthermore, Abbas absolves the Nazi leadership of these murders and claims that the Zionist leadership was to blame for these killings. Abbas argued that the Zionists “offered human beings under any name to raise the number of victims.” According to Abbas, this policy served the Zionist purpose in promoting the immigration of Jews to the Holy Land.

Anis Mansour, a prominent Egyptian writer, wrote that the vicious medieval blood libel was historical truth. Claiming that Jews have confessed that they killed children and used their blood, he justified the persecution of Jews on the grounds that they are all “wild beasts”.

Shalom u’vracha.

http://www.jbuff.com/c100307.htm

Edited February 13, 2008 by simple_male

[sandinista! 1,816]

i fail to understand what these catalogues of medieval events have to do with anything now, when those on the other side of the argument have argued that zionist terrorism doesn't count or isn't condemnable because it happened "so long ago". nor does a single poster on this thread's ancestry not have equal or worse history. if i were to say that it would be entirely righteous for every native american in this country to use terrorism to re-establish their ancestral homelands here, on the basis that they have "more right to it" and i started bringing up bartolome de las casas' 15th century accounts of rape, murder and torture on hispaniola, and on and on and on, i would be laughed right off the board, and rightly so. the cut and paste hack jobs here are just as pointless and ridiculous. this rubbish isn't worth the theoretical electronic space it inhabits.

so "His anger at the Jews was principally fueled by their refusal to recognize him as a prophet but was further enhanced by their economic superiority."? samuel rosenblatt, in his Essays on Anti-Semitism, says that it was only when "the Jews that lived in the Arabian Peninsula began to secretly connive with Muhammad's enemies in Mecca to overthrow him (despite their having signed a peace treaty), that they were attacked. These incidents were not part of policies directed exclusively against Jews, and Muhammad was far more severe with his pagan Arab kinsmen than foreigner monotheists." but it's soooo much more intriguing to paint it as anti-semitism than as a punitive event motivated by the treachery of signing a peace treaty whilst conspiring war.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Hasbara

[GaryC 7]

It is easy to spread lies. But truth prevails in the long run. There are many websites which spread hatred to specific religions. You posted lot of information which can easily be refuted. Now, you brought Prophet Muhammad into this. Of course, the lies that were mentioned about Prophet Muhammad can easily be refuted. We are not here to discuss religions. There are websites which spreads false information about Jesus Christ, Moses, and other prophets. Simply copying and pasting inflammatory information about Prophets can hurt others' feelings.

I have quoted an article from the "Israel Foreign Ministry Affairs" by Dr. Ezra Chwat from Hebrew University of Jerusalem titled " Great Rabbis of the Muslim Empire" where he clearly mentioned the conditions of Jews lived under Muslim rules. I am sure, Dr. Chwat would have mentioned, if the allegation ("While Mohammed at first hoped that the Jews among whom he lived would accept him and his new religion, he became as virulent a persecutor of Jews in his day as did Martin Luther nine centuries later") made on your post were true. In fact, there are many (including Prophet's uncle) who did not accept Muhammad as a Prophet, but Prophet was never angry.

Your right, lies are very easy to spread. The Arabs have been doing it for quite some time in regards to the issues of Jews and Israel. They don't really care about the Palestinian people, it's only a convenient excuse to spread their violence.