Hamas shut off the power to Palestine

[simple_male 1]

Sure, only one sided person like you does not give any damn to great human beings like Desmond Tutu and Jimmt Carter. But most of reasonable people give damn about them. They both won the nobel prize for peace which are not flukes! Who gives damn to your one sided analysis?

Yasser Arafat won the Nobel Peace Prize too, and he was an actual terrorist. What a joke. Your point?

Israelites was a good reggae song though......oh, wait, it was Desmond Dekker who wrote it, not Tutu. Never mind

To you, Palestinians are terrorists including Arafat. Soon Mahmud Abbas (Abu Mazen) will be branded as a terrorist. But no blind supporter of Israel will say that Jimmy Carter and Desmond Tutu are terrorists. Shamir and Begin were terrorists to the British Authority, as they were wanted by the British for terrorism. My point is, both Jimmy Carter and Desmond Tutu gave a fair assessment (which of course, you don't like to hear). I agree with President Carter and ArchBishop Tutu whom are neither Arabs nor Muslims. I am sure, most people will agree with them as well.

Unlike many blind supporters of Israel, Jimmy Carter and Desmond Tutu have both actually been to Palestine, and witnessed for themselves what is going on there. They both have far more experience in politics, humanitarianism, and dealing with apartheid and colonialism, just to name a few things. They both are well aware of the issue of suicide bombers, and both have commented on them. They also both have Nobel Peace Prizes. So who has real credibility here, and who doesn't ?

Edited February 9, 2008 by simple_male

[mawilson 2,133]

To you, Palestinians are terrorists including Arafat. Soon Mahmud Abbas (Abu Mazen) will be branded as a terrorist.

Not all Palestinians are terrorists. Arafat, however, was a terrorist. Mahmoud Abbas? Damn right.

The Al-Aqsa Martyr Brigades, a terrorist group closely affiliated with his party, killed hundreds of

Israelis. A partner for peace my foot. Of course, they are ready to "talk". Talking is good, talking

maintains the status quo, while Fatah leaders are happily cashing their paychecks. No wonder most

Palestinians see them as corrupt sell-outs. So what do they do? They go ahead and order suicide

attacks against Israel to prove to the people of Palestine that they, too, are the "good guys."

The more they "talk", the bloodier it gets.

Unlike many blind supporters of Israel, Jimmy Carter and Desmond Tutu have both actually been to Palestine, and witnessed for themselves what is going on there.

So have I.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Anyone that supports Hamas is a terrorist.

[Sand 5]

To you, Palestinians are terrorists including Arafat. Soon Mahmud Abbas (Abu Mazen) will be branded as a terrorist.

Not all Palestinians are terrorists. Arafat, however, was a terrorist. Mahmoud Abbas? Damn right.

The Al-Aqsa Martyr Brigades, a terrorist group closely affiliated with his party, killed hundreds of

Israelis. A partner for peace my foot. Of course, they are ready to "talk". Talking is good, talking

maintains the status quo, while Fatah leaders are happily cashing their paychecks. No wonder most

Palestinians see them as corrupt sell-outs. So what do they do? They go ahead and order suicide

attacks against Israel to prove to the people of Palestine that they, too, are the "good guys."

The more they "talk", the bloodier it gets.

Unlike many blind supporters of Israel, Jimmy Carter and Desmond Tutu have both actually been to Palestine, and witnessed for themselves what is going on there.

So have I.

STUPID STUPID STUPID

[mawilson 2,133]

More bully talk, and detached from reality. The Apartheid regime in South Africa used to say the same kinds of things... and look what happened....

Different demographics. South Africa was 75% black and only 13% white. Israel is still more

than 50% Jewish, even if you count all of Palestine. Also, the white South Africans were not

the Chosen People and didn't rule the world, which put them at a major disadvantage.

[Mags 112]

To you, Palestinians are terrorists including Arafat. Soon Mahmud Abbas (Abu Mazen) will be branded as a terrorist.

Not all Palestinians are terrorists. Arafat, however, was a terrorist. Mahmoud Abbas? Damn right.

The Al-Aqsa Martyr Brigades, a terrorist group closely affiliated with his party, killed hundreds of

Israelis. A partner for peace my foot. Of course, they are ready to "talk". Talking is good, talking

maintains the status quo, while Fatah leaders are happily cashing their paychecks. No wonder most

Palestinians see them as corrupt sell-outs. So what do they do? They go ahead and order suicide

attacks against Israel to prove to the people of Palestine that they, too, are the "good guys."

The more they "talk", the bloodier it gets.

Unlike many blind supporters of Israel, Jimmy Carter and Desmond Tutu have both actually been to Palestine, and witnessed for themselves what is going on there.

So have I.

STUPID STUPID STUPID

And you can stop that too! These types of comments add nothing to the thread.

Edited February 9, 2008 by Mags

[simple_male 1]

To you, Palestinians are terrorists including Arafat. Soon Mahmud Abbas (Abu Mazen) will be branded as a terrorist.

Not all Palestinians are terrorists. Arafat, however, was a terrorist. Mahmoud Abbas? Damn right.

The Al-Aqsa Martyr Brigades, a terrorist group closely affiliated with his party, killed hundreds of

Israelis. A partner for peace my foot. Of course, they are ready to "talk". Talking is good, talking

maintains the status quo, while Fatah leaders are happily cashing their paychecks. No wonder most

Palestinians see them as corrupt sell-outs. So what do they do? They go ahead and order suicide

attacks against Israel to prove to the people of Palestine that they, too, are the "good guys."

The more they "talk", the bloodier it gets.

Unlike many blind supporters of Israel, Jimmy Carter and Desmond Tutu have both actually been to Palestine, and witnessed for themselves what is going on there.

So have I.

The difference is, you are one sided while they are not. Whatever they write, they do it with reasons, not with blindness. I am sure, they are much more respectable to most of the people worldwide.

Edited February 9, 2008 by simple_male

[simple_male 1]

Anyone that supports Hamas is a terrorist.

No one supports Hamas here. Most of them here (unlike you and very few others) write with reasons. Plus your answers to my questions are contradictory ones, why don't you refute those? You believe Palestinians should move to Arab lands, since they have vast land. This kind of zeal is dangerous for any kind of peaceful solution. I am glad the US President, World leaders (including Most Israeli and Palestinian leaders) don't support your idea.

[sandinista! 1,816]

More bully talk, and detached from reality. The Apartheid regime in South Africa used to say the same kinds of things... and look what happened....

Different demographics. South Africa was 75% black and only 13% white. Israel is still more

than 50% Jewish, even if you count all of Palestine. Also, the white South Africans were not

the Chosen People and didn't rule the world, which put them at a major disadvantage.

in light of the above comments, everything you've posted in the last 15 pages suddenly has a whole new context.

[mawilson 2,133]

More bully talk, and detached from reality. The Apartheid regime in South Africa used to say the same kinds of things... and look what happened....

Different demographics. South Africa was 75% black and only 13% white. Israel is still more

than 50% Jewish, even if you count all of Palestine. Also, the white South Africans were not

the Chosen People and didn't rule the world, which put them at a major disadvantage.

in light of the above comments, everything you've posted in the last 15 pages suddenly has a whole new context.

I was being sarcastic, in case you missed the tone.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

To you, Palestinians are terrorists including Arafat. Soon Mahmud Abbas (Abu Mazen) will be branded as a terrorist.

Not all Palestinians are terrorists. Arafat, however, was a terrorist. Mahmoud Abbas? Damn right.

The Al-Aqsa Martyr Brigades, a terrorist group closely affiliated with his party, killed hundreds of

Israelis. A partner for peace my foot. Of course, they are ready to "talk". Talking is good, talking

maintains the status quo, while Fatah leaders are happily cashing their paychecks. No wonder most

Palestinians see them as corrupt sell-outs. So what do they do? They go ahead and order suicide

attacks against Israel to prove to the people of Palestine that they, too, are the "good guys."

The more they "talk", the bloodier it gets.

Unlike many blind supporters of Israel, Jimmy Carter and Desmond Tutu have both actually been to Palestine, and witnessed for themselves what is going on there.

So have I.

Ariel Sharon was complicit in the Sabra and Shatila massacre and he was elected to the role of Prime Minister.

Both Arafat and Sharon hardly reflected a desire to put aside the differences of the past and work toward a common future. Did they?

[sandinista! 1,816]

To you, Palestinians are terrorists including Arafat. Soon Mahmud Abbas (Abu Mazen) will be branded as a terrorist.

Not all Palestinians are terrorists. Arafat, however, was a terrorist. Mahmoud Abbas? Damn right.

The Al-Aqsa Martyr Brigades, a terrorist group closely affiliated with his party, killed hundreds of

Israelis. A partner for peace my foot. Of course, they are ready to "talk". Talking is good, talking

maintains the status quo, while Fatah leaders are happily cashing their paychecks. No wonder most

Palestinians see them as corrupt sell-outs. So what do they do? They go ahead and order suicide

attacks against Israel to prove to the people of Palestine that they, too, are the "good guys."

The more they "talk", the bloodier it gets.

Unlike many blind supporters of Israel, Jimmy Carter and Desmond Tutu have both actually been to Palestine, and witnessed for themselves what is going on there.

So have I.

Ariel Sharon was complicit in the Sabra and Shatila massacre and he was elected to the role of Prime Minister.

Both Arafat and Sharon hardly reflected a desire to put aside the differences of the past and work toward a common future. Did they?

noble israeli war criminals are as ineligible for criticism as zionist terrorists of the 30s and 40s. "it's all in the past." unless someone brings up arafat. then the past is suddenly relevant again.

More bully talk, and detached from reality. The Apartheid regime in South Africa used to say the same kinds of things... and look what happened....

Different demographics. South Africa was 75% black and only 13% white. Israel is still more

than 50% Jewish, even if you count all of Palestine. Also, the white South Africans were not

the Chosen People and didn't rule the world, which put them at a major disadvantage.

in light of the above comments, everything you've posted in the last 15 pages suddenly has a whole new context.

I was being sarcastic, in case you missed the tone.

i was trying to be too, with that silly face. it didn't translate well.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

I have an extremely hard time picturing the pro-Israel men on this board going quietly into the night without a peep if they were kicked out of their homes and told they could not come back so that a bunch of Arabs could occupy the land they were on.

No-one was "kicked out of their homes". They had a choice and chose to leave.

Those who stayed became Israeli citizens. There are 1.4 million Palestinians

(Arabs) living in Israel today who are Israeli citizens. No-one "kicked them out".

Even most of the hardline Zionist historians in Israel have already confirmed the fact of the expulsion of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians.

Most experts (both inside and outside Israel) agree that between 1947 and 1948, some 750,000 Palestinians were terrorized out of their homes, farms and businesses by Zionist gangs and military units. 450 Palestinian towns and villages were ethnically cleansed, razed, and renamed.

After the war, fewer than half of the Palestinians who had lived in historic Palestine were still in their original homes -- fewer then 150,000 were left in what became Israel, about 400,000 in the West Bank, and about 60,000 in the Gaza Strip. The 1.4 million Palestinian Arabs still living in Israel today are descended from those 150,000 -- the small minority who managed to avoid being driven out.

Reality check:

Your claim that Palestinians somehow left voluntarily, and therefore lose their rights, is ridiculous. Civilians who flee from an armed conflict are not "making a choice to leave" -- they are running for their lives. And under international law and the Geneva Convention, they have the absolute right to return to their homes.

In fact, it doesn't matter even if there was no threat and they simply decided to go take a vacation in the south of France. Every person has the right to return to his property.

I wonder how you'd accept someone claiming that Jews who fled the Holocaust "chose to leave" and thus *weren't* forced out of their homes. I wonder how you'd accept someone claiming that this meant they'd abandoned their property rights. Oh wait a minute -- Israel has demanded (and gotten) billions in reparations for the losses of those victims and their families -- about $95 billion from Germany alone.

When Israel put Adolf Eichmann on trial for Nazi atrocities, the charges included "forcible expulsion" (ethnic cleansing) which was classified as a war crime.

Just another lesson in Zio-irony....

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

I have an extremely hard time picturing the pro-Israel men on this board going quietly into the night without a peep if they were kicked out of their homes and told they could not come back so that a bunch of Arabs could occupy the land they were on.

No-one was "kicked out of their homes". They had a choice and chose to leave.

Those who stayed became Israeli citizens. There are 1.4 million Palestinians

(Arabs) living in Israel today who are Israeli citizens. No-one "kicked them out".

That is the most ignorant thing I have seen in this thread yet.

There are 4 or 5 million Palestinian refugees today. If you seriously believe that all

these people were somehow expelled from their homes in Israel, you're the ignorant one.

As Mawilson already knows, the total figure of Palestinian refugees includes both the displaced victims and their descendants.

Again, about 750,000 Palestinians were driven from their homes in 1947-1948 in what is now Israel.

But in 1967, when Israel launched air strikes against Palestinian cities and towns in the West Bank and Gaza, an additional 400,000 Palestinians were forced out or fled.

Often, the figure given for "total Palestinian refugees" is the 4.3 million Palestinian refugees registered with the UNRWA (United Nations Relief and Works Agency.)

But UNRWA records only include refugees who were displaced in 1948 (and their descendents,) and who are in need of assistance, and are located in UNRWA areas of operation -- the West Bank, Gaza, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria. So it is not the total figure.

In 2003, the actual total number of Palestinian refugees and displaced persons was estimated at nearly 7 million. This includes the 4.3 million listed with UNRWA; another 1.5 million displaced in 1948 but not registered for assistance; about 400,000 displaced in 1967; about 274,000 "internally-displaced" refugees from 1948; and about 274,000 "internally displaced" refugees from 1967. (Once again -- the total figure of almost 7 million includes both the original victims and their descendants.)

[kerewin21 2]

Here's an idea.... stop occupying Palestinian land and stop oppressing Palestinian civilians -- stop murdering, kidnapping, assaulting and torturing them, and stop stealing their property. Sheesh.

Here's another idea. Stop indiscriminately launching rockets at Israelis, stop destroying Jewish peoples' property and infrastructure, stop sending your children into Israel with the sole purpose of blowing themselves up and taking as many people as possible with them, stop hiding your terrorists behind women and children and then blaming the Israelis when you intentionally placed them in harm's way.

Edited to add: I agree that there are horrible things happening from both sides. But seriously, do you really think it's as simple as you state it?

just for the record... they didnt start "defending themselves" until the israelies started attacking them......TO EVERY ACTION THERES A REACTION.... would love to see what wd u do if someone bashed into ur house pulled u from your hair out side and calls u a terrorist when u try to claim whats originally urs back?!??! hmmmm yessss never thought of it that way have u!!!! lol

Ummm ok. But I'll point out that Muslims have been attacking Jews for centuries. It didn't start with the creation of Israel. They've been attacked countless times in places that nobody could claim didn't belong to them.

Actions and reactions go back centuries. You have to draw the line somewhere.