A Day without Immigrants

[Traviesa 0]

here we go again....

Yeah, with people not being willing to accept or even consider another point of view..funny thing is, I don't really care-the point of view I'm expressing comes from many people, none of which are me. Just stuff I've been told along the way...

[CarolineM 0]

we aren't "going" anywhere...and I won't support illegal immigration no matter what "stories" you tell me. Sorry.

I still maintain that facts and statistics are more important to ME than oral histories.

See how I use "I" statements. Why does it matter to the two of you WHAT I think anyway?

[Traviesa 0]

we aren't "going" anywhere...and I won't support illegal immigration no matter what "stories" you tell me. Sorry.

I still maintain that facts and statistics are more important to ME than oral histories.

See how I use "I" statements. Why does it matter to the two of you WHAT I think anyway?

If you think nobody cares what you think, why do you post your opinions on a public forum??

[Fuzzness 2]

here we go again....

Yeah, with people not being willing to accept or even consider another point of view..funny thing is, I don't really care-the point of view I'm expressing comes from many people, none of which are me. Just stuff I've been told along the way...

so reinhard has been telling stuff he's read along the way. whats the difference? and are you willing to accept or consider his point of view? I do appreciate your point of view or even what others have told you, but I also appreciate his point of view, which I seem to share on many subjects.

why must you guys do this every time someone mentions illegal immigrants?

is anybody else tired of hearing about this? oh well, maybe i shouldn't even read this thread.

sorry, i dont want to sound like i'm shooting down anyone's views here.

[CarolineM 0]

I'd say you answered your own question. If you are sick of reading about this then DON'T. It's not hard to NOT CLICK ON A THREAD. Really why you all get so bent out of shape about what I think is beyond me. You don't know me, you never will, so get over it.

really.

[Traviesa 0]

This thread has absolutely NOTHING to do with supporting or rejecting illegal aliens. Where are you all getting this from? It has to do with will we be able to fill all of their empty spots if they were to leave? I say no, others say yes...big freaking deal!

[CarolineM 0]

also - and i'm ready for everyone to jump down my throat over THIS one...I guess I take Reinhart's stats more seriously becuase he is not so personally attached to the issue? or maybe his posts in general seem more reliable? I don't know...

but this whole thing is silly.

[Traviesa 0]

I'd say you answered your own question. If you are sick of reading about this then DON'T. It's not hard to NOT CLICK ON A THREAD. Really why you all get so bent out of shape about what I think is beyond me. You don't know me, you never will, so get over it.

really.

Doesn't sound like I'm the one getting bent out of shape. And by the way, I don't have anything to get over. I'm perfectly fine in this thread even with all the snippy comments suggesting that what I say somehow indicates I support illegal aliens-whatever. I'm simply saying "no I don't think we'll be able to fill all those jobs"...which a few others have said as well. This is based on my personal set of experiences and things I have heard. Why is it so scary to everyone to have an opinion that differs from your own? Or should we all just nod our heads and say, yes, I agree. Wow what an interesting thread that would be to read.

[CarolineM 0]

i'd say, not scary....but you seem to get quite defensive when anyone differs with you.

[Fuzzness 2]

I don't think anything about immigrants can be discussed objectively. So I don't know why we even bother.

Yes, I do think those jobs could be filled. Maybe not all of them, but most of them could be. I still stand by my idea of homeless people filling them up. Not all homeless people are on drugs or have serious psych problems. Some of them just made bad money decisions, or are discriminated against because they are physically handicapped (I have seen this for myself)

[Traviesa 0]

i'd say, not scary....but you seem to get quite defensive when anyone differs with you.

No, I get defensive when people automatically ASSUME that what I'm saying is because I'm personally connected with the situation-which I'm NOT. I don't have any significant illegals in my life at the moment. Javier and I talk nightly about the trouble that illegals cause for this country and for themselves. I just happen to have a different perspective on issues than most people here.

[AlmostMex 0]

In the agricultural field, there are many jobs that Americans do not want to do, but *legal* Mexicans will gladly do the same job for the same money from what I've seen. Most Mexicans aren't afraid to work hard for the money they earn; they're grateful for the opportunity. I've seen this first hand. Try finding an American willing to pressure wash hog houses, even if they are well paid. Some may say they'll do it, but after a week or 2, they start skipping work, or pretending they are doing work while they sit on their as*es. Some even last a month, but they always quit. It is very difficult to find reliable ag workers who are American citizens. Most Americans would rather work in a factory setting even when it means less pay. It didn't used to be true but I've seen it get worse.

Finding reliable, hard workers is a true issue facing American farmers in today's world.

[CarolineM 0]

Some of them just made bad money decisions, or are discriminated against because they are physically handicapped (I have seen this for myself)

well, then, it MUST be true.

[Traviesa 0]

Some of them just made bad money decisions, or are discriminated against because they are physically handicapped (I have seen this for myself)

well, then, it MUST be true.

Yup, that is true. Unfortunately, if they're physically handicapped they're going to be hard-pressed to fill one of those jobs, most of which are physical in nature.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

i would say a few Hear-say stories are less reliable than statisics. I disagree. Plus you need a national perspective. Just because what's going on in West Va. is one way - doesn't mean it's the same in California.

I'm not even referring to W.Va. There are restaurant workers there, which haven't even yet been mentioned on this thread. I'm talking about people who spent most of their lives in farm life in various states throughout the US.

They would, let me guess, be illegals that have worked on various farms that hire predominantely, well, illegals. The picture on those farms would obviously be quite a bit different than that on those farms that hire folks that they can legally employ. The people you refer to would not be welcome as workers on the latter farm and are therefore missing that part of the picture.