Border agent hit, killed by suspect's car

[Ban Hammer 13,347]

were that the case, people would not be robbing liquor stores for alcohol now would they?

The fact that some people do still rob liquor stores isn't because they want the liquor, they want the cash for...illegal drugs perhaps?

It is perfectly reasonable to make the case that legalisation would eliminate a majority of crimes related to the acquisition of drugs. Much of the reason for the crime is the profit margins that illegal substances can command. Legal drugs are really very cheap. Alcohol can be procured legally by even the poorest in society.

maybe you missed that part of the post i bolded for you......

reading issues so early in the week already for you?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I think the subheading "another one killed in the line of duty" is what triggered the whole 'it's all the fault of brown people' blah blah blah.

Good point. People need to be careful about stringing different criminal acts together in such a way that suggest a common problem.

Without fanning the flames though, I'd like to know what Charles really thinks about why drug smuggling occurs, who is to blame and how he proposes we stop it?

crackheads need crack. what more do you need to know?

maybe we can trade a crackhead for a hard working illegal, how's that plan?

So what's your solution? Don't dodge the question.

who are you again to start demanding answers? you've provided zero input to this thread but you sure want answers.

No need to be defensive, I'm simply asking you a legitimate question since you are the OP.

my opinion has zero to do with a border agent being run over by a drug smuggler. mkay?

Alrighty.

[SMOKE 1,426]

I think the subheading "another one killed in the line of duty" is what triggered the whole 'it's all the fault of brown people' blah blah blah.

Good point. People need to be careful about stringing different criminal acts together in such a way that suggest a common problem.

Without fanning the flames though, I'd like to know what Charles really thinks about why drug smuggling occurs, who is to blame and how he proposes we stop it?

crackheads need crack. what more do you need to know?

maybe we can trade a crackhead for a hard working illegal, how's that plan?

So what's your solution? Don't dodge the question.

who are you again to start demanding answers? you've provided zero input to this thread but you sure want answers.

No need to be defensive, I'm simply asking you a legitimate question since you are the OP.

my opinion has zero to do with a border agent being run over by a drug smuggler. mkay?

OR being stabbed---from dev's thread the other day so--"another one killed in the line of duty" seems to fit.

[Peikko 1,575]

Bolding it doesn't make it somehow a major crime epidemic. It's very rare for a liquor store to be robbed for the liquor for alcoholics. As I pointed out, most alcoholics can procure alcohol perfectly legally, it's extremely cheap. I would imagine that even in cases where the alcohol is indeed the target of the criminals, it's still sold off to pay for...illegal drugs perhaps? Alcohol related crime is very rarely related to theft. Illegal drug related crime often is.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Bolding it doesn't make it somehow a major crime epidemic. It's very rare for a liquor store to be robbed for the liquor for alcoholics. As I pointed out, most alcoholics can procure alcohol perfectly legally, it's extremely cheap. I would imagine that even in cases where the alcohol is indeed the target of the criminals, it's still sold off to pay for...illegal drugs perhaps? Alcohol related crime is very rarely related to theft. Illegal drug related crime often is.

I haven't heard of that happening. I have heard of hardcore alcoholics drinking listerine and lighter fuel. In any case - I'd say shoplifting is probably a more common occurrence here than (presumably armed) robbery.

[Ban Hammer 13,347]

Bolding it doesn't make it somehow a major crime epidemic. It's very rare for a liquor store to be robbed for the liquor for alcoholics. As I pointed out, most alcoholics can procure alcohol perfectly legally, it's extremely cheap. I would imagine that even in cases where the alcohol is indeed the target of the criminals, it's still sold off to pay for...illegal drugs perhaps? Alcohol related crime is very rarely related to theft. Illegal drug related crime often is.

i wasn't aware you had a background in crime statistics. i didn't say it was a major crime epidemic, now did i?

the fact remains that it (robberies of alcohol stores for alcohol) occurs. and, as you say, if alcohol is cheap so why do people rob the store for alcohol then? you know, the snatch and run game seen on cops?.

now do you really believe that drugs being legalized will result in no criminal activity by drug users to obtain the money needed to buy drugs?

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now do you really believe that drugs being legalized will result in no criminal activity by drug users to obtain the money needed to buy drugs?

less. not none.

[HAL 9000 96]

Bolding it doesn't make it somehow a major crime epidemic. It's very rare for a liquor store to be robbed for the liquor for alcoholics. As I pointed out, most alcoholics can procure alcohol perfectly legally, it's extremely cheap. I would imagine that even in cases where the alcohol is indeed the target of the criminals, it's still sold off to pay for...illegal drugs perhaps? Alcohol related crime is very rarely related to theft. Illegal drug related crime often is.

i wasn't aware you had a background in crime statistics. i didn't say it was a major crime epidemic, now did i?

the fact remains that it (robberies of alcohol stores for alcohol) occurs. and, as you say, if alcohol is cheap so why do people rob the store for alcohol then? you know, the snatch and run game seen on cops?.

now do you really believe that drugs being legalized will result in no criminal activity by drug users to obtain the money needed to buy drugs?

PH is making another argument. The focus is on creating an availability of law enforcement man hours to combat illegal behavior. On a side by side comparison, alcohol-driven crime is much less prevalent than drug-driven crime.

[Ban Hammer 13,347]

now do you really believe that drugs being legalized will result in no criminal activity by drug users to obtain the money needed to buy drugs?

less. not none.

the only decrease i see in it is the having it on one's possession would go away. that's all. the same dregs of society would still do the same things to obtain money to buy it, just the supplier has changed.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Bolding it doesn't make it somehow a major crime epidemic. It's very rare for a liquor store to be robbed for the liquor for alcoholics. As I pointed out, most alcoholics can procure alcohol perfectly legally, it's extremely cheap. I would imagine that even in cases where the alcohol is indeed the target of the criminals, it's still sold off to pay for...illegal drugs perhaps? Alcohol related crime is very rarely related to theft. Illegal drug related crime often is.

i wasn't aware you had a background in crime statistics. i didn't say it was a major crime epidemic, now did i?

the fact remains that it (robberies of alcohol stores for alcohol) occurs. and, as you say, if alcohol is cheap so why do people rob the store for alcohol then? you know, the snatch and run game seen on cops?.

now do you really believe that drugs being legalized will result in no criminal activity by drug users to obtain the money needed to buy drugs?

PH is making another argument. The focus is on creating an availability of law enforcement man hours to combat illegal behavior. On a side by side comparison, alcohol-driven crime is much less prevalent than drug-driven crime.

Precisely because alcohol is legal, and can be easily obtained. There's not much of a market for "home brew" operations, and the drunks aren't that picky (hence Listerine).

[Peikko 1,575]

the fact remains that it (robberies of alcohol stores for alcohol) occurs.

and, as you say, if alcohol is cheap so why do people rob the store for alcohol then? you know, the snatch and run game seen on cops?.

Petty theft, shop lifting, possibly but that's not one of the major crime problems that face society today now is it?

now do you really believe that drugs being legalized will result in no criminal activity by drug users to obtain the money needed to buy drugs?

I never suggested that crime would be reduced to zero, I suggested that most criminal activity that is related to the procurement of illegal drugs would be severely cut down and drug trafficking crimes would be eliminated almost entirely. However, if you refuse to see that, that's it.

[Ban Hammer 13,347]

Bolding it doesn't make it somehow a major crime epidemic. It's very rare for a liquor store to be robbed for the liquor for alcoholics. As I pointed out, most alcoholics can procure alcohol perfectly legally, it's extremely cheap. I would imagine that even in cases where the alcohol is indeed the target of the criminals, it's still sold off to pay for...illegal drugs perhaps? Alcohol related crime is very rarely related to theft. Illegal drug related crime often is.

i wasn't aware you had a background in crime statistics. i didn't say it was a major crime epidemic, now did i?

the fact remains that it (robberies of alcohol stores for alcohol) occurs. and, as you say, if alcohol is cheap so why do people rob the store for alcohol then? you know, the snatch and run game seen on cops?.

now do you really believe that drugs being legalized will result in no criminal activity by drug users to obtain the money needed to buy drugs?

PH is making another argument. The focus is on creating an availability of law enforcement man hours to combat illegal behavior. On a side by side comparison, alcohol-driven crime is much less prevalent than drug-driven crime.

so that must explain the weekend sobriety checkpoints we so often see around here. and that must also explain why about half the yoyos on cops happen to be hopped up on drugs or alcohol.

[garya505 2]

The wall socket argument is also facile. I am not suggesting we condone and support addictive behaviour, I am suggesting we control the manufacture, distribution and sale of these substances with appropriate warnings and support groups for addicts. We need to drive the illegal traffickers out of business because that's where the majority of criminal behaviour related to drug use stems from.

Blah, blah, blah. I'm tired of all this tolerance #######.

We're a sick country. Drug use is a disease. We need to kill it.

How might we achieve this?

Certainly not by tolerance, which will only encourage more drug use.

[Ban Hammer 13,347]

the fact remains that it (robberies of alcohol stores for alcohol) occurs.

and, as you say, if alcohol is cheap so why do people rob the store for alcohol then? you know, the snatch and run game seen on cops?.

Petty theft, shop lifting, possibly but that's not one of the major crime problems that face society today now is it?

now do you really believe that drugs being legalized will result in no criminal activity by drug users to obtain the money needed to buy drugs?

I never suggested that crime would be reduced to zero, I suggested that most criminal activity that is related to the procurement of illegal drugs would be severely cut down and drug trafficking crimes would be eliminated almost entirely. However, if you refuse to see that, that's it.

i don't see how legalizing it will result in this great utopia. i believe that in time, should this pass, people will rue the day it became legal.

[Peikko 1,575]

the only decrease i see in it is the having it on one's possession would go away. that's all. the same dregs of society would still do the same things to obtain money to buy it, just the supplier has changed.

So, you really don't believe that any criminal activity is directly related to illegal drug trafficking? That much of the gun crime is related to the procurement and distribution of illegal drugs? I find that incredible.