Border agent hit, killed by suspect's car

[Empress of Groovy 373]

kinda like legalizing alcohol cut down on dwi and other alcohol related crimes?

Legalizing alcohol certainly decreased crimes related to manufacture, distribution, and sale of booze.

I'd always thought that Frito-Lay would get behind legalization of marijuana.

all legalizing did was allow the government to levy a tax on it. we still have homes impacted by alcohol and people still make it if they want.

why they got a chip planned already with that in it?

I hadn't thought of that. Maybe that should be considered for the Dutch market.

I was thinking in terms of the increased Cheetos sales to satisfy weed munchies.

[Ban Hammer 13,347]

drink too much alcohol, die.

take too many drugs, die.

hmmmmm

Hmm what? You are among the many who often complain about how much of a 'nanny state' you live in. Making drugs illegal pandered to a vocal minority of fundamentalist who are ready to blame anything on the evils of 'name your poison' and would be quite ready to bring back prohibition should someone stand on a platform and suggest it.

However, yes, fundamentally we have a proportion of society who are prone to addictive behaviour. We have no idea why they become addicted to the substances they become addicted to, and once again, this has nothing to do with whether a substance is illegal or not. All we know for sure is that it happens and I for one do not subscribe to the idea that it's 'devil's work'.

i'm quite familiar with it. give us your version and let's see how rosy it was before during and after

That's just meaningless twaddle Charles. Either put your opinion forward or leave the argument.

just because your kid wants to stick his finger in the wall socket don't mean you should let him. nor do i want to be driving down the road with some high as a kite driver on the road too. it's bad enough with alcohol, and you want to add more idiots to the mix?

my opinion was put forth, apparently you can't form one or provide any lengthy reply back without resorting to temper tantrums.

[Peikko 1,575]

You think there aren't people driving around daily high on a cocktail of illegal and legal substances? The percentage isn't going to change, but we might have a clearer idea who these people are, and we might just be able to do something to help them.

You didn't put forward anything, you said and I quote

i'm quite familiar with it. give us your version and let's see how rosy it was before during and after

If that's an opinion, I'm clearly Chinese.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Legalising substances doesn't legalise the crime of abusing them - especially in relation to driving cars or operating machinery.

Would legalisation make those kind of abuse crimes more likely? Who knows... but I rather doubt it.

[Peikko 1,575]

The wall socket argument is also facile. I am not suggesting we condone and support addictive behaviour, I am suggesting we control the manufacture, distribution and sale of these substances with appropriate warnings and support groups for addicts. We need to drive the illegal traffickers out of business because that's where the majority of criminal behaviour related to drug use stems from.

[Peikko 1,575]

Lol, I missed the temper tantrums part of that post. Really Charles, I wonder what age you are as you can't seem to see the wood for the trees.

[Ban Hammer 13,347]

You think there aren't people driving around daily high on a cocktail of illegal and legal substances? The percentage isn't going to change, but we might have a clearer idea who these people are, and we might just be able to do something to help them.

You didn't put forward anything, you said and I quote

i'm quite familiar with it. give us your version and let's see how rosy it was before during and after

If that's an opinion, I'm clearly Chinese.

i never said there was not people driving around high on both legal and illegal. in fact, i said there already was with "nor do i want to be driving down the road with some high as a kite driver on the road too. it's bad enough with alcohol, and you want to add more idiots to the mix?"

or do you think that making it legal will result in less clowns on the road high on drugs?

i'm also aware of what i said. you've not provided any proof whatsoever of anything related to the prohibition era, so spare me your little temper tantrums and ethnic jokes.

The wall socket argument is also facile. I am not suggesting we condone and support addictive behaviour, I am suggesting we control the manufacture, distribution and sale of these substances with appropriate warnings and support groups for addicts. We need to drive the illegal traffickers out of business because that's where the majority of criminal behaviour related to drug use stems from.

and i disagree with that. but i guess that's too difficult for you to understand?

Lol, I missed the temper tantrums part of that post. Really Charles, I wonder what age you are as you can't seem to see the wood for the trees.

since you seem to have a thing for personal attacks, i'll leave seeing the wood to you

[garya505 2]

The wall socket argument is also facile. I am not suggesting we condone and support addictive behaviour, I am suggesting we control the manufacture, distribution and sale of these substances with appropriate warnings and support groups for addicts. We need to drive the illegal traffickers out of business because that's where the majority of criminal behaviour related to drug use stems from.

Blah, blah, blah. I'm tired of all this tolerance #######.

We're a sick country. Drug use is a disease. We need to kill it.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The wall socket argument is also facile. I am not suggesting we condone and support addictive behaviour, I am suggesting we control the manufacture, distribution and sale of these substances with appropriate warnings and support groups for addicts. We need to drive the illegal traffickers out of business because that's where the majority of criminal behaviour related to drug use stems from.

Blah, blah, blah. I'm tired of all this tolerance #######.

We're a sick country. Drug use is a disease. We need to kill it.

How might we achieve this?

Edited January 22, 2008 by Number 6

[Peikko 1,575]

Spare you? Lol, sometimes you are very funny. Regardless, initially, no I don't think there would be less 'clowns on the road'. However, I do think there would be an enormous beneficial impact from removing the profit from illegal drugs from the hands of the illegal traffickers and suppliers. I think there would be an enormous benefit from reducing the criminal behavior of addicts trying to get their hands on the wherewithal to buy illegal drugs. This problem needs to be brought out in the open if we stand any chance of dealing with it. Pushing it under the carpet is not helping anyone at all.

[HAL 9000 96]

Legalising substances doesn't legalise the crime of abusing them - especially in relation to driving cars or operating machinery.

Would legalisation make those kind of abuse crimes more likely? Who knows... but I rather doubt it.

Exactly. It does, furthermore, take away the illegality of smuggling the controlled substance.

Then people can focus on just enforcing the immigration part of the deal at the border.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Historically it hasn't really worked. The so-called "war on drugs" is nothing more than a feel-good catch-phrase.

[Peikko 1,575]

Drug use is a disease, that's true, but as yet no one has got a handle as to what causes addictive behavior nor have they found a universally applicable solution to it. However, again, just making certain chemical substances illegal doesn't seem to be doing very much to control the amount of addicts out there. Nor does it prevent a huge swathe of crime that can be directly attributed to addicts and traffickers. However some people do seem to be in denial as to that reality.

[Ban Hammer 13,347]

Spare you? Lol, sometimes you are very funny. Regardless, initially, no I don't think there would be less 'clowns on the road'. However, I do think there would be an enormous beneficial impact from removing the profit from illegal drugs from the hands of the illegal traffickers and suppliers. I think there would be an enormous benefit from reducing the criminal behavior of addicts trying to get their hands on the wherewithal to buy illegal drugs. This problem needs to be brought out in the open if we stand any chance of dealing with it. Pushing it under the carpet is not helping anyone at all.

now we are getting somewhere. so earlier you were on about big brother, now you want the profit to be in the hands of the government instead? i fail to see how that's an improvement. nor do i see any benefit to it being legalized in regards to reducing the criminal behavior of addicts. maybe you can provide something that indicates such.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I think the subheading "another one killed in the line of duty" is what triggered the whole 'it's all the fault of brown people' blah blah blah.

Good point. People need to be careful about stringing different criminal acts together in such a way that suggest a common problem.

Without fanning the flames though, I'd like to know what Charles really thinks about why drug smuggling occurs, who is to blame and how he proposes we stop it?