Border agent hit, killed by suspect's car

[HAL 9000 96]

Aahhh... Final Solutions... we know how those go!

So yeah, its probably simpler and cheaper on society putting dealers out of business by creating competition with the government. We all know the government hates competition.

[garya505 2]

Is this your final solution to the drug problem?

Sorry you're having trouble understanding. Maybe this will help:

The Scorpion and the Frog

One day, a scorpion looked around at the mountain where he lived and decided that he wanted a change. So he set out on a journey through the forests and hills. He climbed over rocks and under vines and kept going until he reached a river.

The river was wide and swift, and the scorpion stopped to reconsider the situation. He couldn't see any way across. So he ran upriver and then checked downriver, all the while thinking that he might have to turn back.

Suddenly, he saw a frog sitting in the rushes by the bank of the stream on the other side of the river. He decided to ask the frog for help getting across the stream.

"Hellooo Mr. Frog!" called the scorpion across the water, "Would you be so kind as to give me a ride on your back across the river?"

"Well now, Mr. Scorpion! How do I know that if I try to help you, you wont try to kill me?" asked the frog hesitantly.

"Because," the scorpion replied, "If I try to kill you, then I would die too, for you see I cannot swim!"

Now this seemed to make sense to the frog. But he asked. "What about when I get close to the bank? You could still try to kill me and get back to the shore!"

"This is true," agreed the scorpion, "But then I wouldn't be able to get to the other side of the river!"

"Alright then...how do I know you wont just wait till we get to the other side and THEN kill me?" said the frog.

"Ahh...," crooned the scorpion, "Because you see, once you've taken me to the other side of this river, I will be so grateful for your help, that it would hardly be fair to reward you with death, now would it?!"

So the frog agreed to take the scorpion across the river. He swam over to the bank and settled himself near the mud to pick up his passenger. The scorpion crawled onto the frog's back, his sharp claws prickling into the frog's soft hide, and the frog slid into the river. The muddy water swirled around them, but the frog stayed near the surface so the scorpion would not drown. He kicked strongly through the first half of the stream, his flippers paddling wildly against the current.

Halfway across the river, the frog suddenly felt a sharp sting in his back and, out of the corner of his eye, saw the scorpion remove his stinger from the frog's back. A deadening numbness began to creep into his limbs.

"You fool!" croaked the frog, "Now we shall both die! Why on earth did you do that?"

The scorpion shrugged, and did a little jig on the drownings frog's back.

"I could not help myself. It is my nature."

Then they both sank into the muddy waters of the swiftly flowing river.

Self destruction - "Its my Nature", said the Scorpion...

[Peikko 1,575]

I can't take anyone seriously who believes it's ok to kill people for the offense of drug dealing and then for good measure states that it's either kill them or they'll kill us. You do realize what you are suggesting is grotesque don't you?

[garya505 2]

I can't take anyone seriously who believes it's ok to kill people for the offense of drug dealing and then for good measure states that it's either kill them or they'll kill us. You do realize what you are suggesting is grotesque don't you?

OK, maybe you'll like this one better:

THE FARMER AND THE VIPER

One winter a Farmer found a Viper frozen and numb with cold, and out of pity picked it up and placed it in his bosom. The Viper was no sooner revived by the warmth than it turned upon its benefactor and inflicted a fatal bite upon him; and as the poor man lay dying, he cried, "I have only got what I deserved, for taking compassion on so villainous a creature."

Kindness is thrown away upon the evil.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Wow - we're onto parables now. This is like the Twilight Zone

BTW - Sociopathic personality disorder is a psychological disorder. I wonder how many drug dealers really have that...

[HAL 9000 96]

More like overly competitive disorder... and the law can take care of that pretty fast.

[garya505 2]

Wow - we're onto parables now. This is like the Twilight Zone

BTW - Sociopathic personality disorder is a psychological disorder. I wonder how many drug dealers really have that...

I didn't say drug dealers would be diagnosed with any kind psychological disorder. I said the are sociopathic predators, which is just a description of their behavior.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Wow - we're onto parables now. This is like the Twilight Zone

BTW - Sociopathic personality disorder is a psychological disorder. I wonder how many drug dealers really have that...

I didn't say drug dealers would be diagnosed with any kind psychological disorder. I said the are sociopathic predators, which is just a description of their behavior.

Sociopathic implies sociopathy. Sociopathy being a psychological disorder.

[garya505 2]

Wow - we're onto parables now. This is like the Twilight Zone

BTW - Sociopathic personality disorder is a psychological disorder. I wonder how many drug dealers really have that...

I didn't say drug dealers would be diagnosed with any kind psychological disorder. I said the are sociopathic predators, which is just a description of their behavior.

Sociopathic implies sociopathy. Sociopathy being a psychological disorder.

Well then, there's our solution! We'll just inform them that they can't behave like that without a proper diagnosis of a psychological disorder from a licensed professional.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Wow - we're onto parables now. This is like the Twilight Zone

BTW - Sociopathic personality disorder is a psychological disorder. I wonder how many drug dealers really have that...

I didn't say drug dealers would be diagnosed with any kind psychological disorder. I said the are sociopathic predators, which is just a description of their behavior.

Sociopathic implies sociopathy. Sociopathy being a psychological disorder.

Well then, there's our solution! We'll just inform them that they can't behave like that without a proper diagnosis of a psychological disorder from a licensed professional.

You can describe it how you want. Whether its true is another matter - even if it does make it easier to write off a whole bunch of people as being unworthy to live.

[Caladan 19]

Legalizing drugs is not advocating drug addiction and the like...just as alcohol isn't legal to advocate drunk driving.

People are missing the point.

I know that's been said before, but it's worth noting again. The funny thing is, in econ 4 in college (I was a biz major), we studied the illegal drug problem as an economic problem...short of diminishing demand, or legalizing drugs, there's absolutely nothing we can do to diminish the criminal activity that is a result of the drug trade. We can put every dealer behind bars til the cows come home...a new one will crop up, and the short supply they may have from a seizure or two by the feds will only make the mkt value of the drugs out there higher & more in demand.

These people sell to kids...YOUNG kids. When was the last time a 10 year old could buy cigs or booze in 7-11? Or when was the last time you saw a corner dealer selling moonshine and cigarettes? Hrmmmmmm?

It sounds like your college professor was trying to promote a liberal social position with economic analysis, and it worked (at least with you). That kind of thing worked with me too, the first time I was in college.

Erm, no he wasn't. I would normally agree had there not been 2 alternative solutions...legalize or kill demand. It's not a subjective theory...it's based in simple mathematical equations. Economically speaking, it makes sense....if there's a demand, someone will supply. Killing the supply only heightens demand and increases mkt value with the reamaining supply as it grew in value simply for still being available. Killing demand...you tell me what that'll do to the value of the supply.

if the problems we're speaking of are drugs on the street and relating crime (drug wars and the like) ....why don't you enlighten us all and tell us what your 'big solution' is!

by no means am I suggesting that all crime will cease, btw.

Kill the demand by making penalties brutally severe.

You can already get life in prison for POSSESSION. Hasn't budged demand a bit.

Lisa's right. Prohibition was already tried, it didn't work, and it's only a "liberal" position if you think "liberal" means "something that has to do with facts that I don't like."

[SMOKE 1,426]

You can already get life in prison for POSSESSION. Hasn't budged demand a bit.

you can ???

[Fandango 1,439]

You can already get life in prison for POSSESSION. Hasn't budged demand a bit.

you can ???

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=107161

[SMOKE 1,426]

You can already get life in prison for POSSESSION. Hasn't budged demand a bit.

you can ???

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=107161

"And don't even think about getting busted in Oklahoma, where a first time conviction for minor pot possession can net you up to one year in jail, or up to ten years if you're found guilty of a second offense. Thinking of growing your own? That'll cost you a $20,000 fine, and -- oh yeah -- anywhere from two years to life in prison."

UMM BS!

i was busted for poss. in Ok in 2001....$100 ticket misdemenor. them reduced to disorderly.

cultivation is a different story...carries the same penalty as manufacturing.

Edited January 28, 2008 by SMOKE

[garya505 2]

Wow - we're onto parables now. This is like the Twilight Zone

BTW - Sociopathic personality disorder is a psychological disorder. I wonder how many drug dealers really have that...

I didn't say drug dealers would be diagnosed with any kind psychological disorder. I said the are sociopathic predators, which is just a description of their behavior.

Sociopathic implies sociopathy. Sociopathy being a psychological disorder.

Well then, there's our solution! We'll just inform them that they can't behave like that without a proper diagnosis of a psychological disorder from a licensed professional.

You can describe it how you want. Whether its true is another matter - even if it does make it easier to write off a whole bunch of people as being unworthy to live.

Yeah, and if you've never been a victim it makes it easier to explain away and justify criminal behavior.