Border agent hit, killed by suspect's car

[Empress of Groovy 373]

Legalizing drugs is not advocating drug addiction and the like...just as alcohol isn't legal to advocate drunk driving.

People are missing the point.

I know that's been said before, but it's worth noting again. The funny thing is, in econ 4 in college (I was a biz major), we studied the illegal drug problem as an economic problem...short of diminishing demand, or legalizing drugs, there's absolutely nothing we can do to diminish the criminal activity that is a result of the drug trade. We can put every dealer behind bars til the cows come home...a new one will crop up, and the short supply they may have from a seizure or two by the feds will only make the mkt value of the drugs out there higher & more in demand.

These people sell to kids...YOUNG kids. When was the last time a 10 year old could buy cigs or booze in 7-11? Or when was the last time you saw a corner dealer selling moonshine and cigarettes? Hrmmmmmm?

It sounds like your college professor was trying to promote a liberal social position with economic analysis, and it worked (at least with you). That kind of thing worked with me too, the first time I was in college.

It's more of a libertarian argument, not a "liberal social position."

[Fandango 1,439]

Legalizing drugs is not advocating drug addiction and the like...just as alcohol isn't legal to advocate drunk driving.

People are missing the point.

I know that's been said before, but it's worth noting again. The funny thing is, in econ 4 in college (I was a biz major), we studied the illegal drug problem as an economic problem...short of diminishing demand, or legalizing drugs, there's absolutely nothing we can do to diminish the criminal activity that is a result of the drug trade. We can put every dealer behind bars til the cows come home...a new one will crop up, and the short supply they may have from a seizure or two by the feds will only make the mkt value of the drugs out there higher & more in demand.

These people sell to kids...YOUNG kids. When was the last time a 10 year old could buy cigs or booze in 7-11? Or when was the last time you saw a corner dealer selling moonshine and cigarettes? Hrmmmmmm?

It sounds like your college professor was trying to promote a liberal social position with economic analysis, and it worked (at least with you). That kind of thing worked with me too, the first time I was in college.

Erm, no he wasn't. I would normally agree had there not been 2 alternative solutions...legalize or kill demand. It's not a subjective theory...it's based in simple mathematical equations. Economically speaking, it makes sense....if there's a demand, someone will supply. Killing the supply only heightens demand and increases mkt value with the reamaining supply as it grew in value simply for still being available. Killing demand...you tell me what that'll do to the value of the supply.

if the problems we're speaking of are drugs on the street and relating crime (drug wars and the like) ....why don't you enlighten us all and tell us what your 'big solution' is!

by no means am I suggesting that all crime will cease, btw.

[Fandango 1,439]

couldn't type anymore in one post from my fone...but I lolled at the notion you think I sop up 'lib social opins' or even that its a lib position in the first place.

*hugz to Lucky and AOS Desp*

[garya505 2]

Legalizing drugs is not advocating drug addiction and the like...just as alcohol isn't legal to advocate drunk driving.

People are missing the point.

I know that's been said before, but it's worth noting again. The funny thing is, in econ 4 in college (I was a biz major), we studied the illegal drug problem as an economic problem...short of diminishing demand, or legalizing drugs, there's absolutely nothing we can do to diminish the criminal activity that is a result of the drug trade. We can put every dealer behind bars til the cows come home...a new one will crop up, and the short supply they may have from a seizure or two by the feds will only make the mkt value of the drugs out there higher & more in demand.

These people sell to kids...YOUNG kids. When was the last time a 10 year old could buy cigs or booze in 7-11? Or when was the last time you saw a corner dealer selling moonshine and cigarettes? Hrmmmmmm?

It sounds like your college professor was trying to promote a liberal social position with economic analysis, and it worked (at least with you). That kind of thing worked with me too, the first time I was in college.

Erm, no he wasn't. I would normally agree had there not been 2 alternative solutions...legalize or kill demand. It's not a subjective theory...it's based in simple mathematical equations. Economically speaking, it makes sense....if there's a demand, someone will supply. Killing the supply only heightens demand and increases mkt value with the reamaining supply as it grew in value simply for still being available. Killing demand...you tell me what that'll do to the value of the supply.

if the problems we're speaking of are drugs on the street and relating crime (drug wars and the like) ....why don't you enlighten us all and tell us what your 'big solution' is!

by no means am I suggesting that all crime will cease, btw.

Kill the demand by making penalties brutally severe.

[HAL 9000 96]

Only logical way to reduce the mathematical quotient that creates a demand is by reducing it down to zero.

Penalizing drug use does not address the social or psychological roots, and thus, cause of the demand. Economics comes into play as a secondary consequence of psychological foundation.

Legalization deals with decriminalizing the dealer to a point where their competition goes up against the regulatory dinosaur that is the government. Guess who wins in that case? Not the dealer.

Crime reduces from that aspect, government proceeds increase. Law enforcement focuses on attending to bad boys and girls.

[Fandango 1,439]

Kill the demand by making penalties brutally severe.

that does nothing to address 'demand'...that is actually addressing 'supply'.

And haven't we been doing that for yonks now? Don't dealers go away for life as it is?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Kill the demand by making penalties brutally severe.

that does nothing to address 'demand'...that is actually addressing 'supply'.

And haven't we been doing that for yonks now? Don't dealers go away for life as it is?

Besides, the prisons are full to capacity as-is....

[garya505 2]

Kill the demand by making penalties brutally severe.

that does nothing to address 'demand'...that is actually addressing 'supply'.

And haven't we been doing that for yonks now? Don't dealers go away for life as it is?

I wasn't talking about just the dealers.

Kill the demand by making penalties brutally severe.

that does nothing to address 'demand'...that is actually addressing 'supply'.

And haven't we been doing that for yonks now? Don't dealers go away for life as it is?

Besides, the prisons are full to capacity as-is....

Death penalty for repeat-offender drug dealers.

[HAL 9000 96]

Another penalty that does not stop killers from killing: The death penalty. Though I consider it necessary at times, it does nothing to stop the criminal from murdering.

Hence, it is not even closely or logically effective in application to other 'crimes'...

[Peikko 1,575]

It's logical if your objective is to euthenise those who you believe don't have a right to a place in society. I think this theory of how to deal with criminals has been explored elsewhere with erm, interesting results.

[garya505 2]

Another penalty that does not stop killers from killing: The death penalty. Though I consider it necessary at times, it does nothing to stop the criminal from murdering.

Hence, it is not even closely or logically effective in application to other 'crimes'...

Actually putting a killer in prison for life with no parole, or executing them, does stop them from killing again (at least from killing anyone on the outside of prison).

It's logical if your objective is to euthenise those who you believe don't have a right to a place in society. I think this theory of how to deal with criminals has been explored elsewhere with erm, interesting results.

Sociopathic predators do not have a place in a civilized society.

[Peikko 1,575]

You were talking about the death penalty not only for dealers but you appeared to suggest that this was an appropriate sentence for drug users as well. You now seem to believe that all these people are "Sociopathic predators". As I said euthenising criminals has been tried before...

[garya505 2]

You were talking about the death penalty not only for dealers but you appeared to suggest that this was an appropriate sentence for drug users as well. You now seem to believe that all these people are "Sociopathic predators". As I said euthenising criminals has been tried before...

A sociopathic predator (drug dealer) goes after the weak and the vulnerable, those who are too stupid or weak to resist the temptation.

Much as the wolf goes after the weakest in the herd, but at least the wolf has place in the natural order of things. Of course some herd animals are strong enough and smart enough to turn and fight the wolf, and if he knows it he'll back down or be killed himself.

[Peikko 1,575]

Is this your final solution to the drug problem?

[almaty 19]

wow, unbelieveable sh!t here..vh sheesh..