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Ok, so he didn't quite say that. This is what he did say:
He also rejected calls for mass deportation.

'How do you do this logistically?' he asked. 'How does that work? You send 12 million people back. It would cost $500 billion. Who`s going to pay for that? I mean, this is ludicrous to think this way.'

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Now, 500 billion / 12 million = 41,666.6667

So he's saying deporting illegal immigrants will cost over $40K PER PERSON.

What do you all think about this statement? Is deportation really that expensive?

I think it's part of the BS campaign to bring about the amnesty that politicians and profiteers (kinda the same, really) want.

i agree..part of the bush admin push for this.

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Ok, so he didn't quite say that. This is what he did say:

He also rejected calls for mass deportation.

'How do you do this logistically?' he asked. 'How does that work? You send 12 million people back. It would cost $500 billion. Who`s going to pay for that? I mean, this is ludicrous to think this way.'

http://news.monstersandcritics.com/northam..._citizenship%60

Now, 500 billion / 12 million = 41,666.6667

So he's saying deporting illegal immigrants will cost over $40K PER PERSON.

What do you all think about this statement? Is deportation really that expensive?

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:wacko: Arnold is an idiot!! :wacko:

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I could see the cost running that high. Think of it this way 95% of all cases never see a day in court. They are pleaded to guilty pleas, etc. Now think of 12 million or more people faced with Deportation--I don't see where 95% of them would plead to waive their day in court and be deported without a hearing etc. So yeah when you add in the pay for Lawyers--as many of these illegal aliens will need government paid representation and then the lawyers on the INS side plus investigation, court cost, temporary housing or detainment, food, housing , medical, and transportation back to their original country, plus added appeals delays and what not--40K might be an understatement of the actual price to deport someone.

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The moron also suggests closing the borders to ALL immigrants, not just illegal ones, but ALL! from EVERYWHERE. :blink:

I dont see a president seat in his future.

And i dont see how deporting a single person would cost $40K, unless he was pocketing $39K to help with the deportation.

I think his Terminator A$$ should be deported. He is such a dip #######. He can spend the people money in Calif. to have a election to get some of his buddy props passed, which he just sh!t in the fan and did not relize that that Sh!t hit him right back in the face... Now he has dodo on his face :lol::lol:

Yes no future for him as the President.. ONE Reason is this, He is not born in the United States which states in the consitution...but the way the GOP's running things by the time bush is out of office it wont mean anything cause we wont have the rights..it is on the way..

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Isn't Arnie an immigrant himself tho? :blink:

Seems a bit whack to suggest not allowing ANY immigrants in - given his personal history..I smell a soundbite...

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only reason it might cost that much is the continual lawsuits by radical liberals and the aclu

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I could see the cost running that high. Think of it this way 95% of all cases never see a day in court. They are pleaded to guilty pleas, etc. Now think of 12 million or more people faced with Deportation--I don't see where 95% of them would plead to waive their day in court and be deported without a hearing etc.

The cost would be substantial. If you are deporting/denying entry to someone at the border, there is no requirement for due process. (US Constitution does not apply at borders).

On the other hand, if you are arrested or detained in the US, the right to habeus corpus should exist (right to be brought before a judge within 72 hours). Lincoln suspended this right, supreme court ruled it unconstitutional. Bush has played around with suspending it as well, though the legality of this is still suspect.

Ultimately, it is still necessary to PROVE that someone is here illegally. I have family members with no documentation proving their US citizenship. (Born here, no birth certificate from when city hall burned down 70 years ago..)

And how do you find these 12 million people in the first place? Search every house?

My great grandmother was born in Canada. When she died, she had no proof that she was here legally... (She came here in 1897, I saw her birth certificate) Never got a green card. What would you do with people like her?

Most US Citizens don't carry around proof of their legal status. Therefore, I don't think it is reasonable to deport people solely based on their failure to produce documentation.

The most common way to verify citizenship is SSN checks. Do you trust that these records are correct? While I was in the Air Force, my SSN was wrong. (Typical goverment paperwork screwup.) I'm sure the error with mine was not the only mistake ever made. Not all citizens have SSNs. Do you deport them?

Ultimately, any attempt to deport large numbers of illegal aliens will result in some citizens and legal residents being detained or deported. The only way to prevent this would be to allow suspected illegals some sort of appeal. This will be expensive.

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I could see the cost running that high. Think of it this way 95% of all cases never see a day in court. They are pleaded to guilty pleas, etc. Now think of 12 million or more people faced with Deportation--I don't see where 95% of them would plead to waive their day in court and be deported without a hearing etc.

The cost would be substantial. If you are deporting/denying entry to someone at the border, there is no requirement for due process. (US Constitution does not apply at borders).

On the other hand, if you are arrested or detained in the US, the right to habeus corpus should exist (right to be brought before a judge within 72 hours). Lincoln suspended this right, supreme court ruled it unconstitutional. Bush has played around with suspending it as well, though the legality of this is still suspect.

Ultimately, it is still necessary to PROVE that someone is here illegally. I have family members with no documentation proving their US citizenship. (Born here, no birth certificate from when city hall burned down 70 years ago..)

And how do you find these 12 million people in the first place? Search every house?

My great grandmother was born in Canada. When she died, she had no proof that she was here legally... (She came here in 1897, I saw her birth certificate) Never got a green card. What would you do with people like her?

Most US Citizens don't carry around proof of their legal status. Therefore, I don't think it is reasonable to deport people solely based on their failure to produce documentation.

The most common way to verify citizenship is SSN checks. Do you trust that these records are correct? While I was in the Air Force, my SSN was wrong. (Typical goverment paperwork screwup.) I'm sure the error with mine was not the only mistake ever made. Not all citizens have SSNs. Do you deport them?

Ultimately, any attempt to deport large numbers of illegal aliens will result in some citizens and legal residents being detained or deported. The only way to prevent this would be to allow suspected illegals some sort of appeal. This will be expensive.

The likelihood of a citizen actually being deported is slim to none. When you actually are arrested and taken into deportation proceedings, one of the first things they do is determine your country of citizenship. If let's say Mexico's consulate says you're not Mexican, they can't very well send you there.

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And how do you find these 12 million people in the first place? Search every house?

Word on the street is that they'll be gathering in many cities on May 1. Word on the street is also that the SSA can identify many an employer that has multiple employees working on the same and/or on fake SSN's. That's how you find them. It ain't that finding them is rocket science. It is that finding them is something the government is not interested in because big (and small) businesses profit too well from their very presence.

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If they gave me $40,000 id deport myself :D

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I could see the cost running that high. Think of it this way 95% of all cases never see a day in court. They are pleaded to guilty pleas, etc. Now think of 12 million or more people faced with Deportation--I don't see where 95% of them would plead to waive their day in court and be deported without a hearing etc.

The cost would be substantial. If you are deporting/denying entry to someone at the border, there is no requirement for due process. (US Constitution does not apply at borders).

On the other hand, if you are arrested or detained in the US, the right to habeus corpus should exist (right to be brought before a judge within 72 hours). Lincoln suspended this right, supreme court ruled it unconstitutional. Bush has played around with suspending it as well, though the legality of this is still suspect.

Ultimately, it is still necessary to PROVE that someone is here illegally. I have family members with no documentation proving their US citizenship. (Born here, no birth certificate from when city hall burned down 70 years ago..)

And how do you find these 12 million people in the first place? Search every house?

My great grandmother was born in Canada. When she died, she had no proof that she was here legally... (She came here in 1897, I saw her birth certificate) Never got a green card. What would you do with people like her?

Most US Citizens don't carry around proof of their legal status. Therefore, I don't think it is reasonable to deport people solely based on their failure to produce documentation.

The most common way to verify citizenship is SSN checks. Do you trust that these records are correct? While I was in the Air Force, my SSN was wrong. (Typical goverment paperwork screwup.) I'm sure the error with mine was not the only mistake ever made. Not all citizens have SSNs. Do you deport them?

Ultimately, any attempt to deport large numbers of illegal aliens will result in some citizens and legal residents being detained or deported. The only way to prevent this would be to allow suspected illegals some sort of appeal. This will be expensive.

The likelihood of a citizen actually being deported is slim to none. When you actually are arrested and taken into deportation proceedings, one of the first things they do is determine your country of citizenship. If let's say Mexico's consulate says you're not Mexican, they can't very well send you there.

It might be a slim likelihood--but it has happened historically and does happen today still.

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no papers? deport the free-loaders....

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