IMBRA law question

[Stephen1 0]

I just looked at the site again and it looks like I couldve joined for free but would have had to wait to be contacted by someone. The 20 dollars allowed me to contact anyone I wanted.So possibley the site isnt considered a marraige broker since its only the premium service that they want money for. Still not 100 percent sure though. Hopefully my 129f goes well regardless.

[pushbrk 13,178]

I just looked at the site again and it looks like I couldve joined for free but would have had to wait to be contacted by someone. The 20 dollars allowed me to contact anyone I wanted.So possibley the site isnt considered a marraige broker since its only the premium service that they want money for. Still not 100 percent sure though. Hopefully my 129f goes well regardless.

Hell no, it's not an International Marriage Broker. It's at most an internet dating site.

[Kazan' Tiger 1]

Then help me please understand how they are not. They charge money to arrange a social referral. Don't they? Take a look at Elena's Models. How are they different? They charge money in the same way this site does. Free or premium. They, themselves, admit they fall under the category IMB. I really do not see a difference.

I just looked at the site again and it looks like I couldve joined for free but would have had to wait to be contacted by someone. The 20 dollars allowed me to contact anyone I wanted.So possibley the site isnt considered a marraige broker since its only the premium service that they want money for. Still not 100 percent sure though. Hopefully my 129f goes well regardless.

Hell no, it's not an International Marriage Broker. It's at most an internet dating site.

Edited January 16, 2008 by Kazan' Tiger

[Stephen1 0]

I really hope thats all it is cause I put "no" on my I129f, the site is geared towards americans meeting filipinas which does seem to fit into the definition. Just curious as to what clasifies something as a IMB

[pushbrk 13,178]

Then help me please understand how they are not. They charge money to arrange a social referral. Don't they? Take a look at Elena's Models. How are they different? They charge money in the same way this site does. Free or premium. They, themselves, admit they fall under the category IMB. I really do not see a difference.

I just looked at the site again and it looks like I couldve joined for free but would have had to wait to be contacted by someone. The 20 dollars allowed me to contact anyone I wanted.So possibley the site isnt considered a marraige broker since its only the premium service that they want money for. Still not 100 percent sure though. Hopefully my 129f goes well regardless.

Hell no, it's not an International Marriage Broker. It's at most an internet dating site.

To understand, one must read not only the IMB description but the specific exclusions. You'll find the "primary business" exclusion most compelling in this case.

Read carefully and interpret literally. Start here:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=72245

Edited January 16, 2008 by pushbrk

[Kazan' Tiger 1]

Eureka Pushbrk. By Section 833(e)(4)(B) exception you are correct, this site is not an IMB. So, curiously, why do so many Dating sites state they are an IMB and their attorneys agree? Indeed they charge "comparable rates" along nationality lines and do not target Americans as principal business interest?

Then help me please understand how they are not. They charge money to arrange a social referral. Don't they? Take a look at Elena's Models. How are they different? They charge money in the same way this site does. Free or premium. They, themselves, admit they fall under the category IMB. I really do not see a difference.

I just looked at the site again and it looks like I couldve joined for free but would have had to wait to be contacted by someone. The 20 dollars allowed me to contact anyone I wanted.So possibley the site isnt considered a marraige broker since its only the premium service that they want money for. Still not 100 percent sure though. Hopefully my 129f goes well regardless.

Hell no, it's not an International Marriage Broker. It's at most an internet dating site.

To understand, one must read not only the IMB description but the specific exclusions. You'll find the "primary business" exclusion most compelling in this case.

Read carefully and interpret literally. Start here:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=72245

Edited January 16, 2008 by Kazan' Tiger

[pushbrk 13,178]

There may be some. I'm not aware of any. Examples?

Eureka Pushbrk. By Section 833(e)(4)(B) exception you are correct, this site is not an IMB. So, curiously, why do so many Dating sites state they are an IMB and their attorneys agree? Indeed they charge "comparable rates" along nationality lines and do not target Americans as principal business interest?

Then help me please understand how they are not. They charge money to arrange a social referral. Don't they? Take a look at Elena's Models. How are they different? They charge money in the same way this site does. Free or premium. They, themselves, admit they fall under the category IMB. I really do not see a difference.

I just looked at the site again and it looks like I couldve joined for free but would have had to wait to be contacted by someone. The 20 dollars allowed me to contact anyone I wanted.So possibley the site isnt considered a marraige broker since its only the premium service that they want money for. Still not 100 percent sure though. Hopefully my 129f goes well regardless.

Hell no, it's not an International Marriage Broker. It's at most an internet dating site.

To understand, one must read not only the IMB description but the specific exclusions. You'll find the "primary business" exclusion most compelling in this case.

Read carefully and interpret literally. Start here:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=72245

[Justin and Masako 0]

Then help me please understand how they are not. They charge money to arrange a social referral. Don't they? Take a look at Elena's Models. How are they different? They charge money in the same way this site does. Free or premium. They, themselves, admit they fall under the category IMB. I really do not see a difference.

I just looked at the site again and it looks like I couldve joined for free but would have had to wait to be contacted by someone. The 20 dollars allowed me to contact anyone I wanted.So possibley the site isnt considered a marraige broker since its only the premium service that they want money for. Still not 100 percent sure though. Hopefully my 129f goes well regardless.

Hell no, it's not an International Marriage Broker. It's at most an internet dating site.

To understand, one must read not only the IMB description but the specific exclusions. You'll find the "primary business" exclusion most compelling in this case.

Read carefully and interpret literally. Start here:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=72245

I read that topic and just posted to it. I provided info on a site but while I am inclined to thing that it is not an IMB I really couldn't say for sure from what I have read. Though I am pretty sure that it wouldn't impact our petition either way.

Give it a read and let me know what you think.

[payxibka 10,047]

Though I am pretty sure that it wouldn't impact our petition either way.

Certainly appears to be the situation... many on either side of the question have had there petitions approved and visas granted.

[Kazan' Tiger 1]

Well, my opinion is Elena's Models for one. They are an Australian firm and I discussed their IMB status with the owners back when the law first appeared. They have always charged the same rate to all clients regardless of nationality. Their site is filled with members of both genders from all over the world. (Although most females are from Russia and the CIS) They hardly target Americans as principal business. I do not see how they are.

There may be some. I'm not aware of any. Examples?

Eureka Pushbrk. By Section 833(e)(4)( B) exception you are correct, this site is not an IMB. So, curiously, why do so many Dating sites state they are an IMB and their attorneys agree? Indeed they charge "comparable rates" along nationality lines and do not target Americans as principal business interest?

Then help me please understand how they are not. They charge money to arrange a social referral. Don't they? Take a look at Elena's Models. How are they different? They charge money in the same way this site does. Free or premium. They, themselves, admit they fall under the category IMB. I really do not see a difference.

I just looked at the site again and it looks like I couldve joined for free but would have had to wait to be contacted by someone. The 20 dollars allowed me to contact anyone I wanted.So possibley the site isnt considered a marraige broker since its only the premium service that they want money for. Still not 100 percent sure though. Hopefully my 129f goes well regardless.

Hell no, it's not an International Marriage Broker. It's at most an internet dating site.

To understand, one must read not only the IMB description but the specific exclusions. You'll find the "primary business" exclusion most compelling in this case.

Read carefully and interpret literally. Start here:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=72245

[pushbrk 13,178]

Well, my opinion is Elena's Models for one. They are an Australian firm and I discussed their IMB status with the owners back when the law first appeared. They have always charged the same rate to all clients regardless of nationality. Their site is filled with members of both genders from all over the world. (Although most females are from Russia and the CIS) They hardly target Americans as principal business. I do not see how they are.

Oh, I absolutely see this as an IMB but I could see how doubts could arise. Here are their telling statements.

Meet Model Quality Russian Women -

Beautiful, Pre-Screened, REAL Girls

Seeking a Man Like YOU!

Model Quality Women - beautiful, pre-screened, REAL girls

Clearly they are "selling" their female members.

The ONLY Licensed Introduction Agency among large Russian dating agencies

Keyword "agency".

As for charges, I see nothing on the site that indicates what they charge the ladies. I suspect this sight either charges the ladies quite a bit.

Edited January 16, 2008 by pushbrk

[Kazan' Tiger 1]

This is where I get confused. So it is because they call themselves an "agency"? The pre-screening means they actually contact their ladies to make sure they exist. Membership allows both genders to search the database for a match. Once found, the member can send an expression of interest or a full letter via the site. Ladies join for free and men pay a membership fee which is universal across national borders. This is why I do not see the difference easily between this site and the one previously discussed.

Well, my opinion is Elena's Models for one. They are an Australian firm and I discussed their IMB status with the owners back when the law first appeared. They have always charged the same rate to all clients regardless of nationality. Their site is filled with members of both genders from all over the world. (Although most females are from Russia and the CIS) They hardly target Americans as principal business. I do not see how they are.

Oh, I absolutely see this as an IMB but I could see how doubts could arise. Here are their telling statements.

Meet Model Quality Russian Women -

Beautiful, Pre-Screened, REAL Girls

Seeking a Man Like YOU!

Model Quality Women - beautiful, pre-screened, REAL girls

Clearly they are "selling" their female members.

The ONLY Licensed Introduction Agency among large Russian dating agencies

Keyword "agency".

As for charges, I see nothing on the site that indicates what they charge the ladies. I suspect this sight either charges the ladies quite a bit.

[pushbrk 13,178]

Where do you get that the ladies aren't charged?

This is where I get confused. So it is because they call themselves an "agency"? The pre-screening means they actually contact their ladies to make sure they exist. Membership allows both genders to search the database for a match. Once found, the member can send an expression of interest or a full letter via the site. Ladies join for free and men pay a membership fee which is universal across national borders. This is why I do not see the difference easily between this site and the one previously discussed.

Well, my opinion is Elena's Models for one. They are an Australian firm and I discussed their IMB status with the owners back when the law first appeared. They have always charged the same rate to all clients regardless of nationality. Their site is filled with members of both genders from all over the world. (Although most females are from Russia and the CIS) They hardly target Americans as principal business. I do not see how they are.

Oh, I absolutely see this as an IMB but I could see how doubts could arise. Here are their telling statements.

Meet Model Quality Russian Women -

Beautiful, Pre-Screened, REAL Girls

Seeking a Man Like YOU!

Model Quality Women - beautiful, pre-screened, REAL girls

Clearly they are "selling" their female members.

The ONLY Licensed Introduction Agency among large Russian dating agencies

Keyword "agency".

As for charges, I see nothing on the site that indicates what they charge the ladies. I suspect this sight either charges the ladies quite a bit.

[Kazan' Tiger 1]

I have placed ladies on this site when I lived in Kazan' that did not have computers or internet. They had full access to the men's database instantly while the men did not of the ladies'. Ladies were never charged a kopek.

Where do you get that the ladies aren't charged?

This is where I get confused. So it is because they call themselves an "agency"? The pre-screening means they actually contact their ladies to make sure they exist. Membership allows both genders to search the database for a match. Once found, the member can send an expression of interest or a full letter via the site. Ladies join for free and men pay a membership fee which is universal across national borders. This is why I do not see the difference easily between this site and the one previously discussed.

Well, my opinion is Elena's Models for one. They are an Australian firm and I discussed their IMB status with the owners back when the law first appeared. They have always charged the same rate to all clients regardless of nationality. Their site is filled with members of both genders from all over the world. (Although most females are from Russia and the CIS) They hardly target Americans as principal business. I do not see how they are.

Oh, I absolutely see this as an IMB but I could see how doubts could arise. Here are their telling statements.

Meet Model Quality Russian Women -

Beautiful, Pre-Screened, REAL Girls

Seeking a Man Like YOU!

Model Quality Women - beautiful, pre-screened, REAL girls

Clearly they are "selling" their female members.

The ONLY Licensed Introduction Agency among large Russian dating agencies

Keyword "agency".

As for charges, I see nothing on the site that indicates what they charge the ladies. I suspect this sight either charges the ladies quite a bit.

[pushbrk 13,178]

Will this help you see the difference between this and "internet dating"?

http://www.elenasmodels.com/services/individual.htm

I have placed ladies on this site when I lived in Kazan' that did not have computers or internet. They had full access to the men's database instantly while the men did not of the ladies'. Ladies were never charged a kopek.

Where do you get that the ladies aren't charged?

This is where I get confused. So it is because they call themselves an "agency"? The pre-screening means they actually contact their ladies to make sure they exist. Membership allows both genders to search the database for a match. Once found, the member can send an expression of interest or a full letter via the site. Ladies join for free and men pay a membership fee which is universal across national borders. This is why I do not see the difference easily between this site and the one previously discussed.

Well, my opinion is Elena's Models for one. They are an Australian firm and I discussed their IMB status with the owners back when the law first appeared. They have always charged the same rate to all clients regardless of nationality. Their site is filled with members of both genders from all over the world. (Although most females are from Russia and the CIS) They hardly target Americans as principal business. I do not see how they are.

Oh, I absolutely see this as an IMB but I could see how doubts could arise. Here are their telling statements.

Meet Model Quality Russian Women -

Beautiful, Pre-Screened, REAL Girls

Seeking a Man Like YOU!

Model Quality Women - beautiful, pre-screened, REAL girls

Clearly they are "selling" their female members.

The ONLY Licensed Introduction Agency among large Russian dating agencies

Keyword "agency".

As for charges, I see nothing on the site that indicates what they charge the ladies. I suspect this sight either charges the ladies quite a bit.