Schoolgirl Rape Victim Burned With Acid

[Ban Hammer 13,651]

how would you like it if i said anyone who dismisses capital punishment as a viable punishment is immoral?

You'd get yourself tied up in terrible knots if you really did try to run with the 'capital punishment is the only moral punishment' argument. However, go on, let's see it. Of course, it'll just be, "because this study 'proves' that capital punishment reduces crime (which it doesn't) then it's immoral not to use it as a deterant" and leave it at that, which is a complete suck out.

obviously you've missed the point. and i'm not surprised.

[Alhamdulillah 0]

What happened to this poor girl is horrifying, but torturing her assailant(s), as some of you have suggested, is not the solution.

You're right, let's give him an ice cream cone

[Empress of Groovy 373]

Intentionally inflicting pain, injury, or death on a person is immoral regardless of what that person did. I find it scary how many people are proponents of "eye for an eye" justice. What happened to this poor girl is horrifying, but torturing her assailant(s), as some of you have suggested, is not the solution.

My previous stated observation was noting that some people simply won't be deterred. Death penalty, public hanging, electric chair, firing squad, torture--these do not deter everyone. Many criminals are mentally ill. Most people who commit crimes think that they won't get caught. Many don't think past the crime or consider consequences, particularly in crimes of passion or desperation.

Criminal justice is a much more complicated enterprise than "this person deserves to rot in hell for all eternity and experience the pain he has caused." That position simply helps no one, certainly not the victim.

Anyone who takes pleasure in the suffering of another, regardless of circumstances, is disturbed.

well that's all nice and wonderful, but how about coming back to the real world for a change?

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...tal++punishment

Yes, I remember reading that thread. My argument stands.

as does mine. you can go argue with those who made that study i cited. furthermore i don't appreciate the comment towards those who want to see these individuals punished: "I find it scary how many people are proponents of "eye for an eye" justice."

how would you like it if i said anyone who dismisses capital punishment as a viable punishment is immoral?

Charles, please don't take it personally. This thread is a debate, and I'm expressing an opinion. I don't think that inflicting a painful death on a person as a result of a crime that he or she committed is a moral punishment. Justice is about ensuring that the perpetrator is unable to commit such crimes again. It shouldn't be about revenge, but often it is. Some people believe that violent criminals should be locked up. Others lean toward revenge and will not be satisfied until someone is killed, and plenty would like to see the criminal tortured as well, to the extent that is deemed to match the crime committed. That's what I think is immoral.

It seems like every day, someone posts an article in OT about some horrendous crime. Responses vary from a weepy icon to something akin to "the slime should be strung up on trees and have their penises cut off in front of their families." That type of knee-jerk stuff. I find it scary that average people think like this and justify it because of terrible crimes committed. Humans have the ability to reason why that isn't right, yet so many--as Kazan' Tiger refreshingly admitted--let human emotions take over, the emotion that wants revenge and thinks that justice will be served and everyone will feel better after a violent criminal is tortured to death. That'll show him, right?

What happened to this poor girl is horrifying, but torturing her assailant(s), as some of you have suggested, is not the solution.

You're right, let's give him an ice cream cone

Yes, that was going to be my suggestion.

[Ban Hammer 13,651]

as does mine. you can go argue with those who made that study i cited. furthermore i don't appreciate the comment towards those who want to see these individuals punished: "I find it scary how many people are proponents of "eye for an eye" justice."

how would you like it if i said anyone who dismisses capital punishment as a viable punishment is immoral?

Charles, please don't take it personally. This thread is a debate, and I'm expressing an opinion.

but were someone to say that, indicting you among those who had an opposite view, would you take it in stride? while opinions are one thing, such a statement does look like you are attempting to claim the high moral ground where you can look down on others who do not take a viewpoint similar to yours.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You'd get yourself tied up in terrible knots if you really did try to run with the 'capital punishment is the only moral punishment' argument. However, go on, let's see it. Of course, it'll just be, "because this study 'proves' that capital punishment reduces crime (which it doesn't) then it's immoral not to use it as a deterant" and leave it at that, which is a complete suck out.

That study was actually subject to a whole range of discussion, not just by people in the thread but from several sources - including at least 1 professional research article that I found which - which calls into question the rather specific conclusions that were drawn from the original study.

But as I said earlier - of course this isn't and wouldn't be a DP case for many reasons, and that's not counting the obvious fact that Britain doesn't have it as part of its current judicial legislation.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

What happened to this poor girl is horrifying, but torturing her assailant(s), as some of you have suggested, is not the solution.

You're right, let's give him an ice cream cone

Yes, that was going to be my suggestion.

You too?

[almaty 19]

a horrid crime..

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

a horrid crime..

Yes it is.

[Jenn! 918]

What happened to this poor girl is horrifying, but torturing her assailant(s), as some of you have suggested, is not the solution.

You're right, let's give him an ice cream cone

Yes, that was going to be my suggestion.

You too?

Are those the only two options - death or ice cream?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

What happened to this poor girl is horrifying, but torturing her assailant(s), as some of you have suggested, is not the solution.

You're right, let's give him an ice cream cone

Yes, that was going to be my suggestion.

You too?

Are those the only two options - death or ice cream?

I wouldn't have thought so, no. But there does seem to be an implication being made that if you're not for death (generally), you must be for ice cream.

That said - I don't think we should use this UK-based case, where the DP is an irrelevant punishment anyway as a reason to disparage one side of a national debate about the subject in the US - where, in all likelihood you'd run into the same problems.

I don't know what the solution is here - it clearly shouldn't have been allowed to happen, but it did and the victim may never recover. I don't think its too much of a stretch to suggest that whatever is done its going to do little for the victim's damaged body and mind.

[Ban Hammer 13,651]

What happened to this poor girl is horrifying, but torturing her assailant(s), as some of you have suggested, is not the solution.

You're right, let's give him an ice cream cone

Yes, that was going to be my suggestion.

You too?

Are those the only two options - death or ice cream?

how about "death by chocolate" ice cream?

[almaty 19]

give him vanilla and make it ice milk for that #######,..he does not deserve "real" ice cream

[Empress of Groovy 373]

but were someone to say that, indicting you among those who had an opposite view, would you take it in stride? while opinions are one thing, such a statement does look like you are attempting to claim the high moral ground where you can look down on others who do not take a viewpoint similar to yours.

I think you're splitting hairs here. I stated what I believe is an immoral practice and expressed concern and fear that so many of my fellow citizens believe in the death penalty, specifically a painful death. Seeing my position as somehow looking down on people who believe otherwise is more of an indicator of how you feel, not my position on the subject. I can see how my posts come off as a bit smug, but this is an exchange of views!

And sure, if someone took a "moral high ground" position opposite mine, I'd take it in stride. I like to debate, although admittedly, it's exhausting.

There is plenty of insult-flinging on this board, but there's also a lot of interesting, thoughtful discourse. The only time I took a post a little bit personally was when someone 'dissed Joyce. The person may as well have been insulting my mother.

[Jenn! 918]

give him vanilla and make it ice milk for that #######,..he does not deserve "real" ice cream

Maybe even that green/orange/pink sherbert. *shudder*

[Ban Hammer 13,651]

but were someone to say that, indicting you among those who had an opposite view, would you take it in stride? while opinions are one thing, such a statement does look like you are attempting to claim the high moral ground where you can look down on others who do not take a viewpoint similar to yours.

I think you're splitting hairs here. I stated what I believe is an immoral practice and expressed concern and fear that so many of my fellow citizens believe in the death penalty, specifically a painful death. Seeing my position as somehow looking down on people who believe otherwise is more of an indicator of how you feel, not my position on the subject. I can see how my posts come off as a bit smug, but this is an exchange of views!

And sure, if someone took a "moral high ground" position opposite mine, I'd take it in stride. I like to debate, although admittedly, it's exhausting.

There is plenty of insult-flinging on this board, but there's also a lot of interesting, thoughtful discourse. The only time I took a post a little bit personally was when someone 'dissed Joyce. The person may as well have been insulting my mother.

not splitting hairs. anyone in this thread that has voiced an opinion in support of the death penalty may feel you've insulted them and their views. and i for one do feel insulted for having a different viewpoint than yours.

now given this statement: "Anyone who takes pleasure in the suffering of another, regardless of circumstances, is disturbed." - there must be a lotta people in florida you should be worried about then as quite a few were happy about ted bundy being megatazered.

and i was happy to see tookie williams get his just desserts for what he did (hate crimes). but i know, i and so many others must be dysfunctional because we believe the death penalty is effective and a suitable punishment for mad dogs.