DAMN SSN

[TracyTN 237]

They obviously don't understand that the K1 is for ENTRY, and you did enter the country unmarried. Once you enter, the K1 becomes null and void and your status is derived off the I 94.

I'd lodge a complaint on the SSA's website about this particular office and explain the situation. They need to understand their job a bit better.

[Lona.C. 16]

They obviously don't understand that the K1 is for ENTRY, and you did enter the country unmarried. Once you enter, the K1 becomes null and void and your status is derived off the I 94.

I'd lodge a complaint on the SSA's website about this particular office and explain the situation. They need to understand their job a bit better.

I hear ya about them not knowing about the K1 rules

i already send a complain on the website about this office

so unless anyone here knows of a true fact that I can aply on another office without any consequances , or that I could go back and use my AOS biometric apt letter as prove of status change , and have a 100% garanty to aproval , lets just forget this thread ,

[TracyTN 237]

People here were just trying to help you, but if you'd rather forget the thread and not have help, then have the thread locked.

[Lona.C. 16]

People here were just trying to help you, but if you'd rather forget the thread and not have help, then have the thread locked.

I do apreciate all the help I could get here , but since I did all the advice given to me here ,

( accept going to another office , since I dont know the consequances it could have when my application is already pending at my local office)

yes I would apriciate this treat to be closed ,

but thank you everyone I do apriciate the help

[TracyTN 237]

Then PM a moderator.

[hamburgapples 0]

Wait, before you close this allow me to throw a question into the mix...

When my (now) wife entered the country on a K-1 visa we went to our local SS office and after a little bit of confusion got a SS card ordered. She recieved that a couple of weeks later.

Once we got married and sent in the AOS paper work in her married name we went back to our local office (albeit different from the one where we origionaly went) and filled in a name change application.

After a month without hearing anything we went back in and the woman who we had talked to before said that they denied the name change based on my wife's immigration status.

Just a couple of days ago we recieved an email from CRIS stating that the EAD card production was ordered so we went back in and the person working had us fill out another name change application. Seeing a printout of the email from CRIS stating that the EAD had been issued he said that there shouldn't be a problem now.

This morning we recieved a voice mail from the guy at the SS office telling us that SS won't issue a card until "permanent residence is granted". And the thing that gets me is that the way he said it was that that decision did not come from the local office but from where ever they send the information at some higher up internal office. So it's not like some kook at the local office doesn't know what's going on.

What's more, I don't think the 2 year Green Card is considered "permanent residence".

This makes no sense to me. All we want is a name change so that my wife doesn't have to carry around a marraige certificate when applying for jobs. The problem is that now she has her DL in her married name and the EAD will come in her married name but he SS card still has her unmarried name and I'd imagine might cause some problems....

[I'm Gone 60]

Wait, before you close this allow me to throw a question into the mix...

When my (now) wife entered the country on a K-1 visa we went to our local SS office and after a little bit of confusion got a SS card ordered. She recieved that a couple of weeks later.

Once we got married and sent in the AOS paper work in her married name we went back to our local office (albeit different from the one where we origionaly went) and filled in a name change application.

After a month without hearing anything we went back in and the woman who we had talked to before said that they denied the name change based on my wife's immigration status.

Just a couple of days ago we recieved an email from CRIS stating that the EAD card production was ordered so we went back in and the person working had us fill out another name change application. Seeing a printout of the email from CRIS stating that the EAD had been issued he said that there shouldn't be a problem now.

This morning we recieved a voice mail from the guy at the SS office telling us that SS won't issue a card until "permanent residence is granted". And the thing that gets me is that the way he said it was that that decision did not come from the local office but from where ever they send the information at some higher up internal office. So it's not like some kook at the local office doesn't know what's going on.

What's more, I don't think the 2 year Green Card is considered "permanent residence".

This makes no sense to me. All we want is a name change so that my wife doesn't have to carry around a marraige certificate when applying for jobs. The problem is that now she has her DL in her married name and the EAD will come in her married name but he SS card still has her unmarried name and I'd imagine might cause some problems....

Your situation is a bit different, from your timeline your wife's I-94 has long since expired, so she needs an EAD card or I-551 to be issued a card in the married name This woman's I-94 has not expired, but the SSA office says he is no longer eligible because she's now married. Hopefully, he will be assigned and SSN before the I-94 is within 14 days of expiring.

[steve13 0]

Oh,hoho,good luck!

[TracyTN 237]

Wait, before you close this allow me to throw a question into the mix...

When my (now) wife entered the country on a K-1 visa we went to our local SS office and after a little bit of confusion got a SS card ordered. She recieved that a couple of weeks later.

Once we got married and sent in the AOS paper work in her married name we went back to our local office (albeit different from the one where we origionaly went) and filled in a name change application.

After a month without hearing anything we went back in and the woman who we had talked to before said that they denied the name change based on my wife's immigration status.

Just a couple of days ago we recieved an email from CRIS stating that the EAD card production was ordered so we went back in and the person working had us fill out another name change application. Seeing a printout of the email from CRIS stating that the EAD had been issued he said that there shouldn't be a problem now.

This morning we recieved a voice mail from the guy at the SS office telling us that SS won't issue a card until "permanent residence is granted". And the thing that gets me is that the way he said it was that that decision did not come from the local office but from where ever they send the information at some higher up internal office. So it's not like some kook at the local office doesn't know what's going on.

What's more, I don't think the 2 year Green Card is considered "permanent residence".

This makes no sense to me. All we want is a name change so that my wife doesn't have to carry around a marraige certificate when applying for jobs. The problem is that now she has her DL in her married name and the EAD will come in her married name but he SS card still has her unmarried name and I'd imagine might cause some problems....

Your situation is a bit different, from your timeline your wife's I-94 has long since expired, so she needs an EAD card or I-551 to be issued a card in the married name This woman's I-94 has not expired, but the SSA office says he is no longer eligible because she's now married. Hopefully, he will be assigned and SSN before the I-94 is within 14 days of expiring.

Yes - and hamburgapples, your 2 year green card IS considered 'permanent residence'...!

[hamburgapples 0]

Wait, before you close this allow me to throw a question into the mix...

When my (now) wife entered the country on a K-1 visa we went to our local SS office and after a little bit of confusion got a SS card ordered. She recieved that a couple of weeks later.

Once we got married and sent in the AOS paper work in her married name we went back to our local office (albeit different from the one where we origionaly went) and filled in a name change application.

After a month without hearing anything we went back in and the woman who we had talked to before said that they denied the name change based on my wife's immigration status.

Just a couple of days ago we recieved an email from CRIS stating that the EAD card production was ordered so we went back in and the person working had us fill out another name change application. Seeing a printout of the email from CRIS stating that the EAD had been issued he said that there shouldn't be a problem now.

This morning we recieved a voice mail from the guy at the SS office telling us that SS won't issue a card until "permanent residence is granted". And the thing that gets me is that the way he said it was that that decision did not come from the local office but from where ever they send the information at some higher up internal office. So it's not like some kook at the local office doesn't know what's going on.

What's more, I don't think the 2 year Green Card is considered "permanent residence".

This makes no sense to me. All we want is a name change so that my wife doesn't have to carry around a marraige certificate when applying for jobs. The problem is that now she has her DL in her married name and the EAD will come in her married name but he SS card still has her unmarried name and I'd imagine might cause some problems....

Your situation is a bit different, from your timeline your wife's I-94 has long since expired, so she needs an EAD card or I-551 to be issued a card in the married name This woman's I-94 has not expired, but the SSA office says he is no longer eligible because she's now married. Hopefully, he will be assigned and SSN before the I-94 is within 14 days of expiring.

Yes - and hamburgapples, your 2 year green card IS considered 'permanent residence'...!

Thanks for that TracyTN. Well, the EAD card showed up in the mail today. As this EAD card was obviously approved at least 3 days ago (and therefore approved at the time that we last requested the name change) I have no idea why it was declined. I mean the guy who we spoke to had no problem running the application with the evidence that we gave him and only found out later on when he tried to push it through the system. It all makes very little sense to me.

Well, anyway I guess we might as well wait till we have the GC as then it won't have any restrictions on that card...

"Oh,hoho,good luck!"... If that was for me, I don't get it steve13.... ?

[TracyTN 237]

Its all about timing - what the SSA's system could see and what the USCIS' system had at that time. If the two didn't jive (obviously they didn't), therein lies the problem.

[I'm Gone 60]

As this EAD card was obviously approved at least 3 days ago (and therefore approved at the time that we last requested the name change) I have no idea why it was declined.

Read my lips, the SSN application was denied, because the EAD card was not provided to the SSA office as proof of authorization to work. SSA will not accept a filing receipt ot NOA in place of an immigration document.

https://secure.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203450

RM 00203.450 Evidence of Nonimmigrant Status for an SSN Card

A. Policy - General

Each alien lawfully admitted as a nonimmigrant should have an unexpired immigration document as evidence of his/her status. A letter from U.S. immigration authorities, receipt, copy of an application form or any immigration document not listed in this subchapter is not acceptable evidence of alien status in lieu of the appropriate immigration document.

[zqt3344 21]

You may have to wait until you get the GC before you can file for Social Security card or change name on it. Sometimes some offices are sticklers if you get married less than two weeks before you K1 expires in USA, they will not issue a social security card or let you change it, happened to us. We were able to file for one within about 3-4 weeks of arrival, even then there was no packet data in the data base from point of entry so had to keep calling local social security office couple of times a week to remind them to keep checking the SAV system for our data entered so they could issue card, then get card and get married more than two weeks before K1 expires but went on 2 week honeymoon and get back and go to change name on it and SS office rejects our request after waiting in line for about hour to tell us they cannot until we come back with GC. We only had like 3 days left until K1 expired, so they said no, sounds like this happened to you also. I would go back after GC arrives they did it within minutes that day no problems when we presented it. Good luck.

Well back to square 1 , I still have no notice reguarding my damn SSN went to office first time Dec 10 they gave some story about not being able to file SSN with K1 cause I got married on Dec1

they gave some letter stating that am not elegable to recieve SSN until confirmation from DHS of status change , so my husband and I gatherd all documents we could find ( all the advice from here with explanations to elegability on SSN and printed it out

went back to the office dec 17 , just to hear they will send a request for change of status to DHS ,

and to call back in 2 weeks , well 2 weeks past and I tryed to call them for the last week without success ( busy signal all day long , I bet a Rat ate theyr Phoneline )

anyhow finaly found the 1 800 # called them , the lady now tells me there is nothing they can do the process to hear from DHS takes about 6 weeks I will have to waite a bit longer , if I dont hear nothing within 6 weeks to call the local office , told her well thank y7ou for your help but I belive a Rat ate my locals office phoneline cause I been trying to call them since the last week everyday without any luck , will just go there in a few weeks and request a update on my file , geez I know am elegable to get SSN why cant they hire people who know the rule grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

sorry had to vent a bit

[TracyTN 237]

You may have to wait until you get the GC before you can file for Social Security card or change name on it. Sometimes some offices are sticklers if you get married less than two weeks before you K1 expires in USA, they will not issue a social security card or let you change it, happened to us. We were able to file for one within about 3-4 weeks of arrival, even then there was no packet data in the data base from point of entry so had to keep calling local social security office couple of times a week to remind them to keep checking the SAV system for our data entered so they could issue card, then get card and get married more than two weeks before K1 expires but went on 2 week honeymoon and get back and go to change name on it and SS office rejects our request after waiting in line for about hour to tell us they cannot until we come back with GC. We only had like 3 days left until K1 expired, so they said no, sounds like this happened to you also. I would go back after GC arrives they did it within minutes that day no problems when we presented it. Good luck.

I'm sorry, but that is just flat wrong. From a post by our resident SSN expert (I Quit):

"Suggest that individuals apply for a corrected SSN card to update the SSN record when there has been a name change due to marriage.

The applicant may submit either:

-- One legal name change document showing both the old and new names

(e.g., a court order for a name change or a marriage document). The

document must also show either (1) a description or photograph of

the person or (2) biographical information that can be compared with

the Numident data; or

-- When the name change document does not show either a photograph of

the person or biographical information that can be compared with the

Numident data, then, in addition to the name change document, the

applicant must also submit two acceptable identity documents. One

of the submitted identity documents must show the old name (the name

on the latest SSN record) AND the other submitted identity

document must show the new name (the name to be shown on the

corrected SSN card). The identity documents submitted must show

either a photograph of the applicant or provide biographical

information that can be compared with the Numident (SSN record)

data.

In all 50 U.S. States (this means the 50 States, Washington, D.C., Puerto Rico, U.S. Virgin Islands, Guam, Northern Mariana Islands, and American Samoa) the bride may take her husband's last name (surname or family name) as her new last name. (EXAMPLE: Jane Doe married John Jones and she may change her name to Jane Jones.)

Interim Guidance: If the bride wants to take her husband’s last name, accept the marriage document as a legal name change for the bride if the new name can be derived from the marriage document; even if the marriage document only shows each partner’s first names, the bride’s prior surname and husband’s surname.

Note: For a marriage document or marriage record to be acceptable as an identity document it must show, in addition to the applicant’s name, either the applicant’s age, date of birth or parents’ names and the marriage document alone can be accepted as evidence of identity for both the old and new names when it meets this standard.

When issuing immigration documents, the Department of State and Department of Homeland Security issue them in the person’s legal name. The legal name is also generally the name in which the foreign passport was issued.

When an alien applies for an SSN card, SSA presumes the name on the immigration document is the legal name unless the applicant presents evidence of a legal name change (e.g., marriage) that occurred after the immigration document was issued.

This is in addition to proof of current lawful employment authorized status.

You can find detailed information regarding changing SSN record (Numident) data on the SSA Website at:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203210

When requesting an SSN card, the documents presented, as evidence must be either originals or copies certified by the issuing agency. SSA will not accept uncertified or notarized photocopies as evidence."

If 'offices' are sticklers, make them do their job. Its to your benefit not to roll over and take it. Learn what their rules are and make them play by them.

[zqt3344 21]

Well I admire your #######, but it is what it is, and we did what we had to in order to work through it and get it done, and you may be right, it may suck it may be wrong they may need to do their job, but in my example I do think they are right at SS office per the laws and rules shown to us, they do have to have name change or application for SS card done before 10 days or 2 weeks before K1 expires, seems like I read that somewhere on USCIS website or SS site a year or two ago. Or maybe you misunderstood what I was trying to explain or I confused you, so best of luck to them, once they get GC it will be academic point anyway, for they can suddenly get just about anything they want and this whole process gets so much eaiser.

You may have to wait until you get the GC before you can file for Social Security card or change name on it. Sometimes some offices are sticklers if you get married less than two weeks before you K1 expires in USA, they will not issue a social security card or let you change it, happened to us. We were able to file for one within about 3-4 weeks of arrival, even then there was no packet data in the data base from point of entry so had to keep calling local social security office couple of times a week to remind them to keep checking the SAV system for our data entered so they could issue card, then get card and get married more than two weeks before K1 expires but went on 2 week honeymoon and get back and go to change name on it and SS office rejects our request after waiting in line for about hour to tell us they cannot until we come back with GC. We only had like 3 days left until K1 expired, so they said no, sounds like this happened to you also. I would go back after GC arrives they did it within minutes that day no problems when we presented it. Good luck.

I'm sorry, but that is just flat wrong. From a post by our resident SSN expert (I Quit):

"Suggest that individuals apply for a corrected SSN card to update the SSN record when there has been a name change due to marriage.

The applicant may submit either:

-- One legal name change document showing both the old and new names

(e.g., a court order for a name change or a marriage document). The

document must also show either (1) a description or photograph of

the person or (2) biographical information that can be compared with

the Numident data; or

-- When the name change document does not show either a photograph of

the person or biographical information that can be compared with the

Numident data, then, in addition to the name change document, the

applicant must also submit two acceptable identity documents. One

of the submitted identity documents must show the old name (the name

on the latest SSN record) AND the other submitted identity

document must show the new name (the name to be shown on the

corrected SSN card). The identity documents submitted must show

either a photograph of the applicant or provide biographical

information that can be compared with the Numident (SSN record)

data.

In all 50 U.S. States (this means the 50 States, Washington, D.C., Puerto Rico, U.S. Virgin Islands, Guam, Northern Mariana Islands, and American Samoa) the bride may take her husband's last name (surname or family name) as her new last name. (EXAMPLE: Jane Doe married John Jones and she may change her name to Jane Jones.)

Interim Guidance: If the bride wants to take her husband’s last name, accept the marriage document as a legal name change for the bride if the new name can be derived from the marriage document; even if the marriage document only shows each partner’s first names, the bride’s prior surname and husband’s surname.

Note: For a marriage document or marriage record to be acceptable as an identity document it must show, in addition to the applicant’s name, either the applicant’s age, date of birth or parents’ names and the marriage document alone can be accepted as evidence of identity for both the old and new names when it meets this standard.

When issuing immigration documents, the Department of State and Department of Homeland Security issue them in the person’s legal name. The legal name is also generally the name in which the foreign passport was issued.

When an alien applies for an SSN card, SSA presumes the name on the immigration document is the legal name unless the applicant presents evidence of a legal name change (e.g., marriage) that occurred after the immigration document was issued.

This is in addition to proof of current lawful employment authorized status.

You can find detailed information regarding changing SSN record (Numident) data on the SSA Website at:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203210

When requesting an SSN card, the documents presented, as evidence must be either originals or copies certified by the issuing agency. SSA will not accept uncertified or notarized photocopies as evidence."

If 'offices' are sticklers, make them do their job. Its to your benefit not to roll over and take it. Learn what their rules are and make them play by them.