U.S. economy is in recession, Merrill's Rosenberg says

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it nice to see old friends get together

[Heracles 417]

Archaic. And what electing one person to be responsible for a nation is logical. The winner takes all system. About as logical as limiting a leader to two terms. Therefore on the second term a leader does not have to do ###### as they know they will not be elected again.

Not having a term limit is constitutionally dangerous IMO. I mentioned Mrs Thatcher - because if she hadn't have been forced out of power by her own party, she'd have clung onto the office to the bitter end. Right now we're reliant on the goodwill of the person in office to decide when they've outstayed their welcome. Hardly the ideal state of affairs.

I would rather rely on the people to choose rather than a time limit. So if Clinton was a good leader, he should have been able to stay in. Rather than the status quo of lets give everybody a go. Running a country, state, city etc is not a game.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Given that I and everyone else has been living under the current administration for 8 years - I think you (unfairly) assume rather a lot about me to say that.

Come on now #6. I wasn't born yesterday.

Can you and the usual critics show me one positive thing you have said about GWB.

Well that's not really relevant to what you said is it - that I would say nothing critical about a hypothetical Obama administration.

[Heracles 417]

it nice to see old friends get together

Long time no speak. Happy new year smoke.

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it nice to see old friends get together

Long time no speak. Happy new year smoke.

rebound

[Heracles 417]

Given that I and everyone else has been living under the current administration for 8 years - I think you (unfairly) assume rather a lot about me to say that.

Come on now #6. I wasn't born yesterday.

Can you and the usual critics show me one positive thing you have said about GWB.

Well that's not really relevant to what you said is it - that I would say nothing critical about a hypothetical Obama administration.

Not you in particular #6 but there are people out there, and here, who wouldn't say ###### if someone on their side of the fence was a carbon copy of GWB.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Archaic. And what electing one person to be responsible for a nation is logical. The winner takes all system. About as logical as limiting a leader to two terms. Therefore on the second term a leader does not have to do ###### as they know they will not be elected again.

Not having a term limit is constitutionally dangerous IMO. I mentioned Mrs Thatcher - because if she hadn't have been forced out of power by her own party, she'd have clung onto the office to the bitter end. Right now we're reliant on the goodwill of the person in office to decide when they've outstayed their welcome. Hardly the ideal state of affairs.

I would rather rely on the people to choose rather than a time limit. So if Clinton was a good leader, he should have been able to stay in. Rather than the status quo of lets give everybody a go. Running a country, state, city etc is not a game.

Well the presidential term limits aren't in there for a joke.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Given that I and everyone else has been living under the current administration for 8 years - I think you (unfairly) assume rather a lot about me to say that.

Come on now #6. I wasn't born yesterday.

Can you and the usual critics show me one positive thing you have said about GWB.

Well that's not really relevant to what you said is it - that I would say nothing critical about a hypothetical Obama administration.

Not you in particular #6 but there are people out there, and here, who wouldn't say ###### if someone on their side of the fence was a carbon copy of GWB.

Well given the thread of the conversation - you pretty clearly alluded to me in that statement.

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Archaic. And what electing one person to be responsible for a nation is logical. The winner takes all system. About as logical as limiting a leader to two terms. Therefore on the second term a leader does not have to do ###### as they know they will not be elected again.

Not having a term limit is constitutionally dangerous IMO. I mentioned Mrs Thatcher - because if she hadn't have been forced out of power by her own party, she'd have clung onto the office to the bitter end. Right now we're reliant on the goodwill of the person in office to decide when they've outstayed their welcome. Hardly the ideal state of affairs.

I would rather rely on the people to choose rather than a time limit. So if Clinton was a good leader, he should have been able to stay in. Rather than the status quo of lets give everybody a go. Running a country, state, city etc is not a game.

I agree. If the POTUS is doing a great job and the people are happy, screw the 2 term limit.

Because all you really get is on POTUS inheriting the previous one's choices & aftermath. Where we are now is not just as a result of Bush, but a culmination of the choices before him.

For instance, Clinton's hailed as a great POTUS where we had a great economy, but a lot of that was set in motion beforehand...

[Heracles 417]

I agree. If the POTUS is doing a great job and the people are happy, screw the 2 term limit.

Because all you really get is on POTUS inheriting the previous one's choices & aftermath. Where we are now is not just as a result of Bush, but a culmination of the choices before him.

For instance, Clinton's hailed as a great POTUS where we had a great economy, but a lot of that was set in motion beforehand...

Exactly. The outcome and consequences of policies and decisions implemented are not usually felt until years down the track. I forgot the economics term for this.

How would people feel if their jobs had a term limit. If they had to resign after x years; irrespective of their performance on the job.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I agree. If the POTUS is doing a great job and the people are happy, screw the 2 term limit.

Because all you really get is on POTUS inheriting the previous one's choices & aftermath. Where we are now is not just as a result of Bush, but a culmination of the choices before him.

For instance, Clinton's hailed as a great POTUS where we had a great economy, but a lot of that was set in motion beforehand...

Exactly. The outcome and consequences of policies and decisions implemented are not usually felt until years down the track. I forgot the economics term for this.

How would people feel if their jobs had a term limit. If they had to resign after x years; irrespective of their performance on the job.

I dunno - that was still pretty much the case in the UK, even without term limits.

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Term limits exist for the same reason corporate managers love it when higher ups retire. It's how people move up. If a President never retires, no one else gets to be President.

They dress up the rationale for term limits in words that sound noble, but that's the crux of it.

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How would people feel if their jobs had a term limit. If they had to resign after x years; irrespective of their performance on the job.

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I still don't get why you insist on pinning this wholesale on the Democratic party and their supporters, when pretty much all of these things are national dialogs.

I am not but I get angry when people with left wing views pin it all on someone with opposing views. Hence why little gets done here. US politics kind of reminds me of trench warfare. So instead of people try to work together to lift the country up. We are caught up in trench warfare trying to blame, and take down, the other person.

But here you are doing the same. Instead of decrying the general state of political discussion, someone has to be to blame - even if that blame requires surgical demarcation of the electorate.

I think we all know each other's political views by know. So when someone comes out and blames GWB for the state of the American economy. Naturally I will take into account a person's political view. I know for a fact that if Obama was the president, instead of GWB, and had made the exact same decisions as GWB since 2000, this same person would not say ###### about his leadership.

Given that I and everyone else has been living under the current administration for 8 years - I think you (unfairly) assume rather a lot about me to say that.

Wow. Just wow.

You assume a helluva lot BooYah. And you point the finger when & where it suits you, per usual.

And to add to #6's (good) reply, how long have you lived here in the US exactly, BooYah?

Edited January 8, 2008 by devilette

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Term limits exist for the same reason corporate managers love it when higher ups retire. It's how people move up. If a President never retires, no one else gets to be President.

They dress up the rationale for term limits in words that sound noble, but that's the crux of it.

Its in there to prevent the system being hijacked and turned into a dictatorship.

That's the one failing in UK politics - Thatcher would have stayed in power indefinitely if she could have. That and the fact that the public don't actually get to choose the Prime Minister.

I still don't get why you insist on pinning this wholesale on the Democratic party and their supporters, when pretty much all of these things are national dialogs.

I am not but I get angry when people with left wing views pin it all on someone with opposing views. Hence why little gets done here. US politics kind of reminds me of trench warfare. So instead of people try to work together to lift the country up. We are caught up in trench warfare trying to blame, and take down, the other person.

But here you are doing the same. Instead of decrying the general state of political discussion, someone has to be to blame - even if that blame requires surgical demarcation of the electorate.

I think we all know each other's political views by know. So when someone comes out and blames GWB for the state of the American economy. Naturally I will take into account a person's political view. I know for a fact that if Obama was the president, instead of GWB, and had made the exact same decisions as GWB since 2000, this same person would not say ###### about his leadership.

Given that I and everyone else has been living under the current administration for 8 years - I think you (unfairly) assume rather a lot about me to say that.

Wow. Just wow.

You assume a helluva lot BooYah. And you point the finger when & where it suits you, per usual.

And to add to #6's reply, how long have you lived here in the US exactly?

I moved here in 2004 - couple of months before the last election.