It's up to citizens of United States to stop illegal immigration

[Cassie 8]

Yeah, the OK and whatever else states' laws are working so well, people are just moving to other states and not actually leaving the US. That'll fix the problem, yeah? But you don't care tapout, as long as "they" don't live in your state, right?

[SMOKE 1,426]

Lemme see....

No Social Security number.

No driver's license.

No US birth certificate.

Sounds like our foreign born fiances/fiancees/husbands/wives when they first arrive in the US.

yah i love that too. the pro illegal crowd seems to conveniently forget...noone is given the 2 they need at POE, but people that legally migrate to the US do have a legal avenue to obtain them..

[SMOKE 1,426]

Yeah, the OK and whatever else states' laws are working so well, people are just moving to other states and not actually leaving the US. That'll fix the problem, yeah? But you don't care tapout, as long as "they" don't live in your state, right?

gotta start somewhere. if the feds won't enforce the immigration laws..then the states have the right to protect their social service programs from being abused by people that have no right to the assistance they provide.Oklahoma was first, Arizona followed...who's next to stand up & do something?.... proud to be an Oklahoman.

Edited January 5, 2008 by tapout

[no name 1]

Yeah, the OK and whatever else states' laws are working so well, people are just moving to other states and not actually leaving the US. That'll fix the problem, yeah? But you don't care tapout, as long as "they" don't live in your state, right?

gotta start somewhere. if the feds won't enforce the immigration laws..then the states have the right to protect their social service programs from being abused by people that have no right to the assistance they provide.Oklahoma was first, Arizona followed...who's next to stand up & do something?.... proud to be an Oklahoman.

[natty bumppo 297]

Yeah, the OK and whatever else states' laws are working so well, people are just moving to other states and not actually leaving the US. That'll fix the problem, yeah? But you don't care tapout, as long as "they" don't live in your state, right?

gotta start somewhere. if the feds won't enforce the immigration laws..then the states have the right to protect their social service programs from being abused by people that have no right to the assistance they provide.Oklahoma was first, Arizona followed...who's next to stand up & do something?.... proud to be an Oklahoman.

Waiting for TX to follow AZ ... that will be sweet

[peejay 327]

Waiting for TX to follow AZ ... that will be sweet

Don't hold your breath or you might turn blue. As long as crooks like Republican Governor Perry pander to the crooks that hire illegal labor with impunity, the status quo in Texas will continue. As long as the Texas Democratic party panders to illegal alien sympathizing Hispanics, the status quo in Texas will continue. The lunatics run the insane asylum in Texas and the rest of us are just spectators (victims) to the madness. It would take real Federal intervention to clean up the corrupt mess in Texas and it won't happen as long as the bobble head from Texas is in the White House. He is a huge part of the problem. Most of this insanity has gone down on his watch as both governor and president. Go figure! It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where the vapor trail started from.

[Caladan 19]

peejay's graph is interesting, but more accurate if you scale it to total population. 8 million immigrants when the population is 100 million is a lot different than 8 million immigrants when the population is 300 million. The total number is going up, but I'm not sure about the percentage.

As to counting "descendants of immigrants" (not just illegals, no age taken into account, so that projection includes, say, peejay's daughter's kids) to make it look like we're scarily being invaded and real Americans here since 1970 (kind of arbitrary) will be minorities, well, that's just silly.

[rebeccajo 14]

Yeah, the OK and whatever else states' laws are working so well, people are just moving to other states and not actually leaving the US. That'll fix the problem, yeah? But you don't care tapout, as long as "they" don't live in your state, right?

gotta start somewhere. if the feds won't enforce the immigration laws..then the states have the right to protect their social service programs from being abused by people that have no right to the assistance they provide.Oklahoma was first, Arizona followed...who's next to stand up & do something?....proud to be an Oklahoman.

Big East sacks Big Twelve. Fiesta Bowl - WVU 48 OU 28.

Sorry man. Couldn't resist.

[pedroh 21]

bah,.. immigrants talking about illegal immigration, is not even our country, and we get a fit about it and go 'go go america im so american omg patriot'.. wannabeism..

usc's.. its your country, do what you think is right.. other than that just a bunch of uncle tomism trying to please the americano

[SMOKE 1,426]

Yeah, the OK and whatever else states' laws are working so well, people are just moving to other states and not actually leaving the US. That'll fix the problem, yeah? But you don't care tapout, as long as "they" don't live in your state, right?

gotta start somewhere. if the feds won't enforce the immigration laws..then the states have the right to protect their social service programs from being abused by people that have no right to the assistance they provide.Oklahoma was first, Arizona followed...who's next to stand up & do something?....proud to be an Oklahoman.

Big East sacks Big Twelve. Fiesta Bowl - WVU 48 OU 28.

Sorry man. Couldn't resist.

GGRRRRR!!!

[SMOKE 1,426]

bah,.. immigrants talking about illegal immigration, is not even our country, and we get a fit about it and go 'go go america im so american omg patriot'.. wannabeism..

usc's.. its your country, do what you think is right.. other than that just a bunch of uncle tomism trying to please the americano

doin it in OK & AZ

[peejay 327]

"According to Beck, the results have been devastating: plentiful, cheap immigrant labor has distorted business decisions in a way that has slowed productivity growth, depressed wages, reduced worker benefits, and dramatically shifted hiring from native-born Americans to foreign workers in a number of both lower-paid and higher-paid occupations. African-Americans have suffered disproportionately in the current wave of mass immigration, which has knocked large numbers down the economic ladder as employers have chosen immigrants over African-American workers."

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/forum/beck.html

It's always interesting when someone puts up their sources, isn't it?

I like your links, but here are mine where I got the graphs:

http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/idb/worldpopinfo.html

http://www.susps.org/overview/numbers.html

peejay's graph is interesting, but more accurate if you scale it to total population. 8 million immigrants when the population is 100 million is a lot different than 8 million immigrants when the population is 300 million. The total number is going up, but I'm not sure about the percentage.

As to counting "descendants of immigrants" (not just illegals, no age taken into account, so that projection includes, say, peejay's daughter's kids) to make it look like we're scarily being invaded and real Americans here since 1970 (kind of arbitrary) will be minorities, well, that's just silly.

That is lame logic. Adjusting immigration rates upwards to adjust for increases in the population due to immigration is insanity. It is a compounded death spiral. More immigrants increase the population so we increase immigration numbers? So when we eventually hit 1 billion in the USA we should have 8 million, 9 million, 10 million, etc., a year in immigration? Why even go there? What is the rational for this insanity? Misery loves company?

As far as the second comment...the sacred cow American Indian in the cartoon is also included in your "real American" scenario of pre-1970 population. Who cares if it excludes minorities or anyone else from mass immigration? It's our country and our national destiny to choose who, why, when, how, and if anyone immigrates to the USA or not. Immigration is a privilege...not a right. Immigration is not about "browning" America. It may be your agenda...it ain't mine.

[rebeccajo 14]

"According to Beck, the results have been devastating: plentiful, cheap immigrant labor has distorted business decisions in a way that has slowed productivity growth, depressed wages, reduced worker benefits, and dramatically shifted hiring from native-born Americans to foreign workers in a number of both lower-paid and higher-paid occupations. African-Americans have suffered disproportionately in the current wave of mass immigration, which has knocked large numbers down the economic ladder as employers have chosen immigrants over African-American workers."

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/forum/beck.html

It's always interesting when someone puts up their sources, isn't it?

I like your links, but here are mine where I got the graphs:

http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/idb/worldpopinfo.html

http://www.susps.org/overview/numbers.html

I googled Roy Beck, the man from whose work one of the graphs was tabulated. His name in your graph.

[Caladan 19]

"According to Beck, the results have been devastating: plentiful, cheap immigrant labor has distorted business decisions in a way that has slowed productivity growth, depressed wages, reduced worker benefits, and dramatically shifted hiring from native-born Americans to foreign workers in a number of both lower-paid and higher-paid occupations. African-Americans have suffered disproportionately in the current wave of mass immigration, which has knocked large numbers down the economic ladder as employers have chosen immigrants over African-American workers."

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/forum/beck.html

It's always interesting when someone puts up their sources, isn't it?

I like your links, but here are mine where I got the graphs:

http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/idb/worldpopinfo.html

http://www.susps.org/overview/numbers.html

peejay's graph is interesting, but more accurate if you scale it to total population. 8 million immigrants when the population is 100 million is a lot different than 8 million immigrants when the population is 300 million. The total number is going up, but I'm not sure about the percentage.

As to counting "descendants of immigrants" (not just illegals, no age taken into account, so that projection includes, say, peejay's daughter's kids) to make it look like we're scarily being invaded and real Americans here since 1970 (kind of arbitrary) will be minorities, well, that's just silly.

That is lame logic. Adjusting immigration rates upwards to adjust for increases in the population due to immigration is insanity. It is a compounded death spiral. More immigrants increase the population so we increase immigration numbers? So when we eventually hit 1 billion in the USA we should have 8 million, 9 million, 10 million, etc., a year in immigration? Why even go there? What is the rational for this insanity? Misery loves company?

As far as the second comment...the sacred cow American Indian in the cartoon is also included in your "real American" scenario of pre-1970 population. Who cares if it excludes minorities or anyone else from mass immigration? It's our country and our national destiny to choose who, why, when, how, and if anyone immigrates to the USA or not. Immigration is a privilege...not a right. Immigration is not about "browning" America. It may be your agenda...it ain't mine.

You misunderstand me. I am not saying that immigration levels have to rise. I am saying that freaking out because the absolute numbers are higher when the relative numbers, as a percentage of population, are lower is dumb. I am saying that 'immigrants and descendants of immigrants" and freaking out on the assumption that they're all not going to assimilate is also beyond dumb.

[peejay 327]

"According to Beck, the results have been devastating: plentiful, cheap immigrant labor has distorted business decisions in a way that has slowed productivity growth, depressed wages, reduced worker benefits, and dramatically shifted hiring from native-born Americans to foreign workers in a number of both lower-paid and higher-paid occupations. African-Americans have suffered disproportionately in the current wave of mass immigration, which has knocked large numbers down the economic ladder as employers have chosen immigrants over African-American workers."

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/forum/beck.html

It's always interesting when someone puts up their sources, isn't it?

I like your links, but here are mine where I got the graphs:

http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/idb/worldpopinfo.html

http://www.susps.org/overview/numbers.html

I googled Roy Beck, the man from whose work one of the graphs was tabulated. His name in your graph.

Actually, what I find fascinating by the graph is how accurate it is even though it was first published in 1996. The sad fact is that if actual trends continue unabated we will have 120+ million more people in the USA in the next 43 years. Nothing to celebrate IMO. And there are people in this country that think there is not enough immigration into the USA and want even more! I don't get it and am still waiting for someone to explain to me why we need to go there.

BTW, Roy Beck is executive director of NumbersUSA. It's worth a look. It makes a lot more sense than a lot of the one line cliches I often see posted.

http://www.numbersusa.com/index