Received yet another letter and I'm confused.

[ktickner6767 0]

Hello Everyone and Happy New Year.

Well, I start this new year with yet another letter from Immigration. I sent my wife's I-751 form with over 10 different forms of evidence that we are indeed married and have been for the past 2 years to the Texas address on the form. It was received and everything seemed to be going as planned. Well, around the last week of December 2007 I have received a new letter from the California office requesting the exact same information. This will be the third time I have gathered, prepared and sent evidence to immigration that we are indeed married and requesting lifting of conditions. What is going on?!

Edited January 2, 2008 by ktickner6767

[ktickner6767 0]

Hello Everyone and Happy New Year.

Well, I start this new year with yet another letter from Immigration. I sent my wife's I-751 form with over 10 different forms of evidence that we are indeed married and have been for the past 2 years to the Texas address on the form. It was received and everything seemed to be going as planned. Well, around the last week of December 2007 I have received a new letter from the California office requesting the exact same information. This will be the third time I have gathered, prepared and sent evidence to immigration that we are indeed married and requesting lifting of conditions. What is going on?!

By the way... we did receive her 1 year extension letter at the end of November. So, can you see my confusion? Why would we receive a letter from the California service center when we live in Florida and the form clearly states that Texas is our service center. She also had her Biometric appointment for lifting of conditions. So, everything seemed to be running smoothly and now this confusing letter from California! We have been at this for going on 4 years and now that we are approaching the end of our journey we are experiencing problems. Any advice?

Edited January 2, 2008 by ktickner6767

[Cassie 8]

Because since June 30, 2007, all Texas I-751 petitions have been transferred to California.

Methinks you will have to send in your evidence one more time to California, and you'll see your card fairly soon.

[ktickner6767 0]

Because since June 30, 2007, all Texas I-751 petitions have been transferred to California.

Methinks you will have to send in your evidence one more time to California, and you'll see your card fairly soon.

Even though the up to date, 2007 form clearly stated that if I live in Florida I was to send the form and the $400. + dollars to Texas? Do I have to send the money again along with the form, articles of evidence and letters from family and friends attesting to our marriage for the past 2 years???? This is extremely frustrating.

[Cassie 8]

Because since June 30, 2007, all Texas I-751 petitions have been transferred to California.

Methinks you will have to send in your evidence one more time to California, and you'll see your card fairly soon.

Even though the up to date, 2007 form clearly stated that if I live in Florida I was to send the form and the $400. + dollars to Texas? Do I have to send the money again along with the form, articles of evidence and letters from family and friends attesting to our marriage for the past 2 years???? This is extremely frustrating.

yes, your petition is being forwarded to California, even though the form says to send it to Texas. Those of us who filed before June 30th would love to be in your position!

If you received the extension letter already, then this letter from California is a request for further evidence, not a request for another complete set of papers and fee. What exactly is the letter from California asking for?

[Spiderette 0]

First: calm down.

Second: Re-read your notice... by the section where it requests the information, does the paragraph say: "if you have not already done so..."

Now if the letter you received is a Request for Evidence... well, then you need to send in additional evidence along with the RFE notice.

As Cassie says, your whole application has been Forwarded to the California Service Center and there is no reason to resubmit the application or payment.

[ktickner6767 0]

First: calm down.

Second: Re-read your notice... by the section where it requests the information, does the paragraph say: "if you have not already done so..."

Now if the letter you received is a Request for Evidence... well, then you need to send in additional evidence along with the RFE notice.

As Cassie says, your whole application has been Forwarded to the California Service Center and there is no reason to resubmit the application or payment.

Okay guys, I will try and calm down but, I'm sure you can understand my extreme frustration with the current situation.

The first letter is blue and in the upper right hand corner is titled: I-797E, Notice of Action. Below my wife's name and our home address it states:

RETURN THIS NOTICE ON TOP OF THE REQUESTED INFORMATION LISTED ON THE ATTACHED SHEET.

Note: You are given until MARCH 4TH, 2008 in which to submit the requested information to the address at the bottom of this notice.

Pursuant to 8 C.F.R. 103.2 b (11) failure to submit (ALL) evidence requested AT ONE TIME may result in the DENIAL of your application.

On the Attached letter which is white and states:

REQUEST FOR EVIDENCE - I-751

IDENTITY DOCUMENT: Please submit a photocopy of the Department of Motor Vehicle issued driver's license and/or identity card for each party to the qualifying marriage.

AND

RESIDENCE: In order to establish eligibility for removal of your conditional status, you must submit evidence of your communal residence for the past two years. Such evidence may include but is not limited to the following:

Copies of rental lease(s) or rental agreement(s) showing joint tenancy at a common residence signed by you, your spouse and the owner(s) of the property (or the property manager).

Copies of utility bills such as telephone, gas, electric, water, cable etc. or other statements issued in both your name indicating your residential address.

If applicable, submit copies of military Basis Allowance for Quarters (BAQ) form for housing and/or DD Form 1172 for dependent military dependent cards.

Any other documentation which show that the marriage was not entered into in order to evade the Immigration Laws of the United States.

Now I submitted all of this information and then some back in August of 07' We already submitted both our driver's licenses. It was a stack of evidence and inch thick!

Do you guys think there is a problem because my wife's name is not on the mortgage to the house or our utility bills? I bought our home over 10 years before I met my wife.

And it appears to me that they are indeed asking for ANOTHER I-751 form. (steam coming out of both ears).

[Cassie 8]

First: calm down.

Second: Re-read your notice... by the section where it requests the information, does the paragraph say: "if you have not already done so..."

Now if the letter you received is a Request for Evidence... well, then you need to send in additional evidence along with the RFE notice.

As Cassie says, your whole application has been Forwarded to the California Service Center and there is no reason to resubmit the application or payment.

Okay guys, I will try and calm down but, I'm sure you can understand my extreme frustration with the current situation.

The first letter is blue and in the upper right hand corner is titled: I-797E, Notice of Action. Below my wife's name and our home address it states:

RETURN THIS NOTICE ON TOP OF THE REQUESTED INFORMATION LISTED ON THE ATTACHED SHEET.

Note: You are given until MARCH 4TH, 2008 in which to submit the requested information to the address at the bottom of this notice.

Pursuant to 8 C.F.R. 103.2 b (11) failure to submit (ALL) evidence requested AT ONE TIME may result in the DENIAL of your application.

On the Attached letter which is white and states:

REQUEST FOR EVIDENCE - I-751

IDENTITY DOCUMENT: Please submit a photocopy of the Department of Motor Vehicle issued driver's license and/or identity card for each party to the qualifying marriage.

AND

RESIDENCE: In order to establish eligibility for removal of your conditional status, you must submit evidence of your communal residence for the past two years. Such evidence may include but is not limited to the following:

Copies of rental lease(s) or rental agreement(s) showing joint tenancy at a common residence signed by you, your spouse and the owner(s) of the property (or the property manager).

Copies of utility bills such as telephone, gas, electric, water, cable etc. or other statements issued in both your name indicating your residential address.

If applicable, submit copies of military Basis Allowance for Quarters (BAQ) form for housing and/or DD Form 1172 for dependent military dependent cards.

Any other documentation which show that the marriage was not entered into in order to evade the Immigration Laws of the United States.

Now I submitted all of this information and then some back in August of 07' We already submitted both our driver's licenses. It was a stack of evidence and inch thick!

Do you guys think there is a problem because my wife's name is not on the mortgage to the house or our utility bills? I bought our home over 10 years before I met my wife.

And it appears to me that they are indeed asking for ANOTHER I-751 form. (steam coming out of both ears).

No, they are not asking for yet another I-751 form, they are asking for further evidence in relation to the I-751 that you previously submitted.

Personally, for the identification section I would send in the photocopies of your driver's licenses (front and back), as well as a copy (front and back) of your wife's green card.

They are definitely looking for evidence of shared domicile (see bolded sentence above). Whatever you sent in beforehand did not convince them that you live at the same residence, so you now have to convince them that you do. Since she is not listed on the mortgage (or deed, I assume) or utility bills, you do have time to add her to these things and get a copy indicating such.

Other things to include:

--definitely highlight the address on your driver's licenses to show you live at the same address, and include any other things that do the same -- library cards are good for this as well.

--joint tax returns are helpful

-- notarized statements from people that can attest that you live together, you have been living at such and such address since she came to the US, etc.

--anything addressed to both of you showing the shared address -- any recent Christmas cards? insurance statements? medical bills? etc etc.

Take a good look at other evidence threads in this forum -- there are lots of great suggestions in those that may help you overcome this burden of proof. This can be done!

[ktickner6767 0]

No, they are not asking for yet another I-751 form, they are asking for further evidence in relation to the I-751 that you previously submitted.

Personally, for the identification section I would send in the photocopies of your driver's licenses (front and back), as well as a copy (front and back) of your wife's green card.

They are definitely looking for evidence of shared domicile (see bolded sentence above). Whatever you sent in beforehand did not convince them that you live at the same residence, so you now have to convince them that you do. Since she is not listed on the mortgage (or deed, I assume) or utility bills, you do have time to add her to these things and get a copy indicating such.

Other things to include:

--definitely highlight the address on your driver's licenses to show you live at the same address, and include any other things that do the same -- library cards are good for this as well.

--joint tax returns are helpful

-- notarized statements from people that can attest that you live together, you have been living at such and such address since she came to the US, etc.

--anything addressed to both of you showing the shared address -- any recent Christmas cards? insurance statements? medical bills? etc etc.

Take a good look at other evidence threads in this forum -- there are lots of great suggestions in those that may help you overcome this burden of proof. This can be done!

This is what is so perplexing to me. We already submitted these items.

1. Copies of the passports and green cards (same address) of my wife, Carmen Fragoso.

2. Three original letters written and notrarized by U.S. citizen friends and family, attesting to our relationship and marriage.

3. Copy of tax returns from 2005 and 2006 (same address)

4. Letter from my company of designation of my life insureance to Carmen Fragoso.

5. Copy of car insurance identification card. (same address)

6. Copy of the loan agreement t our car, showing joint ownership (same address)

7. Copy of our joint checking account (same address)

8. A copy of different photographs taken in the past 3 years of us together in and around the house.

So, it looks like the only thing I didn't include was:

1. Each of our driver's licenses. Front and back.

2. Copy of Pay stubs. Front and back.

3. Credit card statements

4. My wife's medical bills.

5. Copy of MY passport.

Unfortunately, our county library card does not include a printed address or name. Only a digital bar code with the members information included.

And believe me... I've gone through these forums for hours on end searching for different kinds of evidence to provide. I felt confident that I had covered all the bases fairly well the first time I did this. Man, was I fool to think that!

I'll contact all of our utility companies tomorrow morning and try and add my wife to accounts. I hope that isn't going to be a big deal and the utility companies don't give me a hard time about it. I'll keep you posted.

Thank you for your calming words everyone. I don't know what I would do without you guys or this wonderful web site. You're the best!

[Spiderette 0]

I think they're primarily looking for information showing you have lived together for the past 2 years, submit all evidence showing that you have resided together since being married.

Include paystubs, insurance cards, bills etc that are 2 years old showing you lived at the same address. I would include evidence of this for every quarter (or even every month!) for the past 2 years.

[mew5280 0]

I would be steamed as well. From what I can tell, it makes no sense. You don't know whether to a) send the same info to a new SC or B) send different info. If I were you, I would call the CS number OR make an infopass appt to answer that question. Submitting what they don't want always confuses the issue and those of us on this board who think clearly and are logical cannot begin to guess what the seemingly illogical SCs want! Good luck to you, I feel for you big time. When I think of how many times we have submitted items to show we engaged, that we are married, that we are together, that we have been together and still they want more, more, more. I want to say to them "Do you know how hard it is to be married to someone from another culture? No matter how much you love them, would I do this just as a favor to get someone into our country? ABSOLUTELY NO WAY. hehe

[ktickner6767 0]

I would be steamed as well. From what I can tell, it makes no sense. You don't know whether to a) send the same info to a new SC or B) send different info. If I were you, I would call the CS number OR make an infopass appt to answer that question. Submitting what they don't want always confuses the issue and those of us on this board who think clearly and are logical cannot begin to guess what the seemingly illogical SCs want! Good luck to you, I feel for you big time. When I think of how many times we have submitted items to show we engaged, that we are married, that we are together, that we have been together and still they want more, more, more. I want to say to them "Do you know how hard it is to be married to someone from another culture? No matter how much you love them, would I do this just as a favor to get someone into our country? ABSOLUTELY NO WAY. hehe

You took the words right out of my mouth. I couldn't agree more.

We will re-submit, for a third time, all of the original documents + new Utility bills with both of of our names and her past two driver's licenses and mine. If I can find 2 years worth of pay stubs we'll include those as well but, wouldn't you think tax returns and insurance records for the past 2 years would be sufficient evidence that we have indeed been living together for the past 2 years. Finding 2 years worth of anything is difficult on its own. I have plenty of paper work with both our names and address on them. Just not two years worth of the same document! I called the electric company this morning and had my wife's name added to the account but, I don't have 2 years worth of bills with her name and mine on the same bill. This is what is scaring us. I would imagine the most concrete evidence we will have will be her past two driver's licenses. They date back to 2005 and mine dates back to 2003. What do you think?

[Spiderette 0]

Send what you have. If your marriage is legit, you shouldn't be worried. Make an infopass appointment if you like and ask exactly what they're looking for.

Also.. buy a few of those plastic filing boxes... don't throw anything away. (they say you should keep documents for 7 years) I have every piece of paper since I've been married nicely filed in hanging file folders and manila folders. (including, leases, nicor bills, credit card statements, bank statements, car loans, insurance cards etc etc etc)

We have a son who is turning 3 in February, so I will be very surprised if we are RFE'ed (did I just jinx myself??? )

But if we do receive an RFE, I will make an info pass appointment and bring in my 3 file boxes and tell them to find what the hell they're looking for.

good luck!! If your marriage is legit you will have or find the information they need (that's what I believe!!)

Just remember you're going to go through this AGAIN (for Naturalization, or to renew the 10yr GC...) so take my advice, SAVE EVERY THING.